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Hi
Looking for information on Swords, Kinsella and Burke, all of Mounthoward, Monamolin, Gorey.
Two Swords brothers married two Kinsella sisters.
Michael Swords married Mary Kinsella in 1832.
Their daughter (Peggy) Margaret married Patrick Burke in 1879.
Patrick Swords married Catherine Kinsella in 1845.
Mogue
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Hi Mogue
I have a birth certificate from 1877 for Annastatia Swords whose father was James Swords of Mount Howard. Mother was Mary Swords (nee Lacey).
There is a possible connection with my own tree. My grandfather, Thomas Bell, married Annastasia Swords in Ballyoughter in April 1913. On Annastasia's death certificate in 1935, her age was given as 48 and her father was recorded as James Swords Her mother's maiden name was given as Kinsella. Consequently I'm not sure if the birth certificate I have is the right one. There is no other possible birth in County Wexford in 1887 that fits. Either my grandfather didn't know the correct details when he registered the death or there is some other explanation.
Either way you are more than welcome to a copy of the certificate if you PM me with your email address.
Andrew
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Hi Andrew,
Thank you for your reply.
It does seem a bit confusing. James Swords and Mary Lacey had a daughter Annastasia baptised 13.11.1878.
James Swords mother would have been Kinsella. When asked who was the Father, who was the Mother, maybe he took it to be the Fathers Mother?
I do not have a cert for the wedding of James Swords and Mary Lacey but they were married in Monamolin RC Church on 9th of January 1869 by my records.
James, I assume, must be the son of either Michael Swords & Mary Kinsella or Patrick Swords & Catherine Kinsella.
Mogue
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Hi Mogue
It's frustrating that I can't quite make the connection as there's no other Annastasia Swords that fits the bill. I don't know who James Swords' parents were as I haven't researched that line beyond Annastasia.
If you don't have a copy of her birth certitifcate you're more than welcome to have a copy of it.
Andrew
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Hi Andrew,
A mistake in my last post. Annastasia was baptised in Monamolin RC on 13th Nov. 1877.
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Hi Andrew,
Searching through my Swords file I see that a Swords family member mentions that Anastasia Swords born 13.11.1877 daughter of James Swords and Mary Lacey married Thomas Bell on 2nd of April 1913 in Ballyoughter RC.
This would seem to confirm the details. I am going on holiday in a couple of weeks, so it will probably be September before I send away for some Civil Certs from Roscommon.
I will send for a cert for the marriage of James Swords and Mary Lacey on the 9th of January 1869. I hope this marriage was registered as the marriage of Patrick Burke and Margaret Swords in Monamolin RC in1867 was not registered with Civil Registration.
Bye for now
Mogue
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Mogue
That would seem to tie it up. Any information you have on the Swords family, especially Annastasia, would be most welcome. It's interesting that she appears to have been 10 years older than the age mentioned on her death certificate in 1935 (48). It might explain however why she and my grandfather only had the two children. My Dad's half brother, Joshua Bell (born in Glasgow 1916) and half sister Maureaine (born 1919).
I have my grandfather's marriage certificate from 1913 if you would like a copy for your files.
Andrew
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Hi Andrew,
I would love a copy of any Cert. you have.
Tomorrow, Sunday 27th June, the “Pattern”, blessing of the graves, takes place in Ballyoughter Cemetery at 2pm.
I believe there are some Swords graves there. I hope to be there.
I will try to find more information on Anastasia but I think that is all I have for now.
Mogue
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Mogue
Please send me a personal message (PM) with your email address and I'll send you copies of the Swords certificates I mentioned above.
Regards
Andrew
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With regards the Burke Connection, I know that all these names are in my family who orginated from Monamolin.
I think that the Patrick Burke you are referring to is my great, great uncle. I have very scant knowledge as I live in England but my great grandfather, Thomas Burke, was born c1880. He married Catherine Murphy who became known as 'Mrs Bow wow?' and she died aged 100 in 1974. They are buried in Monamolin churchyard and I think they were known for training horses or having stables.
