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Hello everyone,
New member here,
My Grandad is a Shudall living in Liverpool, England. I am trying to find out more information about his parents, his grandparents and higher up etc,
His father was Charles Shudall (Charlie) and mother was Anatascia Shudall,
According to the 1901/1911 Census of Ireland I believe Charles' parents were Anastasia and William Shudall.
Does anyone know anymore than this?
I have read other topics referring to the Shudall family and if anyone would like to know more about the Shudall family now living in Liverpool, I would be happy to help.
Thanks in advance - Paul Grainger
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Dara.
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Hi,
I'm distantly related to you!! My grandmother was Mary Walsh (nee Keane) and her husband was Stephen Walsh. They came from Duncormick, Wexford. My grandmother and grandfather are related to the Shudalls. My grandmother, Mary, died in 1993. I can remember as a child when she visited the Shudalls in Liverpool and somewhere in a family album there are some photographs. My brother, Stephen, is the historian in the family and I'm sure he can fill you in with more information as can my mother, Kitty.
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Hello!
It would be great if you could locate those pictures, i'd love to see them,
Do you have an email address for Stephen?
I'd like to get more info!
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Paul,
Paul Pearce and I have been researching Shudalls for many many years now (just google Shudall genealogy and you'll find us in lots of places), so you may like to make contact with us. Do you have an email address?We have a number of records that point to Liverpool and have lots of details of your line if it is the William & Anastasia one.
CJF,
We do not have a link to a Keane so I'd like to know a bit more about your connection.
Eileen
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hi,
My grandmother was Mary Keane from Woodgraigue, Duncormick. She married Stephen Walsh. His mother was Catherine Parle. Catherine's sister, Anastasia, married a man by name of Shudall. In 1911 Census of Ireland, it shows that Anastasia was widowed and her mother Catherine lived with her and the children. Charles Shudall was aged 9 at the time. Charles went on to live in Liverpool.
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Thanks CJF. I presume that's the Mary who was born around Oct 1900 and lived in Holmanhill (beside Woodgraigue)?
In which case your line not only connects to mine via the Shudalls and also a second way - your grandmother's brother Peter Keane was married to my great aunt Hannah White. The marriage wasn't successful so he returned to Woodgraigue within a few years. They had a daughter who died young and a son who did not marry. He has been dead a decade now.
Do you live in Wexford?
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Hi,
I have lived in Wexford all my life. My brother, Stephen, has a great deal of information on the family tree. He has spent a number of years gathering information on both my maternal and paternal side of the families.
CJF
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I wonder if he has a date of marriage or death for Peter Keane? Or any other details. I'd love to chat to him.
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Hello!
It would be great if you could locate those pictures, i'd love to see them,
Do you have an email address for Stephen?
I'd like to get more info!
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Dear Paul. My sister said you were looking for information re: Shudall family. William Shudall was married to my mother's great aunt-Anastatia Parle from Woodgraigue, Duncormick. She was known as Anty. William Shudall was born in Carrig on Bannow area on 24th May 1866, to William Shudall and Teresa Connolly. There were a lot of Shudalls in the area at that time. In 1901, William (Bill) and Anty were living in Duncormick village. They had two daughters: Mary aged 4 and Bridget aged 2 years. Anty's sister also lived with them.Her name was Elizabeth. She had a son named Nicholas. By 1911, Bill Shudall had died.At this time in the house were Anty, Mary, Charles aged 11 years and Catherine aged 6 years. Her mother Catherine was also living with her at this time. Anty Shudall remarried a man named Johnny Quinn, who had also been previously married and had a daughter Cathy. They went on to have one daughter together- Molly. Catherine(Katie) Shudall married Richard Cleary and moved to Wales. Bridget also moved to Wales. Charles Shudall married a woman by the name of Anastatia Galvin (Statia). I have a photograph from my grandmother's photo album of Charles, his wife and my grandmother together.
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Hi. I am most interested to hear from Stevo and CJF. I have had contact with Paul Pearce here in OZ before, but have had little success in researching my GORE ancestors from Duncormick.
I have two ancestors father and son, both named Richard GORE. They seemed to be tied to a John Shudall of Duncormick through marriage and business dealings.
The wife of the father Richard GORE was a Theresa (and I was told by another family member her name was Theresa CONNOLLY, not sure of spelling, and she had no primary record to back it up), so I am intrigued by stevo's mention of a Theresa CONNOLLY in the same parish. Surely they might be related??
