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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Louth => Topic started by: emmsthheight on Friday 18 June 10 19:14 BST (UK)
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Hi
I've been very slowly trying to get a picture of where the Hoey branch of my family started out in Ireland.
John Joseph (or Joihn James), was born Dublin 1827 approx. He was a saddler and his father was Patrick a farmer. Most of the Hoey clan who came to Lancashire were saddlers, shoemakers, horse dealers and so on - all things leather and horses.
As I look at the group together I'm pretty sure though it's not finally proven that they came from the Castlebellingham townlands.
I've tried to Google for them, but don't seem to get many pictures of old buildings etc. Also, I'm wondering where the best access to the local RC records would be.
Are there any of these parishes with records online?
Also, does anybody have any Hoeys in the area in their family who I could swap info with?
Or have any other ideas to help pin them down?
I seem so near and yet so far!
Thank you for reading.
Best wishes
Emms
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PS :)
I also wondered whether the chapels and farms on these townlands still exist, as I know a large number of people moved away.
I know quite a lot of Hoeys went to America but don't have any links yet.
I'm going to have another look with what I've found out recently.
Emms
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The IFHF pay-website has some RC parish records for county Louth... see : www.irish-roots.ie
I'm not sure what parish Castlebellingham is in but their list of sources does mentioned Kilsaran (see http://irish-roots.ie/louth.asp)
see the Irish Times ancestor website for an map County Louth RC Parishes (http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/browse/counties/rcmaps/louthrc.htm) (click on the parishes for details of dates available)
Most of these RC records are available in the National library in Dublin.
Shane
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just noticed the year you mentioned - 1827... quite a number of the RC records for rural areas do not begin until 1830s or later and very few RC parishes will have records before 1800,
Shane
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Hi Shane
Thank you again!
Just did a quick search on the library link you gave me and the detailed register dates.
I see what you mean about the dates, but looking at that I might just be in with a chance. I have seen quite a number from Kilsaran but I need to see the others really, son with no way of getting there, I'm going to go into registering on that site and take it from there.
Thank you very much!
Best wishes
Emms
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Hi Shane
Thank you again.
Not had much time to look at this site, but the map's brilliant. Looks like Kilsarran Parish for Castlebellingham area is right next to Ardee Parish which I have two links to now.
Thank you again.
I will put the Kilsarran entries I already have, with the Ardee entries.
Emms :)
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While at the above church I took pictures of the Hoey family graves, very happy to scan pictures to anyone who wants them
Grave 1
Of your charity pray for the souls of
Thomas HOEY
Died 10th January 1877 aged 75 years
Patrick John HOEY
Died 18th September 1877 aged 77 years
Eliza, wife of Patrick John HOEY
Died 18th Sept 1883? aged 74 years
Also their son
John HOEY
Died 23rd May 1933 aged 84 years
(Have Photo)
Grave 2
Sacred heart of Jesus, Have mercy on the soul of
Edward HOEY, Willamstown
Died 2nd Dec 1946 aged 22 years
Mary HOEY
Died 16th May 1979 aged 19 years
(Have Photo)
Grave 3
Sacred to the memory of
James HOEY, Willamstown
Who departed this life of 11th May 1882 aged 76 years
Also his daughter Rose
In religion, Sister Mary of St Johanna
Who died on 31st January 1879 aged 18 years
And was interred in the Convent General of Good Shepherd's, Angers France
And his daughter in Law Annie
Who died February 21st 1918 aged 54 years
And her husband James
Died 7th July 1934
And their sons
George 14th August 1944
Their daughter Agnes
Died March 5th 1954
James, Died 25th March 1964
And his wife Catherine Died 20th July 1967
Their son George, Died 21st April 2002 aged 80 years.
(have photo)
Grave 4
Pray for the souls of Matthew HOEY
Lr Kisaran
Died 6 Oct 1919
His wife Margaret
Died 13 Dec 1918
Their son Patrick
Died 28 Feb 1941
Their daughter Sister Pauline
Died at Essex 25 Nov 1940
Bridget HOEY
Died 11th July 1954
Kathleen HOEY
Wife of Patrick, Died 20 April 1977
(have photo)
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Hi
Thank you very much! What a wonderful gesture!
I'm going to go through all the dates and names - nearly all family names but therewere cousins with the same names.
Even if they're not the exact people I'd love to see any of the photo's if that's all right with you!
I'll send you a pm as well.
Thank you so much.
Best wishes
Emms
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Hello,
I have been promising to start the family tree for years now and I feel that, I may lose my most helpful sources, through death if I don't get started soon.
