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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Shropshire => Topic started by: sharmar on Wednesday 23 June 10 21:26 BST (UK)
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Does anyone know where I could purchase a copy of the parish records for Madeley/Madeley Wood, Shropshire? I can't seem to find these records on any of the current CD/fisches available.
Thanks for your help
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I can't think of any fiche or CD's except for the SFHS marriage and burial index CD's but I'm not sure whether Madeley is covered by them. You can order films of Madeley parish records from the LDS libraries at the cost of £7.50 for 3 months per film. You will need the film number to order (library catalogue on Family Search).
Judy
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What are you looking for ???
Have you looked at the IGI Pilot Search site or FreeReg yet ???
Some information here
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/SAL/#ChurchRecords
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Access to the PRs for Shropshire is pretty poor. Only a small number have been transcribed and those were done in about 1913.
I think the only option to get them on demand is to ask the LDS or Shropshire Archives if you can buy fiche. I don't know if either will oblige in that though.
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Thank you all for the info - I'm after christening records for the Madeley parish between 1886 and 1920 for children christened of parents named James and Margaret Harris particulary a boy that we know as Rupert that my have been christened as something else (these parents had a habit of doing this) I am unable to find a birth register under the name we know him as.
The theory is if I can find someone I don't all ready know about from these parents he maybe be the one I'm looking for so therfore I can research him later on in his life to see if he is the one I want.
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Do you know any of the childrens names as they might be on the IGI, if there is a batch number we may find some siblings. :-\
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Patrish
Yes I do, ready!
Annie known as Nancy born 1888 on 1891 1901 & 1911 census
John Edwin born 1890 on 1891 census left home before 1901
Mary Ann born 1892 on 1901 & 1911 census
James born 1893 on 1901 & 1911 census
Arthur born 1895 on 1901 & 1911 census
William Henry born 1896 on 1901 & 1911 census
Albert born 1897 on 1901 & 1911 census
Edith May known as May born 1899 on 1901 & 1911 census
Walter George born 1900 on 1901 & 1911 census
Sydney Percy born 1902 on 1911 census
Norman born 1906 on 1911 census
Blanche Violet known as Violet born 1909? on 1911 census
Florence born 1910 on 1911 census
Catherine born 1911 on 1911 census
Hilda born 1912 although actually daughter Marys child died 1912 I have certificates
Francis Harold born 1913 died 1913 I have certficates
16 children I have certificates for all and documentation that states there were 22 children. The only other name I know for certain is Rupert but I can't find any reference to him. There are at least another 5 children possible a Joseph and a Harold but not sure of these. So you understand why I need to see the parish registars for any more christened that have parents James and Margaret Harris, they were married in 1886 and she was rumoured to have been expecting and looking at the dates there is room for more!
James died in 1928 so I am assuming the list stops before then!!!!!!!
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There were at least two generations of James Harris in Madeley, both butchers (in 1829 and 1835 Pigots). Other forums would suggest Margaret is Margaret Buckley.
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Yes Margaret is Buckley but the James are different ones - its a long story but they are from a different branch of the family.
Basically James the butcher is my gt gt grandfather on my paternal grandmothers side and the James I'm particulary interested in is my gt grandfather on my paternal grandfathers side - yes my fathers parents were both Harris' and related!
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The only Christening I can find is Arthur, 09 May 1894, Madeley, Shropshire.
I looked at FreeBMD and there are several Births and Deaths of Harris children under 2 that could be born and died between 1886 and 1891 census and 1901 and 1911 census.
Family Trees do not seem to have the 1891 Census.
Do you?
They are in Stoke upon Trent, Staffordshire.
RG12/2177/89/33
Trish :)
EDIT, Was just about to post when other replies came in .
Was yours a Coal Miner or Butcher?
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James Harris in Madeley the coal miner is the father of all these kids, Sydney being my paternal grandfather. James Harris the butcher in Ironbridge (amongst other occupations such as grocer) is my paternal grandmothers grandfather. phew! it does get to me sometimes!
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I can see why ;D
Suggest you just work through FreeBMD eliminating possible children that could have been born between others and died between Censuses.
Sorry not much help!
Trish :)
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Tried that! Its costing me a small fortune sending for birth certificates only to find they are children of james' brothers or cousins! It is Rupert I'm interested in though as my fathers says his mother talked about him a few times and there is a story linked to him as an adult so I know he didn't die in childhood. I am assuming he was born before 1911 as he is not on that census and there are no children registered with mothers maiden name as Buckley that I can't account for.
I have been searching for this chap a fair few years now with no luck, I'm getting fustrated now!!!
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When you send for a cert instead of paying £7 (or whatever it is now) you can pay £10 (or whatever) for them to search by the criteria you give - in your case say mother's name is Margaret. I did that when I had a possible 20 John Taylors - they said they would search 10 entries so I paid £10 and got luckly with one of the first ten.