My first Richard must have been born about 1804 and his wife Theresa the same. Their son Richard was born in 1824 according to family bible.
Look forward to reply. Katharine.
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Hi,
Just read your message. There is a record of Richard Gore b. 1804 d. 1877 on Familysearch.org
As Richard would have come from Duncormick, his birth/death would be registered under New Ross Registration District. Perhaps this is the man you are looking for. The name Gore still resides in Duncormick area.
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hi CJF. Thanks. I have seen that, and have him listed to check out. Not sure how to do that though - do I order the film from LDS, or is there another way of checking out the death of this man in 1877?
Have had contact with the GORE family that still live there, but they don't seem to have anything that I don't already have from researching on the internet. Would be very interested to know where Stevo67's Theresa Connolly came from - townland, parish etc.
I would also be very interested if anyone has any information on the Shudall's running a mill in Duncormick.
Katharine.
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Hi. Stevo here. My sister CJF told me of your message. The records that I have re: Shudalls came from the records of Carrig on Bannow Roman Catholic Church. This would have been the parish which Duncormick village belonged. William Shudall and Teresa Connolly were the parents of William Shudall Jnr, who was born in 1866. There were quite a number of Shudalls in the area at that time, probably all related. I don't know very much about the family. My mother might know more, including if any of them ever ran a mill in Duncormick. I'll ask and let you know. The LDS website has some information about this period in time but I don't know if it would help you much. Best of luck with your search>
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Do any of you have any more information on a Dorcas Burtchaell marrying a John Shudall in 1849? Curious to know where that John Shudall is from. Katharine.
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I came across that name when looking up the registers for the parish of Carrig on Bannow. Dorcas and John baptised a daughter Louisa, on 25th April 1864.
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Steve, is that a catholic or a church of ireland register? And do you have access to it?
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That is the Catholic Baptismal records for Carrig on Bannow. The Catholic Church there is actually called Danescastle. It is some years ago now since I looked at those records. They are on microfilm in Wexford County Library. The library assistant told me that the records for that parish were one of the hardest ones to copy due to their poor condition. They were literally falling apart! I'm not sure if those records are available anywhere online. Katharine, I just typed Dorcas Burtchaell into a search engine and got a link to someone's family tree: The Everett Family of Ontario. They have Dorcas' birth year and her father and mother's name aswell as their births, deaths and other childrens' names aswell.
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hi CJF. Thanks. I have seen that, and have him listed to check out. Not sure how to do that though - do I order the film from LDS, or is there another way of checking out the death of this man in 1877?
Katherine,
Good to see you're still after your Gores. It's easy to get a copy of this death certificate from the GRO. A photocopy of it costs very little and takes only a few weeks. On the familysearch record you will see all the details you need to complete a form at the GRO website. But a word to the wise - Duncormick is not in the New Ross Reg. District, it's in the Wexford district, so this might not be your man. However, as the name is not a common one in Co. Wexford he may tie in anyhow.
Eileen
(with a reminder that Paul Pearce and I, having been researching Shudalls for a great number of years, have many hundreds of Shudall records.)
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Thanks for that Eileen. Good to hear from you once more. I think the problem is ordering it from Australia. How do I do that? Fill out the form, and send credit card details, or is there some other way I can pay for it. I am not keen to send credit details through the post.
I realise it is only a small cost for certificates, but what the aussie banks want to charge to send a small amount, ends up costing more than the actual certificate!!
Thanks for the tip about New Ross. I hope that, as you say he might 'tie in' even if not my man.
Katharine.
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I see a mention for Katherine re Gore family, this is a family I found.
1881 census; Fenton Court, Devon, District 21
Gore William Francis; head, 61, married; Clergyman Church of England. Without care of Souls. Wexford county.
Gore Eliza Carey; wife, 59, Gurnsey
Gore St George Corbert; son, 32, married, Lieut. Royan Enginners.
Gore Elizabeth J.M.; dtr-in-law, 25, married, Mussodra
Gore Kathleen Mary; dtr, 27
Gore Frederick St John; son, 23, Student Oxford
Gore Beatrice Diana; dtr, 21
Gore Lilian; dtr, 18, Wimbleton, Surrey
Gore Paul Alex; grand-son, 3 Muddodra
(6 servants)
Jack
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Register of Deeds Dublin Abstracts of Wills; 1746-1785
Will read of Wilson Christian, Wexford, gent.