I am also tracing the Hoey family in Louth.
I came accross the Hoey Gravestones in Swords and I recognise some of them.
My Granfather whose gravestone features in the above mentioned gravestones died before I was born, but I do know that his family (he wasn't born then, although my Great Grandmother might have been pregnant with him) was in Castlebellingham for the 1901 census.
I would be interested in sharing any Hoey information to help each other.
If you need any more information on the Swords Gravestones, I can help as I know some of them.
Kind Regards
Shayfam
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A very useful text which I have used for Mid-Louth is the
History of Kilsaran and Union parish of Louth, by Rev J.B.Leslie.
http://www.archive.org/stream/historyofkilsara00lesl/historyofkilsara00lesl_djvu.txt
http://www.archive.org/details/historyofkilsara00lesl
(The PDF file is worth the download if you have a wider interest in mid-Louth genealogy)
I find the following entries for Hoey's in Kilsaran parish:
Marriage record:
1822 June 6 — Hoey, Peter, to Anne Coleman.
Burial record :
[1822d.Au.30 — Hoey, Bryan, 83 ; see Tombstone Inscriptions.]
@ Kilsaran graveyard:
Hoey.— The Body of Bryan Hoey, wdtl. August 30th, 1822, a. 83 y.
is deposited underneath. Tsej^as a tribute of respect to his m. by his
youngest son, Peter H. [Headstone falling forward].
also :
Hand. — Tseb. John Hand im. his F. James H., Greenmount, wdtl.
on the third day of January a.d. 1754, a. 56 y. Also his W. Janet H.
(alias Hoey), wdtl. on the 15th day of Feb a.d. 1792, a. 95 y.
Hoey. — Eb. Edward Hoey, CB., im. his son James H., wdtl. 19th Sep.,
1814, a. 28 y. Also his dau. Margaret H. wdtl. 21st March, 1882, a. 80
y. Also abn. Edward H. and his bel. W. whose R. are interred here.
Hoey.— SM. James Hoey, Williamstown, wdtl. 11th May, 1882, a.
76 y. Also his dau. Rose (in religion Sister Mary of St. Johanna), wd.
on the 31st Jan., 1879, a. 18 y., and was interred in the Convent General
of Good Shepherd's, Angers, France.
Hoey. — [On pedestal] Erected by John Hoey and Charles D. King
a.d. 1880.
[On the four sides of Monument] —
(1.) OPS. Thomas Hoey, of the Lynns, died 6th Jany., 1839, a. 78 y. ;
his W. Margaret 14th March, 1854, a. 88. Their sons :— John, a. 20 ;
Patrick 21st Septr., 1851. Anne H. June, 1855. Her husband Thomas,
of CB., August, 1858. Anne H., of the Lynns, 29th Nov., 1878, a. 75.
(2.) OPS. Thomas H., d. 10th Janv., 1877, a. 75 y. Patrick John
H., 13th Septr., 1877, a. 77 y. Eliza, * wife of Patrick John H. 18th
Septr., 1900, a. 74 y.
(3.) OPS. John Hoey, of the Lynns, d. 2nd April, 1831, a. 67 y. His
wife Anne 28th May, 1849, a. 73 ; Their dau. Bridget 3rd Oct., 1828, a. 24.
Their son James 17th Feb. 1828, a. 19 ; Judith H. 1st Oct, 1837, a. 20.
{Key to above abbreviations:
Hlb.=Here lieth (or lies) the Body of.
Sm.=Sacred to the memory of ; Tm.=To the memory of ; Im.=In
memory of.
Eb.=Erected by.
Tseb.=This stone was erected by.
Tteb.=This tomb was erected by.
Tineb.=This monument was erected by.
PS. or OPS.=Pray for, or of your charity Pray for the soul of.
Wd.=Who died.
Wdtl.=Who departed this life.
A.=aged ; y.=years ; F.=Father ; M.=Mother; B. or Bs.= Brother
or Brothers ; S. or Ss.^Sister or Sisters ; H.=husband ; W.=Wife ;
D.=Daughter ; bel.=beloved ; abn.=the above named ; R.=the remains
of ; CB.=Castlebellingham.
}
There is a web page dedicated to the Hoy family of PA (USA) who have roots in Newragh and Darver parish , in particular. This is a good 10km or more North and West of Kilsaran. They were originally Hoeys who shortened the name, I assume, when naturalising in the USA.
--Ian
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Thank you. This looks really interesting. I'm going to have a good look with all the stuff I've got. I've actually seen that site before but I had no idea where the placeswere. Your local knowledge is invaluable.