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How frustrating for you Sharmar.
Bristols idea is an excellent one re Certs.
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Does anyone know where I could purchase a copy of the parish records for Madeley/Madeley Wood, Shropshire? I can't seem to find these records on any of the current CD/fisches available.
Thanks for your help
Hi, just happened along your message which I find interesting? My mother was born out of wedlock in 1921 in Iron-bridge but nothing is known of her father except that they attached the name Harris to her christian name which was a common occurence when the parents were expected to marry. Unfotunately they never did and my grandmother went on to marry someone else years later. I always assumed that my mothers father died after she was conceived, could this be the missing link, was he air brushed out because of this incident?
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clevertrevor, e-mail me your info and I will see if we have any matches or if there is any stories in my family that matches what you know.
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Did either your Hoof or Underwood's marry into the Pritchard family of the Ketley s/ Wellington area?
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Hi Andrew, yes I have a Sarah Pritchard nee Garbett (1843-1897) marrying Charles Hoof (1840-1917) her second marriage bringing with her 5 children with the two youngest using the Hoof surname, so I believe. Charles is my grt grt grt grandfather. As for the Underwoods I'm not sure, give me some names and I will check.
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As a new member, not quite sure what l am doing yet but my husband's great-grandparents were Jonas Underwood and wife Sarah from Dawley-Madeley; other names in that family are Tonks (or Tunks), Shepherd and Downie.
SarahU.
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As a new member, not quite sure what l am doing yet but my husband's great-grandparents were Jonas Underwood and wife Sarah from Dawley-Madeley; other names in that family are Tonks (or Tunks), Shepherd and Downie.
SarahU.
Hi Sarah, would Jonas' parents be William Underwood (1820-1882) and Ann Tunks (1824-?) ? if so I descend from Williams brother Thomas (1819-1896) he is my 3rd great grandfather.
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Sharmar, there would appear to be a connection, though l have not done any research prior to the marriage of William and Ann then the birth of Jonas. Jonas moved to Scotland, shows up on the 1891 census for Holytown Lanarkshire as a coal miner (no sign of family), 1901 census he is still a miner, 40 years old with wife Sarah Ann (Shepherd), children Sarah Ann 16, Rose Ann 15, Blanche 11 - all born in England then Jonas 9, Mary 5 and Richard William 2 (my husband's grandfather),all born in Lanarkshire. My records indicate they married in 1888 in Dawley and Sarah's previous married name was Reynolds so l doubt the older children were Underwoods. My husband's uncle was known as Jack and never knew until he died that he was also a Jonas!
SarahU
p.s. note of interest, this male line of Underwoods has now died out. Uncle Jack had no children, my husband and l had no sons, my husband's brother had one son but parents divorced and boy legally took the step-father's name. However, my one daughter kept the Underwood name professionally.
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Hi Sarah, here's some info I have so far
Your Williams siblings are:-
Thomas (1819-24 April 1896) married Rachel Steventon (my line)
John (1816-1890) married Eliza Williams
Elizabeth (1826-1862) married James Whordley
Richard (1828-?) married Elizabeth Simmons
Their parents are John Underwood (1786-1847) & Mary Pitchford (1787-1865)
John's sibling was Thomas (1781-?) married Jane
Their grandparents are Charles Underwood (1741-?) married Mary Teece (1746-?)
All born in villages in Shropshire
Williams siblings had loads of children each far to many to list but from the above info it should be easy for you to find although it appears that the name has also disappeared from this area.
The underwood's are still a work in progress for me Sarah so please excuse the question marks ::)
Sharon
PS The little row of houses (6) that John (1786-1847) was born in, as was your William and his siblings, stayed a family home for the Underwoods until my great great grand mother was born and she married into the Woodvine family (who lived in the same row) and they stayed in the same house until the late sixties when the row was demolished so thats 5 generations of history for me! The link below shows you a picture of the actual row of houses.
http://www.walktelfordheritage.co.uk/site.asp?SiteRef=49
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Have you come across any Pritchard's in your Hoof and Deakin lines on your tree?
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Yes Andrew, Pritchards, Hoofs and Deakins.
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I have a Margaret Buckley born 1868 madeley wood in my family looks to have been a sister to my gg grandmother.
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Margaret Buckley was my Great Grandmother, please see start of this thread for more details
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have you tried Shropshire family history society they have a lot of records available xx
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Did you ever find your Rupert Harris??
There was one born in the 2nd quarter of 1898 and registered in Stourbridge (which covered parts of Shropshire at that time). GRO Volume is 6c, page 157.
Jan
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Thanks Jan, I will look into that one, surprised that one has never come up in my searches??? never mind I will let you know how I get on, thanks again
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There were to families of underwoods living on stone row Hinks haye which is now dawley and manislea by info I can remember gather both were related and at one point inlaws poyners wer also living with them hope this is of help xx