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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Antrim => Topic started by: nvb272 on Friday 25 June 10 06:26 BST (UK)
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Hi
I am trying to trace my gt grandmothers family who came from Finkiltagh? nr Portglenone.
Joseph Harris married Elizabeth Leetch in 1874, they moved to Scotland shortly-after Josephs parents were James Harris and Eliza Kyle, parents of Elizabeth were James Leetch and Elizabeth Whiteford.
I have drawn a blank in trying to go any further so any help would be grateful.
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Hi,
Finkiltagh is correct. It is a townland in the parish of Ahoghill. Ballymena. The marriage of Joseph Harris and Elizabeth Leetch was on 17 July 1874 in Portglenone 2nd Presbyterian Church.
I have found what looks like the marriage of Joseph's parents. James Harris married Eliza Kyle on 11 Dec 1849 in Portglenone 2nd Presbyterian Church. Should this be correct then two siblings were Mary Jane Harris b 17 Jul 1853 who married a man called Knowlton and died in Whitewater, Walworth, Wisconsin and Thomas Harris b 1 Oct 1868.
James' father was David Harris and Eliza's father was Joseph Kyle.
Regards
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Have you looked up www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index
Looking up the occupants of Finkiltagh as published in 1862, there are 3 Harris, a James, Robert and Thomas, but I didnt find your other two surnames where each lived
This website normally gives a map showing the boundary of where each lived, which can be exciting
Good luck in your quest, jim
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Hello, Both the Kyle's and Harris families are still in the area. The Kyle's are much more synominous with the townland of Tullynahinion although there may be a connection to a particular place in the townland of Finkiltagh. The Harris and Kyle families have intermarried on more than one occasion and in more recent times. As to the Leech connection they are not plentiful. There is a direct descendant a John Leech located in or near Jo-burg South Africa.
Whiteford does not ring any bells per say but I'll bring the name up just in case I have forgotten something.
The townland of finkiltagh did not unfortunatley get included in the new address system despite being several times larger than some of the neighbouring townlands. Those of us living in Finkiltagh have to use various road names instead of townland names.
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thanks for the replies,
I will check it out
regards
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I was researching an old photo of my great grandfather and family and believe i have found a relevant entry in the 1911 census for the townland of Finkiltagh. Apparently my great grandfather was James Kyle and was married to Ellen, nee Greer. On the date of the census 02/04/11 my g/g/father was not present but his wife Ellen is given as 44 years. she is noted as having had 9 children born with 8 still alive. The children present are listed as Lizzie, 20yrs; William, 16yrs; Ellen, 11yrs; Joseph, 9yrs; Maggie, 7yrs. Also listed as present in the home is a Thomas Greer, widower and described as 'brother.' I assume this is brother of Ellen. The three younger children as listed as having been born in Scotland. I am aware that there is a family connection with Bellshill in Lanarkshire and have been told that my g/g/father worked in the steel industry. I would be interested to know if anyone can assist by shedding any further light on these connections.
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James Kyle was married to Ellen Greer in Glasgow 1890 his parents were John Kyle and Elizabeth Surgenor.
John Kyle married Elizabeth in 1865 parents James Kyle and James Surgenor, witnesses Jade Surgenor and John Glass.
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Hi,
John Kyle married Elizabeth Surgenor in Portglenone First Presbyterian Church, Ballymena District on 26 Jun 1865.
Regards
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Thank you very much for your prompt replies. I'll have to talk to a few more relatives and perhaps visit First Portglenone. I was interested to note that in the 1911 census Ellen Kyle and family declined to state their religion and in the 1901 census a William Kyle and family of Tullynahinnion gave their religion as 'believers'
I believe this William Kyle may have been a brother of my g/g/father. One of my uncles has suggested that the family were 'Brethern' or gospel hall at that time which might fit in.
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There is only one Kyle family of Tullynahinion and they still exist and live in Tullynahinion and Finkiltagh. The remaining kyles around Portglenone are most certainly related but in a very distant fashion.
I am in posetion of the census book for the area 1936 if there is a posability of that being a help.
Earlier records are public knowledge where available
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1936 census? is this a church census of some sort?
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Proper census. Information gathered by each local Police station of the time.
To date censuses have been taken in 1926, 1936, 1946, 1951, 1956, 1961, 1966, 1971, 1979 or at least thats what gov says and the dates agree with 1936 and the recorded age of everyone here at the time.
I am at a little of a loss as there seems to be some daft thing about 100 yrs and I know that this information is not due for release untill 2036 but my father says there a only a few survivors noted within the details and for the life of me I cnat see anything that would cause a problem or at least not to anyone involved in this posting.
As to why it is in my posetion is a long story but the short version is simple. Portglenone Barracks threw it in the skip.
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The 1936 census is mentioned on the National Archives website but in 1936 Co. Antrim had remained under British rule-
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/help/history.html
1937 Northern Ireland census mentioned here (http://www.histpop.org/ohpr/servlet//View?path=Browse/Legislation%20%28by%20geography%29/Ireland&active=yes&mno=4042)
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And would it be any help to anyone. I am not really willing to part with it but with this 100 year thing Im not sure what I should say.
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My name is Vance Kyle. I was born in Tullynahinion, near Portglenone in Co Antrim in *. My father's name was David and he was one of 9 children born to my grandparents William Kyle (think his brothers were Joseph and James) and Isabella Crawford. My grandfather had a flax mill in Tullynahinion but I think the family originally lived in Finkiltagh.
My father was born in September 1903 and my grandfather died in the 1950s. There are numerous connections between the families Crawford, Dunlop and Leitch with the Kyles. My mother's maiden name is McKeown and she is still alive (95 this month) and might be able to provide information that I am not aware of. She is very "compus mentus" but deaf as a doorpost.
If anyone wants to contact me directly my e-mail address is (*).
PS my mother's brother, Pastor James McKeown, established the Pentecostal Church in Ghana.
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I am interested in the Kyle family from nearby Lisrodden:
John Kyle – flax mill labourer (deceased by 1892)
wife Agnes Kyle ms Morrow
daughter Jane Kyle c1862-1892
married William Boyle in 1st Presbyterian Portglenone 2 Jan 1883
moved to Greenock between 1885/1888
grandson William Boyle
b. 14 Sep 1885 Lisrodden Portglenone
d. 14 Feb 1897 Lisrodden Portglenone, informant Mary Morrow aunt Lisrodden
2 other grandchildren died young in Greenock
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Hi,
Not sure what you are looking for but John Kyle married Agnes Morrow in Portglenone First PChurch in 1854. The fathers' names were Hugh Kyle and James Morrow.
Regards
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James Kyle was married to Ellen Greer in Glasgow 1890 his parents were John Kyle and Elizabeth Surgenor.
kiltagh, re your James Kyle, see http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,616961.msg4786525.html#msg4786525 concerning some of his siblings.
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Hi...Just wanted to mention that regarding the marriage between James Harris and Eliza Kyle, James Harris father was not David, but instead Robert Harris, who I think was his brother. James was baptized in the 2nd Portglenone Pres Church in 5 Jan 1826 by his father Robert (MIC/IP/357/Al-El) from PRONI. Also, marriage registration shows Robert as father (M/1849/H1/2432/1/32) from GRONI. James is my great, great uncle, his brother Johnston was my gr grandfather. Hope this helps...it is quite a tangled web with so many repeated names!