Witnesses; Rev. Francis Shudall, late Duncormick, Wexford, Clerk, deceased and
Henry Boyd, Charles Shudall, both of Duncormick, gents.
Jack.
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I'm in Sydney and I order certs from the GRO all the time. Just fill out the form on their website, including credit card details, then fax it to them (no worry about the post then).
Believe it or not I used to have them back in exactly a week (Ireland to Australia!) but since the familysearch.org pilot they must be a lot busier as it now takes about three weeks for them to come back. Not longer though.
I have to admit to being very happy with the service. When all else fails it can sort things out easily.
The other option is to order a film from the LDS to view at one of their family history centres, if the record is within the records they have on film. If you don't know how to do this I'll walk you through it. Can take a while though.
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Eileen. Thanks so much for your help. I presume I just download the 'order a certificate form' then fill out with the information from familysearch - do i just put in the quarter and year, or do i need to quote any number. I was of the understanding that the numbers on familysearch relate to the films.
Jack. Thanks for the Gore reference. Any other ones greatfully received!
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Hi, I really want to talk to Katharine75
We really want to chat. I just sent you another message (hopefully) from another thread about the Gores. It is obvious that we are on the same connection as this is now the Shudalls. The Gores and the Shudalls are both in my husband's mother's line in the Wexford area. Hopefully somehow this message will get through to you because I am not sure how to do that directly.
Janice
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My great grandmother married Thomas Shudall in 1899. They lived in Cullenstown near Bannow. He was a widower with a family. He died in 1923. His father was George Shudall. Angie
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That's very interesting Angil. The census records show Thomas in Cullenstown with wife Mary and a marriage year of around 1881 although they had no children; so a Thomas marrying in 1899 is a little too early to be a son of this Tomas and Mary and anyhow you say his father was George. Of course if this Mary was his second wife (so your g.grandmother) that would fit, except that you say they married in 1899, not 1881.
So this leads to a few questions: Do you know if your Thomas was connected to this Thomas+Mary at all? Do you know the name of your g.grandmother? Or where she was from? I presume you don't know the name of his first wife? Do you know if your TS was born in Cullenstown or moved there later? Do you know where he died or was buried? Any idea of brohters/sisters? Do you know his religion? Do you know if this George was from Cullenstown too or any further details on him?
The names Thomas and George are not very common in the Shudall lines but George is pretty strong in one of them - the Rath line so pehaps he came from there? A number of that line moved to Dublin - does this ring a bell with you at all?
Enough questions for the moment?!! Nice you meet you anyhow.
Eileen
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Hi Hatslip, Thomas was a widower when he married my great grandmother Mary Mackey. I know of two children he had with his first wife. Her name could have been Mary Murray. He had a daughter Mary born in 1885 and a son George born in1888. There were no children from his second marriage that I know of. Thomas's father was George Shudall. Thomas died in 1923 at fifty nine years old. I have been told that the Shudalls were Protestant but some of them married Catholics and were disowned. As far as I know they came from Duncormack But I think Thomas lived in Cullenstown for a long time. Hope this is useful to you. A
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I came across the below in Brian J Cantwell's Memorials of the Dead,
The cemetery was Kilcavan.
Charles Shudall Esq.; 7/3/1798 (76)
Hanna (alias Humpries) wife;
Daughter; Hanna Gore; 17/4/1845 (79)
John Gore (hus); Duncormick, 8/12/1847 (82)
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Jack
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This is very interesting A. I have a database of about 600 Shudalls so it's always interesting trying to fit in another bit of information.
What you have just said ties into what another researcher, Brian Coughlin, said. He also had Mary of 1885 and George of 1888 being born ot Thomas Shudall and Mary Murray. And the census records and civil registration records link this to the Thomas who was born in 1864, which ties to the marriage record of a Thomas Shudall in 1884.
So I would suggest your next step would be to go to the GRO site and order a (photocopy) cert for either his birth (preferable) or his marriage. The second will give his father's name (which you know) and his place of residence at the time of marriage. The first will give his place of birth and the names of both of his parents. Once these details are known I can see if he might fit into the lines I already know of.
But of course I see one puzzling thing in what you have said here - how did your g.grandmother come to be a g.grandmother if she didn't have any children? Perhaps she had children before she married this Thomas?
