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Research in Other Countries => US Lookup Requests => United States of America => US Completed Requests => Topic started by: suzilad on Wednesday 07 July 10 19:58 BST (UK)
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Hugh McLean Wither/s born 1885 in Wigtownshire married Tarbolton Ayrshire c 1904. I have found him arriving New York on the Cameronia 8th February 1926 .
He was " Naturalized " on 30th December 1943 aged 58 in the New York Southern District.his address is given as 107west 11th St. New York the no. of the document is 467216.
His son also Hugh McLean Wither/s born 30 May 1904 was also " Naturalized on the 11th November 1954 I believe he was born in Scotland.
I am looking for any info. on this family
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SSDI Record
Name: Hugh Withers
Born: 30 May 1904
Died: Feb 1968
SSN was issued in : Pennsylvania (Before 1951)
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SSDI Record
Name: Hugh Withers
Born: 16 Aug 1885
Died: Jun 1963
Last Residence: New Jersey
SSN was issued in: Pennsylvania (Before 1951)
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WW2 Draft
Hugh Mc Lean Withers 16 Aug 1885. Wightmonshire
107 West " Street. New York. NY
Name and address of person who will always know you:- Margaret Withers - same address
Employer:- M & R Meehan ???
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I have found another son of Hugh snr. Robert Black Wither born Scotland 1906 he and his brother left there for Indiana Ernest in 1924 they were both coal miners. Can you help me find his death and if he and his brother were both married.
Thanks
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I can see a passenger list for Robert Withers born about 1907 Scotland. Aged 17. (Mossblown) travelling on the SS California from Glasgow to New York. He is travelling with Hugh Withers aged 19 years. Both are miners and the father is listed as Hugh Withers. 131 South Plean Cottages. Plean. They are going to Ernest. Indiana. Both were miners and had $25.
They were going to friend John Black. Box11. Ernest. Indiana and intended to stay permanently.
I can see an Index Card for Naturalization in the name of Hugh McLean Wither Jnr born 30-5-1904 dated 8th June 1929 Detroit, District Court.
SSDI Record
Name: Hugh Withers
Born: 30 May 1904
Died: Feb 1968
SSN was issued in : Pennsylvania (Before 1951)
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Hi Thank you so much for your help . Is there anyway I can find Roberts death.
I am also looking for his uncle Hughs brother David who I suspect also went to America he was in Ayrshire in 1927 when he registered his fathers death then he disappears.
He was b c 1870 in Wigtownshire m Agnes Taylor 1894 Tarbolton Ayrshire he is a coalminer and in 1901 is staying with Agnes's mother in Tarbolton. They have the following family
John b c1896.
James b c 1898
Elizabeth b 1901
Twins Agnes McLean Gordon and Davinia b 1904
I also have an enquiry for David in Ayrshire
Hugh and David were two of seventeen children and David is the last one I have to find. Thank you once again for all your help
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Hello Jval,
Not having any luck with further information on Robert. Can't see David or family on any passenger list yet.
Have found another UK Incoming passenger Record for Hugh Withers
Name: Hugh Withers Born about: abt 1905 Age: 34
Travelling from New York to Glasgow. Scotland on SS Transylvania. The vessel calls at New York, Boston, Jamaica and Havana
Arrival Date: 5 May 1939 Hugh is under "Crew Signed On Abroad" and occupation is assistant cook.
The address he is going to is:- 109 Mossblown Rows. Ayrshire.
Country of Last Permanent residence is USA.
Also a few New York Passenger Lists
Hugh Withers. Born 1905. Age 34 years
Arrival Date: 24 Mar 1939
Travelling from - Port Au Prince, Haiti and Kingston, Jamaica and Santiago de Cuba and Havana, Cuba and Nassau, Bahamas on T.S.S Transylvania
Occupation:- Assistant Cook
New York Passenger List
Name: Hugh Withers. Born 1905. Age 34 years
Arrival Dates: 6 Apr 1939 and also 23 April 1939
Travelling from Hamilton, Bermuda - Arriving - New York on T.S.S. Transylvania
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Yes thanks again that's the right one that is where the Withers all moved to from Wigtownshire David is elusive I spent most of my time in NRH in Edinburgh on Thursday looking for him and his father even went on SP last night found the fathers death by adding s to Wither and lo and behold David had registered the death that is how I know he was in Ayrshire in 1927 but I was hoping he might have followed his brother Hugh to America .
Not giving up hope .