When I visited a while ago, I was told there are descendents still around the area: Kinsellas, Kavanaghs, Cousins feature prominently.
I have a photo (attached) of a gravestone in Monamolin churchyard which may help. My GG uncle was Patrick Burke who died on 30 March 1963 aged 81. Margaret Burke, his wife, died 27 October 1961 aged 80. They are interred with their son Michael who died 21 April 1953 aged 39. Of more interest to you is that also interred are a Kinsella family.
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Hello Marion,
Sorry for the delay in answering your post.
Thank you very much for the lovely photo of the grave of Patrick Burke who died 30th March 1963. That is the family I am researching.
The “Pattern” in Monamolin is on the 19th of June at 2pm, at which I will be meeting Patrick Ivory who I think is of the Ivory family you are researching. He has researched a lot of his Ivory family history. I will find out what I can of the family of Mary Ivory who married Patrick Burke, son of Tom the Jock.
On your Murphy side if you look in the 1901 Census for Coolroe, DED Ford you will see Tom the Jock and family living with his mother in law Maria Murphy.
In the 1911 Census you will see that Tom the Jock has moved to Cullentra, DED Killenagh, but his son Patrick Burke has stayed with his widowed Grandmother on the Farm.
In the 1911 census you will find Mary Murphy and her Grandson Patrick BOURKE age 12yrs in Coolroe DED Ford. Mary is a widow with 6 children still living of 8 born alive. I am told that she had triplets.
Tom the Jock’s wife was one, another daughter married a Carr, another married “Big Mick” Burke of Mounthoward, I have not yet connected this Mick Burke to our Burke line. Another daughter married a Timmons. Another daughter may have married a Brennan.
I think the families of Big Mick Burke, Timmons and Brennan are buried in Ballyoughter Cemetery.
The two sisters in their 70’s Mrs Mick Burke and Mrs Timmons who lived beside each other in adjoining houses in Ballycanew walked the 7 miles or so to visit their sister Mrs Tom the Jock near Kilmuckridge.
Back to our Burke line:
Tom the Jock Burke was on of 8 children born to Patrick Burke and Margaret Swords. You will find Patrick Burke 50yrs and Margaret Burke (nee Swords) 52yrs on sheet 6 in Mounthoward Lower DED Monamolin.
This house at sheet 6 is the home place of Margaret Swords, she was born there. Margaret’s father Michael Swords, originally from Co. Carlow married into this house, when he married Mary Kinsella in 1832. It belonged to Kinsella’s of the Stream.
The 8 known children of Patrick Burke and Margaret Swords are:
Elizabeth
Mary
Thomas born 8th March 1872
Michael
Charles
Patrick born 8th Nov. 1879
Margaret
John
I have the marriages of 5 siblings. Of the other 3 John (Jack) went to Dublin, I have no other information about him. I do not know what happened to Elizabeth and Charles.
I hope Marion that some of the information above is new to you.
I would love to have any information you have to help sort out the rest of the family from all the other Burke families in the area.
As well as graves of Tom the Jock and Patrick Burke in Monamolin Graveyard, another brother Michael is buried there. I will try to attach the photo.
Regards
Mogue.
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Hi Mogue.
Thanks for this info. Just stumbled on it as when I signed on here it was to a junk mail only e-mail account! How wrong I was to do that. Your information is really interesting. I will have a look at the Murphy side. All Monamolin must be related so when people moved to England in the 1940s onwards, it must have been a great relief to the gene pool!
Wow! Tom the Jock one of 8? I had only heard of his brother Thomas. So my grandfather stayed with his widowed granny? My own father (also called Patrick) had to do the same when his Mum (Mary Ivory) died. All these reoccurring patterns...
I've spoken to Paddy Ivory (lovely chap!!) in the past. Even though Ivory must be a pretty uncommon name, it doesn't appear that we have any direct connection. How odd is that?
