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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Wexford => Topic started by: newbie on Friday 02 July 10 16:02 BST (UK)
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Hello,
I have just picked up my fh research after a break due to surgery and my daughter having a very prem baby! I found while I was away the 1901 Irish census had become available on line! WOW! such good news and I missed it.
I think I have found my grandfather in the 1901 but would like some help (I've just been reading the excellent topics on Irish research in Wexford, and have searched the BMD's at the LDS pilot ) but I need clarification please.
I'm looking for :
Patrick Kehoe, found in 1911 census in Wales, he married in 1907 in Glamorgan age given as 22yrs, father Tom Kehoe a Shoemaker, deceased.
1911 census : Patrick Kehoe; Head; 26 circa 1885; Married; Timberman in Coal Mine; Below ground; Workman; born New Ross Co.Wexford Ireland; Irish; Language - English;
In 1911 there are two other Kehoe male's Thomas and Edward in the Glamorgan census, following that info I found they both married so sent for the marriage certs and their father is the same as my Patrick's.
In 1901 I have found a Patrick Kehoe of the right age living with a Margaret Kehoe, in Irishtown New Ross, Wexford.
How can I obtain the right birth certificates for Patrick, Edward and Thomas Kehoe?.
I haven't used the GRO for Ireland before, do I request a search or do I write to the Parish Church or local library?
Pauline.
added:
in 1911 Margaret Kehoe (possible mother of my Patrick) is in the census with her grandchildren the possible children of Edward-
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1911 census : Patrick Kehoe; Head; 26 circa [born] 1885; Married; Timberman in Coal Mine; Below ground; Workman; born New Ross Co.Wexford Ireland; Irish; Language - English;
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In 1901 I have found a Patrick Kehoe of the right age living with a Margaret Kehoe, in Irishtown New Ross, Wexford.
How can I obtain the right birth certificates for Patrick, Edward and Thomas Kehoe?.
I haven't used the GRO for Ireland before, do I request a search or do I write to the Parish Church or local library?
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To find possible births
1. search the Irish Civil BMD Index (http://search.labs.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#p=collectionDetails&c=fs%3A1408347) for possible matches, and note the reference numbers
2. Order cert(s) from the GRO (see : Ordering Certs from GRO Roscommon (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,433040.0.html) )
BMDs in the area of New Ross should be recorded in the index under the registration district of the same name.
Shane
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Thanks Shane
I had tried the site but it has some peculiarities!
using Patrick Kehoe, DOB 1885, Location New Ross finds nothing!
Using just Kehoe, New Ross finds quite a few, because I don't have a date of birth for him I expect that I would have to order all the certs? or will the GRO search for a Patrick Kehoe, father Tom, Shoemaker?
thanks
Pauline
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especially with a surname like Kehoe you will have to allow for variations in spelling - e.g. Keogh
also - I would allow a few years either way for year of birth. Ages on the census are not always 100% accurate
The search on the BMD index does not work by district at the moment - the best way to narrow down the area is to do the search initially without a location. And then filter down by the county (top left of the screen), and look through the results for ones in New Ross district.
Shane
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In 1911 there are two other Kehoe male's Thomas and Edward in the Glamorgan census, following that info I found they both married so sent for the marriage certs and their father is the same as my Patrick's.
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are Thomas and Edward in Wales on the 1901 census ?
Shane
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Hi Pauline,
I notice that in 1901, there is a Nicholas Kehoe b c 1885 with your family and in 1911 there is a Nicholas Kehoe b c 1887 in Pontypridd. I have tried searching Wexford and Ireland as his birthplace but they don't come up so I don't know where he was born.
I would imagine though that you have searched all the Kehoes in 1911 census in and around Glamorgan.
heywood
PS There is a Thomas who is a seaman in 1901
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Hi Shane and Heywood,
Thank you for the help, much appreciate it :)
Shane : I'll try searching using the parameters you suggest but I fear that I may end up with too many,if I list the info I find from say 1884 - 1886 Patrick Kehoe, with the refs, will the GRO search to find any of those Patrick Kehoe/Keogh with father Thomas or Tom, Occupation Shoemaker/Bootmaker?