Where do you live? I ask as these Shudalls were originally from London.
E.
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The date on the 1911 census is wrong. they have Mary and Thomas down being married twenty years. they were married twelve years in 1911. I have their marriage cert. The Mary Mackey down in the 1901 census, age sixteen was my grandmother and Thomas's stepdaughter but he have her down as a boarder. I havn't done a lot of research on Shudalls as they were not blood related. A
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Hummm. Very interesting. Firstly, don't worry about not having done much research on the Shudalls and myself and Paul Pearce have been researching them for years and are happy to share information. Secondly, if your g.grandmother had children by Thomas Shudall then the Shudalls are your blood relations.
As for what we know now - it seems from what you say that Thomas had 2 children (Mary and George) by his first wife Mary Murray; then at least your grandmother (Mary Mackey) by his second wife Mary Mackey. As you have the 1899 marriage cert I guess you have details of the residences, parents and ages of the bride and groom? If so I can try to put George into place for you.
I don't suppose you have any idea who the Hogan nephew was?
Eileen
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I should say ... if you want to take this offline feel free to send me a PM.
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I have George in the 1911 census Staying with my grandmother and her husband John Evoy In Wexford Town. I would like to find my great grandmother's death, Mary Shudall. I know she moved into Wexford town in the 1920s after Thomas died. She was living in town up to the 1930s because I found her name in my grandfather's ledger. I've looked up the Wexford deaths and some of the country areas but I can't find the date she died or where she died. I'm new to this site so I don't know how to send a PM. Angie
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Sorry I forgot to put in that the Hogans as far as I know belonged to the Mackeys. Angie
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The death of a Mary Shudall was registered in the Wexford district last quarter of 1937. (4/432) Estimated birth year seems a bit out though (1840)
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Ah, so it looks like you have a good bit of information on the next generation. Perhaps you even know if this 21 South Main St address ties to the later Shudall's shop at 68 South Main St.? What's this ledger - is it from a shop? Perhaps you know what became of this George junior? Perhaps you know the Mackey + Hogan connection? Neither name is common in Wexford so you may be able to trace that.
As for tracing the death the main thing to remember is that Shudall can be spelled in a lot of different ways depending on who was writing it down at the time. So I suspect her death was registered, but the spelling might make the search difficult. There is a 1937 death registration for a Mary Shudall but it shows her to have been born in 1840 so that can't be your g.grandmother; though I suspect this age of 97 is incorrect; so you could get that certificate to see if the residence at the time matches your line.
Do you know if anyone was left in Cullenstown after Thomas' 1923 death? And yes, the Shudalls were Protestant, but some of them changed to Catholicism. Those living are of both religions.
From what you say here, the main question is, how do you know this Mary (not Mac Evay) is Mary Mackay not Mary Shudall? I presume you have more information which I guess came from oral history? Perhaps you know Mary Shudall married someone else?
Meanwhile can you tell me the details on the Mary + Thomas marriage certificate?
e
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The marriege cert. of Thomas and Mary Shudall contains: They were married on the 23rd October 1899 in the Chapel of Bannow in Bannow. They don't give their age, just full age. He was a Widower and she was spinster. He worked as a Labourer. He lived in Cullenstown and she was from Grange. Both their fathers George Shudall and James Mackey, (Labourers) were dead. Thomas couldn't write. There is an x for his signature. Their witnesses were James Mackey and Catherine Moore.
George Shudall married a lady called ? Mitten. They had no family. He died in the sixties and his wife in the eighties. George married 21st July 1950. Not sure if there were any Shudalls left in Cullenstown after 1923. George and his wife both died in Wexford Town. The Mary Sudall you have who died in 1937, do you know where she died? I will send you a PM Angie
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May be already elsewhere recorded;
1911 Eng/Wales census; (Liverpool)
Shudall John P; Duncormick, Wexford, 53, head, married,
Police pensioner & Customs Watcher
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Jack
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she was from Grange. Both their fathers George Shudall and James Mackey, (Labourers) were dead.
...George Shudall married a lady called ? Mitten.
this gives you something to go on ... First of all will presume the Grange is Grange, Bannow (there are a dozen more Granges in Co. Wexford). The 1901 census shows a Margaret MacKey (age 18) and Mary MacKey (age 15) living in Ballymadder with their uncle John Hogan household; Mgt is still there in 1911; also a married Lizzie MacCay (age 30) living in Grange with her father William Audley (so she must have married a MacCay); an Annie MacKay turns up in Cullenstown in 1911 aged 32 (so 1879) whose grandfather was Michael Kearns - all of these could be related to your Mary.