I'll have to encode my e-mail address. It's * I would love to have more information on the Swords family. What a great name.
Many thanks.
Marion :D
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Swords, who may not be related, but general info.
1881England/Wales census;
Michael Swords; (Wexford) Head, 28, Stoker (Bleaches)
Ellen; wife, 27 (Castlegallard Wexford)
Litle Bolton Lancashire
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Kate Swords; 25, servant (Wexford)
Stourton Villas, Ilkley York
(Joseph Smith; Head)
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Inmates Wexford Prison; 1859
Peter Swords; 21, Killulg Wexford
Assault;
For Trial
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Tithe Defaulter 1831;
Thomas Swords; farmer,
Place; Garryhaslin
Parish; Moyacomb
Union of Parishes; Clonegal or Moyacomb
Barony; Scarawash
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Persons who lodged applications with the Estate Commissioners of Evicted Tenants;
Peter Swords; Macmine Enniscorthy
Present occupier; L. Breen Yearly tenant.
Circumstances of applicant; 3 in family.
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Landed Estates & Court Rentals;
Michael Swords; 1853, Kiltealy; Yearly tenant, determinable each year.
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Griffiths Valuation of Ireland;
Bridget Swords; 1853, Kiltealy Templeshambo
Patrick Swords; 1853 Mobeg Templeshambo
Peter Swords; 1853 Rathgaroge Ballyanne
Michael Swords; 1853 Mounthoward Lower, Monamolin
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Jack
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Hi Mogue
I'm just tying up some loose ends. Not sure if you ever obtained any further information on the Swords family. if not just to let you know that I've just sent for the marriage certificate of James Swords and Mary Lacey from 1869. Also their death certificates from 1915 and 1910 respectively.
If you would like copies please let me know via PM
Andrew
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I have been researching the Kinsley (Kinsella) families who settled in an area referred to as The Irish Settlement in northeastern Pennsylvania. I think I have some information that may be connected to the individuals you seek. I have not personally done the research on the Swords, but I do have extensive information on the Kinsella (Kinsley) families especially after they emigrated to the United States.
These Kinsleys were the children of James Kinsley and Mary Sinott. James was born circa 1754 in Lower Mount Howard. His known siblings were thought to be Arthur, Catherine, and Anastasia Kinsella.
Their known children were:
Elizabeth -- according to an advert placed 4 Nov 1871 by her brother, John Kinsley, in The Boston Pilot, Elizabeth married Thomas Keougho [sic] and was a resident of the "parish of Balloughkean, county Wexford." The ad stated they had not heard from the family in about 20 years and he was searching for information on Elizabeth's sons, Daniel and Martin.
John -- was born in 1805 in Lower Mount Howard. He married Catherine Quinn in 1828. Catherine had a twin sister, Mary Ann, who married Patrick Stafford, who also emigrated to the Irish Settlement. They lived out their lives in the area.
James -- was born about 1807. He married a Margaret Havey about 1832. He and his family emigrated to the Irish Settlement in 1849.
Mary -- married Michael Swords. They had two known children -- Margaret and Thomas. Margaret married Patrick Burke.
Michael -- was born about 1810. He married a woman named Margaret who died young. It is not known if he ever had children. He lived out the rest of his life in the Irish Settlement with his brother William.
William -- was born about 1812. He emigrated about 1840. He appeared to be a bachelor and lived with several of his brothers and their families throughout his lifetime.
Catherine -- was born about 1815 and married Patrick Swords around 1844. They had at least five children.
David -- was born about 1816. He married a woman named Nora. He lived out his life in Towanda, Pa, about 30 miles north of the Irish Settlement. His family went by the name Kingsley.
Patrick -- was born about 1817. He briefly lived with the O'Neill and Murphy families in Liverpool and then sailed with them to NYC in 1841. The families settled in the Irish Settlement, but nothing is known of Patrick after he arrived.
Ellen -- was born about 1818. She married Michael Corcoran. They briefly settled in Rochester, NY, but later relocated to the Irish Settlement.