Thanks for your help once again
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Have you got a birth date for Robert Black Wither/s ?
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Hi ,
Yes I have 26 February 1906 Mossblown Ayrshire
Thanks
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Hi, I see that you're looking for a Hugh Withers and a Robert Black Withers. I am the great-great grandson of Robert Black Withers, who also had a brother Hugh Withers. They too were coal miners from Plean, Scotland. What information, if any, do you have about them? I also may have information you are looking for.
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Hello Steven
Welcome to Rootschat.
It is jval that is making the enquiry - I am just doing the looking up. So pleased you have made contact though - Robert Black Withers seems to disappear after the passenger list entry in 1924, so I have still been looking for him. Did he stay in the USA ?
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You will need to post 2 more messages before you can use the personal message system to communicate privately with jval.
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If we are talking about the same Robert Black Withers, then yes, he did stay in the USA. He is my great-great grandfather, and he came here in 1924 with Hugh Withers, who is my great-great uncle. When they arrived here in the US, they moved to Ernest, Indiana to work as coal miners. Is jval related to Hugh Withers?
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I would think jval would be related - having researched the Withers family and only having 1 brother David to find.
Just make one more reply, then press on jval in the margin, that will take you to another screen - where it will say "send this rootschatter a personal message" You can then begin your private conversation, exchange e-mail addresses or whatever.
Regards.
Sandra ;D
Give me a clue - where was Robert Black Wither/s the First - 1906 ;) The nearest I have got was someone in Florida that died in 1980 but the birth date was 27 Feb 1906 - it was the surname that was'nt quite right ? SSDI issued Ohio
Then perhaps one around 1927 - Robert Black Withers 2
Then Robert Black Withers (the third) 28 Sept 1952 Ilinois married twice.
Robert Black Withers Four - 1981 Texas
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OK, Thank you. Which Robert Black Withers?..my great-great grandfather, my great grandfather, or my father?
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I'm stepping out for an hour. I will be back on when I return.
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Did you get my PM
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Robert Black Withers 2 is my father and Robert Black Withers(the third) is my brother. Who is Robert Black Withers (1981 Texas)?
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Hi Steven.
Those names were just a part of the research I was doing for jval to try and get back from 4 - 3 - 2 - 1 =1906.
and see If I could make the links. So, I was on the right tracks (apart from 4 isn't part of the equation ) So I could'nt find a census with Robert 2 with Robert 1 - 1906, thats what my curiousity is. Just where was he ?
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Robert Black Withers1(born 1906) came to Ernest, Indiana in 1924. Then he moved to Pennsylvania Then he moved to New york city. He died because he was hit by a train in 1942.
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is that the robert black withers you were looking for?
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Yes, this is the connection I have been looking for, for jval. I have spent numerous hours going through the 1930 Census & SSDI records to try and pin point Robert but have failed to do that. I then tried to go forwards accumulating Robert B Withers etc hoping to come backwards and make the link that way. (if you get my drift)
To a certain extent that has worked. My curiosity (having spent loads of hours looking) is where was he in 1930 ? It is always sad to learn of a fatal ending thats not the way we want things to end. The Pennsylvania link - probably means that a few of the Withers family settled there before moving on to New York. On what was available to look up in New York City Death Index - Robert Black Withers was not listed. Those New York City Records go up until 1948 but obviously would not account for everyone.
However, this is your family and you have the connection with jval which I hope works out for both of you and wish you every success with your research into your Scottish roots.
I am still on the hunt for David Withers who is another that seems to be in "hiding" at the moment.
Regards.
Sandra
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I'm glad I was able to help you. In 1930, Robert was in Pennsylvania because it was here where my father Robert Black Withers2 was born in 1927. Are you located in the United States?
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Yes, its sort of confirmed the dates I was working with but I still have'nt seen him in PA in 1930.
Hi Jval,
This was the arrival of Hugh's wife Margaret
Margaret Withers. Born about 1885. Ayrshire. Aged 41 years.
Travelling from Glasgow, Scotland to New York on SS Cameronia. Arriving 17 May 1926.
With daughters Margaret aged 18 and Agnes aged 16.
Going to Inkerman PA. Gives the name and address of Hugh's brother as the nearest relative in Scotland. Hugh was at 13 1/2 Main Street. Inkerman. PA
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Thank you to every one for their help
Couldn't have done it without you.
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Your most welcome Ann, have a few snippets I can send you by personal message.
Happy Hunting.