Thank you very much!
Best wishes
Emms
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:D :)Do you have a Joseph Holland who married a Rose Hoey on september 29th 1890?
Alphonsus123.
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Hi
I'm not actually sure.
I'm still looking at this group but I'm getting more and more sure that my Hoey family originate in this area and came via Dublin.
I've recrently discovered that two of my Hoeys were baptised in Duiblin after their parents were married in England where they returned afterwards.
I have came across a Holland but I'm not sure where.
I'll have a look and get back.
I'd love to swap information when I've had a look.
By the way, this is just under Waterloo because I'm on her computer.
Thank you for replying. I'm sure we'll get to the bottom of it eventually.
Did your family stay in Ireland?
Best wishes
Emms
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:) Hello Emms.
My family lived in the Dundalk area before moving to England in the early 1950's. I have discovered that Joseph Holland and Rose Hoey were my great grandparents on my mothers side. I have a Photocopy of the marriage certificate of Joseph Holland and Rose hoey dated September 29th 1890 listing Joseph Holland as a postman who resided at Blackrock, whose fathers name was Nicholas Holland Deceased who was listed as a farmer. Rose Hoey was listed as being a resident from Mullaghearafferty, and whose father was listed as being a James Hoey deceased, he was listed as being a farmer.
Hope this helps, even if it does not help it is still good to talk.
Take care and good luck.
Alphonsus Gerard Matthews.
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For what it is worth ...
My wife's Great Grandparents were Francis Mathews and Mary Hoey.
Mary was born in Scotland, with a father in the British Army.
There was a lot of movement between Ireland and Scotland in the mid to late 18thC.
Mary seems to have also had a connection with Bessbrook (just outside Newry), and it may be that a sister married there.
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In have access to Ancestry.com and if anybody on this tread has access, there is quite a lot on Hoey, Louth, including photo's.
Jack
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Hi Alphonsus, DrJeff, Jack
Thank you for all your replies. I apologise, I only just got properly back on line, so I haven't replied to any of you.
Thank you for all your posts.
I'll have a proper look and get back to you all but it's all interesting stuff if it;s on the Hoey's.
Thank you again.
Best wishes
Emms
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HI Jack
I'm not sure about this family but a Philips family closely linked top my Hoeys travelled from Scotland.
Best wishes
Emms
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Hi Alphonsus
Most of my Hoeys seem to have moved on to Dublin. I haven't found Patrick, a farmer, father of John yet. (John b 1827 approx).
I think Patrick's brother may have been a William who went to Manchester England and was supposedly born Louth. Some of his family went to America. (Found on Ellis Island ship's manifest with address Muilberry St Manchester.)
Good hunting.
Emms :) :) :)
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Some 'Hoey's' went from Termonfeckin to St.Helens, Lancashire (now Merseyside) around 1870.
My own family were 'Harmon' from Termonfeckin and they seem to have had close connections with the 'Hoey's' - they were very close neighbours on Census records. After settling in St.Helens one of the Harmon girls married one of the Hoey boys.
I have more name details if anybody is interested.
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Hi
I came across some Hoey headstones in Dromin old graveyard today
tried to load them up, must be too big. Will crop and resize and get them up soon
Noel
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Hope these go up
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Another try
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James Hoey 1880
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Hi Noel
Thank you very much!
All the Christian names are our Hoey family names - most likely related though mostly later than the ones who came to England.
Will scrutinise and have a good think - thoiugh I don't have all my info with me at the moment.
Thank you again!
Best wishes
Emms
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hi my family all came to the uk durham from castlebellingham. There are so many brothers! mine come from the patrick 1833 1877 and his son george are we the same line?
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Hi
Thank you very much! This is quite exciting. I've known about the Durham brothers for quite a long time. However I wasn't too sure about where my own Hoeys came from, nor did I know where the Durham brothers came from.
I wondered about the connection as there were a limited number of Hoeys of that generation in the UK.
However I am now sure I do have Kilsaran / Castlebellingham connections though I am working it out exactly.
Best wishes
Emms :)
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PS
As you have evidence that your brothers are also from there. it looks as if there may well be a connection.
Emms :)
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PS This also adds credance to my theory that my John may be the brother of your ancestor or failing that, a cousin.
I have a William who I believe is John's uncvle in Salford from Castlebellingham area and John;s witness at his martriage was also a John Hoey I;m guessing a cousin.
My line came through Dublin where our John was born.