Miles -- very little is known about Miles except that he had a daughter named Elizabeth. This information was obtained from a 18 Nov 1865 ad in The Boston Pilot in which John Kinsley was searching for information about his niece, Elizabeth Daley, wife of Owen. Miles is also mentioned in one of the will's of his brothers along with his daughter Elizabeth.
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Hi Marion.
This is the headstone of my G Grandparents Patrick and Margaret Burke in Monamolin Graveyard.
Their daughter Margaret was my Granny, she lived in Ballygarrett and married 3 times(bless her).
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Hi, this is also the grave of my G Grandparents ( I have visited it twice) my Grandad was John (Jack) Burke and he had a sister called Margaret but was called Maggie like her mother, she had a daughter called Maureen, is this your family ? I understand that she lived in England as I have a photo of her when she went back home for a visit, which I got from Bridge who is the widow of a brother called Kevin Burke. I have been over to Ireland and made a lot of contacts with the help of Michael (Mogue see above) even meeting a brother of my Gdad, Marks Burke who is still alive. I am very interested if this is the same family in any info or photo's you may have. You can always pm me if you don't want it public.
cheers
Steve
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This is the same family definitely, but I have made a mistake in G.Grandparents details, I will get back to you shortly with the correct info. Good to hear from you.
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goodygoody, its great to hear from you too
Steve
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Been a little busy over last two weeks, but will get to you over the weekend. Great.
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goodygoody, its great to hear from you too
Steve
Sent PM hope you got it.
M.
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Hi Marion.
This is the headstone of my G Grandparents Patrick and Margaret Burke in Monamolin Graveyard.
Their daughter Margaret was my Granny, she lived in Ballygarrett and married 3 times(bless her).
Hi to all,new to site.
My granny was Margaret Burke also! She wed Bernard?Bryan Redmond in 1902,had at least 9 children, he died of !spanish flu" in 1918. She wed Edward Doyle in 1920, had 3 childre. He died in 1938.She wed Patrick Phelan in 1949 and died 30/10/1951,was buried with 2nd. husband Edward in Donaghmore Cemetery Bally garrett,Wexford.
I have no information on my grandfather Bernard/Bryan and would appreciate any updates on him.Thanks.
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Hi Rustico93.
Are you still researching? Have you had any luck with your Burke Redmond research?
RC Parish records can now be seen and downloaded free at:
http://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0574
Regards
Mogue
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This is the headstone of my G Grandparents Patrick and Margaret Burke in Monamolin Graveyard.
Their daughter Margaret was my Granny, she lived in Ballygarrett and married 3 times(bless her).
Hi Trying Hard2
How is the Burke research going?
Parish Registers can be viewed and downloaded FREE at the National Library website.
Ballygarrett: http://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0574
Monamolin: http://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0602
Lots to view in these records
Regards
Mogue
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Hi Jack
A very belated thank you all the Sword information you posted.
I have not yet been able to connect my Mount Howard Swords with any of the other Swords you posted.
I will keep hunting. With such a rare name some of them must be connected.
Regards
Mogue
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Hi Marion, hope your research is going well.
Parish Registers can be view and downloaded FREE at the National Library website.
Ballygarrett: http://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0574
Monamolin: http://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0602
Kilmuckridge (Litter): http://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0600
Regards
Mogue
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Hi Andrew.(andyb1963)
Any more news on the Swords research since we were last in touch?
Parish Registers can be view and downloaded FREE at the National Library website.
Early records for the Monamolin area are in the Kilmuckridge (Litter) Registers.
Monamolin: http://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0602
Kilmuckridge (Litter): http://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0600
Ballyoughter: http://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0578
I attach a copy of a record I found of an earlier Anastasia Swords (maybe an Aunt of your Anastasia Swords) as a witness to a Sweeny of Mount Howard baptism, on page 16 of the Monamolin Baptism register.