As for George - wife's death in 1980s implies almost 100 years old.
Re 1937 death - just registered in Wexford district, which is why you'd need to apply for the cert to check the details
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Hi Eileen, I think I might have found the death of Mary Shudall. I have her death in 1937 and her age at 77. The death was in Taghmon and a Eliza O' Conner was with her when she died. I will look more into this as I think Eliza could have been a cousin. Hope so, will let you know how I get on. Angie
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That's great Angie. :D
And interesting as I have Shudalls in Taghmon parish in the early 1800s but then not again until the early 1900s. but not connected to an O'Conner name. They are connected to a Taghmon family called Watchorn but only since the 1920s.
Perhaps you've seen on the Rathangan parish records that a Mary Anne Shudal, who was born in 1917 in Wennystown to Edward and MaryAnne Shudal, married a David O'Connor in 1957. As this is twenty years after the 1937 death it's probably just coincidence.
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Has anyone got any details on a JOHN SHUDALL who might have died sometime between 1849 and 1876? Presumably in Co.Wexford, but I wouldn't rule out others at this stage.
He possibly would have had a son Francis b.c.1826. Perhaps they were from Cooleshall, near Duncormick. John leased and operated a corn mill in Duncormick (from Griffiths Valuation).
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If anyone is interested I have a James Shudall from Rath Duncormack who died the 28th March 1932. He was married. Just something I took down while doing research. A
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Hello Katherine,
Have we had contact before? Perhaps not. If you have a look around the various genealogy websites you will see that Paul Pearce and I have been researching Wexford Shudalls for many years, and having lots of information at this stage, have responded to queries regarding the Shudalls of Coolishal before.
There were a number of different, but related, Shudall lines in south Co. Wexford. The John who had the corn mill ties to the Scurlogue line, the Coolishal line ended up in Australia, the Francis b.1826 was from the Duncormick Hill line (although another Francis born around this time went to USA). Where are you getting your information from? Are you related to Shudalls? Happy to help if I understand where you come into the line. Do you live overseas?
Eileen
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If anyone is interested I have a James Shudall from Rath Duncormack who died the 28th March 1932. He was married. Just something I took down while doing research.
Angie, you've got me here. I don't have a James from the Rath line (except the one that shows in Wexford town in 1911), so I'll have to ask you for more details. What age at death and residence and notifier; and I guess the source of this record would be really helpful to put him into place. And is it spelled Shudall? Thanks in advance,
Eileen
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Hi Eileen James died in Wexford Hospital with enlarged prostrate. He was sixty years old. I got this in the Records Office in Wexford.
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Thanks for that info Angie. Now that I have an age I can see he was most probably the fourth child of George (Shoodal/Shoodall) and Ellen Nolan.
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Hi , Elizabeth Parle you mentioned was my grandmother who married Thomas Moran Belgrove Duncormick ,would love to have more info on the family my email is * or facebook Betty Moran Walker .
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Hi Paul , Anastasia was my grandmother Elizabeths sister ,maiden name Parle . William & Anastasia came from Duncormick Wexford ,My email is ---- * or facebook Betty Moran Walker
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Hummm. Very interesting. Firstly, don't worry about not having done much research on the Shudalls and myself and Paul Pearce have been researching them for years and are happy to share information. Secondly, if your g.grandmother had children by Thomas Shudall then the Shudalls are your blood relations.
As for what we know now - it seems from what you say that Thomas had 2 children (Mary and George) by his first wife Mary Murray; then at least your grandmother (Mary Mackey) by his second wife Mary Mackey. As you have the 1899 marriage cert I guess you have details of the residences, parents and ages of the bride and groom? If so I can try to put George into place for you.
I don't suppose you have any idea who the Hogan nephew was?
Eileen
Hello Katherine,
Have we had contact before? Perhaps not. If you have a look around the various genealogy websites you will see that Paul Pearce and I have been researching Wexford Shudalls for many years, and having lots of information at this stage, have responded to queries regarding the Shudalls of Coolishal before.