I don't have a sub any more to Anc* but according to my records I haven't recorded Thomas and Edward in Wales in 1901, although I do remember seeing the Thomas Heywood found. Unfortunately I didn't write it down!
I have found Edward I think in 1901, in New Ross, with wife Mary, and Children, Thomas, Edward, Michael, Margaret and Patrick Joseph,of right ages. In the 1911, Margaret Kehoe (possible mother of Patrick) is listed with grandchildren Thomas, Michael and Joseph. As Edward in 1911 is in Wales and listed as a widower, this seems to be a match to me?
Heywood : Many thanks for that I will have a look for Nicholas in the 1911, I do have a sub to that census at FindMyPast.
off to look now,
Pauline.
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Shane : I'll try searching using the parameters you suggest but I fear that I may end up with too many,if I list the info I find from say 1884 - 1886 Patrick Kehoe, with the refs, will the GRO search to find any of those Patrick Kehoe/Keogh with father Thomas of Tom, Occupation Shoemaker/Bootmaker?
I dont know what kind of additional searches they will do for the search fee.. might be worth ringing the Roscommon office to see. (I have seen someone mention that they will do a check against the fathers name..). I get my certs in the GRO research room - where you just give the reference numbers and order the certs based on those. I've quite a collection or 'wrong' certs.
Shane
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Hi Shane,
Mmm, I think having looked at the GRO site it may be cost effective to visit!
Added : but it may be cheaper to do the search as I'm in Berkshire ;D
I've quite a collection or 'wrong' certs.
Yes I have a collection too! ;D
Heywood: Just checked 1911 census and found Nicholas, he is listed as born Pontypridd, but the image clearly says underneath Pontypridd : New Ross Co. Wexford! his occupation is the same as Patrick's Timberman Colliery!
Pauline
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Shane, Could I ask you for more help/advice.
Using LDS Irish BMD I'm going round in circles.
So I did as you said Search
Surname : Kehoe
then using filters on top left of screen,
By Place : Wexford
By Event : Birth
By Date : 1880 -1889
By first name : P
Results = 6, but most of these are Death entries!
I'm flummoxed, what am I doing wrong?
newbie :'(
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Surname : Kehoe
then using filters on top left of screen,
By Place : Wexford
By Event : Birth
By Date : 1880 -1889
By first name : P
Results = 6, but most of these are Death entries!
Put in Patrick as first name and Kehoe as last name on search page and then use filters for date, place, event
66 results (it's a quirk of the Pilot site not your fault)
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thanks, so using shanes link for irish BMD above,
1st page,
name: Patrick
surname Kehoe
= 894 hits
using filters : Date, Place, Event = 66 !!
thanks so much....
I don't know why but just now I tried using another link, and got rubbish...
newbie off to have a drink and calm down.
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Nope,
it still lists all the death entries, none for Birth!
just gives birth year for those Death entries.
Whats wrong?
Pauline. :'(
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you probably have 3 pages of results... the interesting ones start on page 2.
Shane
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This is the civil registration index-
http://search.labs.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#p=collectionDetails&c=fs%3A1408347
First & middle name = Patrick
Last name = Kehoe
Then click 'search' button (make sure set for exact & close match) = 894 hits
Then Place 'Wexford' = 517 hits
Then Date '1880-1889' = 76 hits
Then Event type 'birth' = 66 hits
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Thank you, thank you, thank you,
bangs head on desk and pokes computer screen!
It's Monday!
of course there are more pages, I just didn't look that far ahead - oh duh!
Pauline. :)
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Just another question ....
when ordering certificates from Ire land (GRO?) what information do I give, is it the same as the GRO in UK.
i.e. Name, quarter of registration, age at death, Registration District, Vol, and page. or do I have to give all the information I've found from the LDS site, including Film, image number etc.? estimated year of birth.?
I understand from other postings I must not say or hint that I've obtained the info from the LDS?
thanks,
Pauline
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see : Ordering Certs from GRO Roscommon (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,433040.0.html)
the details the GRO require are the name, year/quarter, registration district, volume and page numbers. The other details are LDS internal reference numbers and not required.
also see Introduction to Irish Records (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,442233.0.html) (includes notes on details included on BMD certs ....)