Sandra ;)
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I am starting this subject because I stumbled on your website last night and saw that the Hugh Withers chat was completed. I think that means that I can't post to it. Hugh Withers Sr. was my Grandfather who lived with us in the early 60's. I have pictures of him with the family and with a bagpipe band in Scotland. My Grandmother was Margaret Caldwell Black Withers. Both are interred at Union Cemetery in Stanhope New Jersey, USA. Grandpa passed away in 1963 and Grandma in 1968. Their daughter, Margaret, is interred in the same cemetery. Hugh Jr was my Uncle, and Hugh III is my cousin living in Staten Island, NY, USA. I am willing to answer any questions that I can, but I am also looking for a way to contact my cousin. We lost touch about 45 years ago but I know he was in the US Coast Guard but I can't seem to find a phone number or address. So I would appreciate any information that you may have.
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Hi dougfitzr,
Welcome to Rootschat
If you make one further post you will be able to send Suzilad a message via the personal message system. The other gentleman has not been on Rootschat for over a year now.
Shout if we can help further
Sandra
Added :- Did notice FIND A GRAVE entries for Hugh McLean Withers and Margaret (not sure those were available when this topic was running)
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=55605952
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Hi Sandra,
Thank you for your assistance. I'm very excited about this. I have learned some things from the other posts.
Doug
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Doug,
Have you got access to ancestry ? Steven Withers has a family tree (with photographs) on that site, so you would have a good chance of making contact with him that way. Just checked and he was logged on last week, so it is a "work in progress"
Good Luck
Sandra
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Sandra,
Are you referring to ancestry.com or the link on this site to ancestry genealogy?
Thanks.
Doug
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Yes, the first one Doug or if you have no access, try the sister site Mundia, sign up and its free during the beta period.
http://www.mundia.com/gb/
Sandra
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Hi Doug,
How nice to meet up with you and Welcome to Rootschat from me to.You will have read on this forum that Hugh Withers 1 and my grandfather were cousins . My great grandfather Thomas Gordon was the brother of Hugh's mother Agnes. The Gordon family came over Dromore in Northern Ireland between 1838 and 1841 to Portpatrick in Wigtownshire Scotland. They were agricultural labourers. They then moved a few miles down the road to Leswalt . John and Agnes Withers were married in Leswalt and then moved to Tarbolton in Ayrshire " Rabbie Burns " country the family went into coalmining
If you PM me we can exchange informations and maybe you can fill in some of the gaps in my tree.
There are a lot of Gordons still here in Scotland. My grandfather was the youngest of twelve and your Hugh was one of seventeen,
Look forward to hearing from you.
suzilad
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Hi Doug,
Wondering if you got the two PM's I have sent you.
Regards,
suzilad
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Hi Sandra,
I did receive your PMs and I apologize for being tarday, but sometimes life gets in the way. I'm still feeling my way around the site so I may be slow at this for awhile. I will respond to your PMs once I figure out how to do that.
Thank you.
Doug
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Hi Doug,
I have found an email address for a relative of Steven Withers -- he did mention he was in contact with his cousin
Hugh. I shall PM it to you now.
Regards,
suzilad.
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HI Suzilad,
Thank you so much for the lead. I do hope that Steven has the information that I seek.
Thank you again.
Doug
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Hi Suzilad,
Came across the obituary for Hugh and couldn't remember if I sent you these by pm or not, it was so long ago
Wilkes Barre Times leader - 27 June 1963
Sandra
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and one for Agnes Withers - Wilkes Barre Leader - 4 October 1929
Sandra
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Could have sent this info by pm - can't remember -
Isabella Gordon nee Withers/ Randolph/ Satterlee - 15 October 1929 - Pittston, Pennsylvania passed away 30 December 1993 -
father Hugh M Withers - Mother Margaret C Black.
Feb 1945 - Name listed as Isabella Gordon Withers - Feb 1961 - Name listed as Isabella Gordon Fitzrandolph Jan 1973 - Name listed as Isabella Gor Satterlee Name listed as Isabella Randolph 10 Jan 1994: Name listed as Isabella G Satterlee
FIND A GRAVE
Isabella G Satterlee - Stanhope Union Cemetery Morris County, New Jersey.
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/108594280
Sandra
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Hi Sandra,
It's a wee while since I was researching them .I do have the information but not the death notices. Thank you so much for thinking of me .
Still never found anything else about the son who died c. 1942 he's still a mystery
never give up though he might turn up one of these days .
Thanks again
suzilad