There are loads of Dublin entries on line and I've found entries for all my Salford Hoeys, there, in between the England entries.
Worth a look for you?
Best wishes
Emms
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Hi Emms
I seem to remember you telling me a long time ago that you had Donohoe/Donoghue that was someway related to your Hoey.
Came across this today, which you might find of intrest.
Hoey and O'Donoghue related and the later from Collon Co Louth.
http://www.slanehistoricalsociety.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=49&Itemid=55
Regards
FS2011
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Hi, I have been reading this thread with great interest. I have been looking for Daniel Hoey born about 1800, father to Edward Hoey born in Edmonton London in 1825.
Daniel was in the Royal Navy and I might be able to get a birth place from these records If I go to Kew.
However I wondered if anyone is able to check their records to see if they could find out if they have a Daniel Hoey, Louth seems to be a hotbed for this family, and Ireland would likely be the birth place. Regards Peter.
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Hi Peter
Daniel is a name I've often seen around my Hoeys but not one I've seen in the proven direct lines.
You said your Daniel was in the Royal Navy. Have you tried looking on line for the records? You may not have to wait until you can visit Kew.
I can't remember the details and the years covered, but there are various military records on Ancestry, findmypast and also covered by the uk National Archives catalogoe. If the record isn't online from the National Archives you can usual request an estimate and then a copy.
We do have an odd Edward in the cousins who went to London selling potatoes - I think he was a traveller. He went from Lancashire England, but later than your date - mid 19C.
Good luck with the search!
Best wishes
Emms :)
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PS Do you have any more details for your family which might help us narrow them down or find links?
Emms :)
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Hi FS 2011
I'm sorry I missed your last post on this thread. It came when I wasn't online much and it was the end of the last page. I just saw it when I dropped further down the reply page to reply to Peter.
I'm going to have a look at it and another look at the photo's as they look fascinating and things got glossed over a bit here, late last year.
Thank you and best wishes
Emms :)
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Hi Noel
Just having a closer look at the stones.
Where is Dromin Old Graveyard please?
Best wishes
Emms
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Hi all
I've just been reading it all aain as I didn't really have chance at the time to take it in. This is just a thank you to everyone because nearly all that people have written is of interest even though I'm getting close but still at the narrowing down stage.
I'm sure all your comments will help in that process and I will get back to you all, but it may be a while before I can look at everything as most of my notes are about fifty miles away and will be for a while.
Having said that everything you've given me will keep me out of mischief for a while!!! ;) ;) ;) :)
Emms
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Hi FS2011
Just going through those Monumental inscriptions. Another interesting set of data. there look like being other links in Meath.
I must say I still find the Irish geography very confusing which doesn't help finding the right record!
Best wishes
Emms
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Hi,
I have looked on Ancestry, and this is how I got to find out about Daniels son Edward. Edward as stated was born in Edmonton in 1825 got married in Brighton in 1848. I have found a number of Hoeys in Sussex, but cannot find a connection. Frances Hoey born Lewes in 1795, could be a brother to Daniel?
Edward was a coastguard and this is how I got back to the RN connection, via Martin who researches coastguards and told me I would need to go to Kew, and will get round to it at some time.
I know a lot about Edward, as I say, but Daniel Hoey is proving difficult, I have got his pension records but they do not tell me his birth place only that he was 24 when he joined his first ship HMS Ramillies on 1 Apr 1824 and a record of the ships he served on and that he left the navy in on 9 Dec 1843, nothing found after this?
I don't subscribe to Find my Past, but guess I might get something with the Daily Mail offer!
Kind regards Peter
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Hi Peter
Thank you for all the extra info!
Looks as if 1841 might be iteresting but I'll double check it's not among your other info.
What'ss the Daily Mail offer? I don't have FindMyPast either!
Emms
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PS
All the Hoeys I've found down south apart from my potato hawker have been linked to the forces.
I'm still wondering if some may still be linked to mine as the forces was a good job when they were struggling. Also they worked with horses and leather and it looks as if many may have been innvolved with the army in their work already.
Emms
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Hi Emms,
The Daily Mail offer is that if you buy so many and collect the tokens you can get free access for FindMyPast.
Kind regards Peter
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Hi Peter
Thank you!
I'll investigate and see if I'm too late!
Best wishes
Emms :)
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Hi All,
I found a great uncle John Daniel Hoey in the records for Masters and Mates Certificates. But also noted a Thomas Hoey born 25 Oct 1826 at Louth, Louth, certificate dated 7 Jan 1853, that might be of interest to somebody.
Regards Peter