Shane
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Thanks Shane for clarifying....
Pauline
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Shane,
I've found this site - an online ordering facility is this the right one?
http://www.hse.ie/eng/services/Find_a_Service/bdm/Certificates_ie/
it says they accept payment online but I'm sure you said somewhere else that wasn't possible yet?
or did I miss something?
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Ah, first problem, a mandatory field for Mothers Birth Name, which if you don't know !!
can't complete the form. Also need to give an approximate date of birth, not quarter, page volume etc.
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I've never used that site, so I dont know any details..
As far as I know there was some differences in ordering - i.e. there was no place to enter the specific reference numbers etc
You might also want to check what type of certs they provide. The research certs usually provided by the GRO for €4 are scans/photocopies of the original registers which can be useful. There are other types of certs - e.g. legal cert, which are transcripts of the originals and may cost a bit more
Shane
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That site seems to be restricted to where all the details are known, there is no variation for anything else or if you omit any of the required fields if the information is not known.
So back to your original link, but even that form requests details I don't know, e.g.
* items marked must be completed.
Mothers first name and birth surname, and address place of birth or hospital.
There is no space to just complete the volume and page number on the form.
Maybe I'll just write a letter instead.
Pauline
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I think the GRO (Roscommon) is your best bet.. list the references and ask for a research cert.
see : Ordering Certs from GRO Roscommon (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,433040.0.html)
(ignore the irrelevant details on the order form - just include the details mentioned earlier)
Might be worth ringing them... number on their web-page : http://www.groireland.ie/
Shane
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Yep, thats what I've decided to do.....
Thanks for the info and help
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Just phoned ...
really helpful.
for the photocopy it's euro 4.00 if you know the volume, page and quarter.
If you require them to search (ie in my case I have several possible matches for births, 1884, 1885 1886 for Patrick Kehoe ) for each search they do it's an extra 2 euro.
to match with my Patrick father Thomas Kehoe, Shoemaker.
so many thanks
off to write my letter which they suggested would be best.
Pauline
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Hi Pauline are you still researching this topic. I came across your post while researching my family history. I believe I may have some information of use to you. If you are still interested give me a call.
Regards Andy
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Hello Andy,
Yes I am!!!
When you have posted two more times then I can private message you.
just reply to this message something like - Understood,
and another Will do. should be ok.
Pauline
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Hi Pauline.
That's brilliant.
regards Andy
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Just need to do another reply Andy
Pauline
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Hi Pauline, talk soon.
Regards Andy
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Andy I have sent you a private message.
Pauline
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Thomas Kehoe and Margaret Scanlan
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01ks5/
4th Sep 1884 Iristown, Patrick
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1884/02677/1986408.pdf
1901
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Wexford/New_Ross_Urban/Irishtown/1798812/
Julia possibly born Johanna 1882
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1882/02768/2015965.pdf
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ooh thank you so much that is very good news.
I have tried to replicate a search to look for his possible brothers Nicholas and Thomas but I can't seem to find how to do it! can you possibly explain how you got to to the birth register image for Patrick? Many thanks
Pauline
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https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/civil-search.jsp
After you put in the name and press search
The Captcha will be presented, once you get past that the section 61 page, be sure after your name to tick the little box,
Than the results come up, you can do lots more searches without having to go through the above again.
Click on any result you want to see and if there is an image available click on the word image or sometimes there are numbers if there is more than one page to view.
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Hello Thank you for the help. Unfortunately I am still not getting back to the image that was shown for Baptism of Patrick Kehoe. (and cannot seem to perform a search that will get back to it)
All I get following the advice and links is a list of Patrick Kehoe, Civil Registration, but nowhere does it list Mothers surname as Scanlan.
I must be following or doing something wrong in the search. Thanks
Pauline
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The mother's maiden name isn't recorded on the index
so I searched for Patrick Keogh New Ross 1884
I get this
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01ksf/
The second one is mother Scanlan
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Thank you. ! Found it Thats great, oh doh! I was being stupid, I didn't click through to the image, Oooops.
Thank you so much.
Pauline.
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Great. There are so many sites and so many different ways to get a result we all get flustered sometimes.
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Hello Andy,
I was just wondering if you received my personal message?
Pauline