Regards
Mogue
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This is the headstone of my G Grandparents Patrick and Margaret Burke in Monamolin Graveyard.
Their daughter Margaret was my Granny, she lived in Ballygarrett and married 3 times(bless her).
Hi Trying Hard2
How is the Burke research going?
Parish Registers can be viewed and downloaded FREE at the National Library website.
Ballygarrett: http://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0574
Monamolin: http://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0602
Lots to view in these records
Regards
Mogue
Good to hear from you again.
Family research has been on hold for a while now but, delighted
to see Church Records online now that should get us all going again.
How is your research going, it is hard to get the time sometimes.
I am looking for marriage cert of Michael Swords & Mary Kinsella M. around 1832 I believe if, someone has this I would be very grateful.
Thanks again.
M.
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Hi M
Great to hear from you too. These Church Records has sharpened my interest again.
Before the Monamolin Register was started, all the records appear in the Kilmuckridge (LITTER) Register. The Link is:
Kilmuckridge (Litter): http://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0600
They can not be searched by name, but they can by date. So I used the Event Filter for MARRIAGES and Date Filter for 1832. It brought me straight to their marriage on page 75.
You will notice that their marriage is entered twice in the Register, on page 75 and 76, with the entry on p. 76 crossed out. Note the different witnesses.
I attach a copy of both entries.
We will now have to find all their children in the Baptisms, good hunting.
Have you had any luck with your Dempsey and Doyle in the Ballygarrett Registers? Was your Dempsey a Blacksmith? Dempseys I am looking for were Blacksmiths in Brickpark, Killenagh.
Regards
Mogue
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Hi Mogue
Thanks for the link and for getting in touch again. Research into the Swords family has stalled a little over the last year or so. I was aware that the church registers had been published online recently but hadn't got around to looking at them yet.
Regards
Andy
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Rustico93 here. hello to all,great to see the renewed interest with new records!
My great grandmother Margaret Swords and Patrick Burkes marriage came as a
shock as it was supposedly not registered! And now we have her mother and fathers marriage also--so hopefully everybody is happy chasing dates and events.
Enjoy.
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Hi Andy.
Any connection between the Peter Bell and Edith Swords who married in Dublin Area in 1935 and your Thomas Bell and Anastasia Swords who married in Gorey Area in 1913?
See attachment from irishgenealogy.ie
Bye for now
Mogue
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Rustico93 here. hello to all,great to see the renewed interest with new records!
My great grandmother Margaret Swords and Patrick Burkes marriage came as a
shock as it was supposedly not registered! And now we have her mother and fathers marriage also--so hopefully everybody is happy chasing dates and events.
Enjoy.
Hi what dates & parish did you have for these marriages as I have searched but can't find them !
They are also my GG Grandparents
cheers, Steve
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Hi Mogue
Thanks but I haven't come across any Peter Bells in my tree so far. All of my Bell ancestors hail from Gorey.
Andy
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Hi Steve,sorry for delay to your request.
Date of marriage 07/01/1867 and available at "registers.nli.ie"
Monamolin Microfilm No.04255/04 Page 32.
I have searched Baptisms/Marriages back to 1782 for Borris Carlow M/film No.04196/01, for Patrick and Michael Swords and their parents but cannot
find any satisfactory answer.Hope you have better luck.
Good hunting, Ben.
Forgot to ask about Patrick Burke-I"ve no further records of his side of family.
Anyone found anything?? Thanks.
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Hi all.
Images of Civil records of Births 1864-1915, Marriages 1882-1940, Deaths 1891-1965 are available free of charge from the Irish Government website:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/civil-search.jsp
Copies of these entries are available now with Marriages back to 1845 and Deaths back to 1864 to be added at a later date.
Lots of our Burke certs to see and download, mostly in the “Gorey Registration District”.
Here is a link to a post re Patrick Burke who registered 3 deaths the same day in 1918, including his wife Margaret Burke nee Swords.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=755545.msg6050680#msg6050680
Good hunting
Mogue.