There were a number of different, but related, Shudall lines in south Co. Wexford. The John who had the corn mill ties to the Scurlogue line, the Coolishal line ended up in Australia, the Francis b.1826 was from the Duncormick Hill line (although another Francis born around this time went to USA). Where are you getting your information from? Are you related to Shudalls? Happy to help if I understand where you come into the line. Do you live overseas?
Eileen
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I've got this one in my family tree. I'm not directly related though.
20 Jan 1925 Married at RC Church Wexford, Co. Wexford, Ireland
Christopher Shudell 23, Bachelor, Sailor, of Patricks Square, Wexford. Father Christopher Shudell, a Tailor .
Spouse Elizabeth Thomas, 21 Spinster, Domestic Servant of Hill Street Wexford. Father: William Thomas a Labourer.
Witnesses: Thomas Larkin & Justin Busher
U.S., Social Security Applications and Claims Index, 1936-2007
Name: George Christopher Shudell [George C Shudell]
SSN: 369 56 5471
Gender: Male
Race: White
Birth Date: 1 Nov 1926
Birth Place: Wexford Wexf, United Kingdom
Death Date: 23 Oct 1992
Father: Christophe Shudell
Mother: Elizabeth Thomas
Type of Claim: Original SSN.
Notes: Apr 1967: Name listed as GEORGE CHRISTOPHER SHUDELL;
03 Nov 1992: Name listed as GEORGE C SHUDELL
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UK, Commonwealth War Graves, 1914-1921 and 1939-1947
Name: Christopher Shudell
Age: 38
Birth Date: abt 1902
Death Date: 9 Dec 1940
Cemetery: The Tower Hill Memorial Part XIV Sea-Sty
Burial Country: England
Father: Christopher Shudell
Mother: Ellen Shudell
Region or Memorial: Memorial Register
SHUDELL, Christopher AB Merchant Navy, SS Ashcroft (London) Died 9th Dec 1940 aged 38 son of Christopher & Ellen Shudell:
Husband of Elizabeth Shudell of Kilburn Middx.
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Hi Eileen James died in Wexford Hospital with enlarged prostrate. He was sixty years old. I got this in the Records Office in Wexford.
Hatslip, I am researching the Lumley family of Co Waterford but I believe they are also related to the Shudal family of Wexford. You suggest you have done some research into this family so I wonder if what follows has cropped up in your research.
In 1873 Patrick J Breen married Eliza Dowling at the Catholic Church in Wexford - their son Francis John Breen marries Mary Elizabeth Lumley in 1905.
Eliza Dowling I believe is the daughter of Edward Dowling (spelt Dawling in their wedding record of 1844 at Rathangan) and Eliza Shudal. Eliza Dowling was born 1850 Lady's Island, Wexford. I believe her mother Eliza Shudal or Shudall is most likely the child of Charles and Mary Shudal.
Can you shed light on this and if so when Charles was born and died and similarly when his wife was born and died, including her maiden name.
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Yes notaninch, I do have this line. However, although Charles and Mary did have a daughter Elizabeth, the Elizabeth Shudall who married Edward Dowling was not her. Your Elizabeth's father was Francis. Her mother was Hannah Jeffares.
Happy to hear more about your Shudall line.
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Yes notaninch, I do have this line. However, although Charles and Mary did have a daughter Elizabeth, the Elizabeth Shudall who married Edward Dowling was not her. Your Elizabeth's father was Francis. Her mother was Hannah Jeffares.
Happy to hear more about your Shudall line.
Thanks for the update. Do you have a date when Eliza Shudall was born (and also the year she died). Similarly when Hannah Jeffares was born and died. Clearly these names are not indigenous Irish names. Shudall sounds like it could be of German origin. As for Jeffares is this a case of spelt as pronouced i.e. Jeffries which again may be of German origin.
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Let me start by clarifying my earlier note - Elizabeth's father was Francis. Her mother was probably Hannah Jeffares. This Elizabeth was born too early for me to find her birth records. I have a possible date of death but do not think it is correct.
In Wexford Jerrares/Jeffaries is just pronounced Jeffers. The Shudalls have been in Co. Wexford since the late 1600s. If you trawl the net you will see that Paul Pearce and I have traced this line back to London, where they were by at least the mid 1500s. Before that perhaps Germany, but more probably France. Religion varies by line.
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You can View and Save SHUDALL Marriages from 1882-1934
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/
Example....click on ''image''
Party 1 Name JOHN STAFFORD
Party 2 Name MARY SHUDALL
Date of Event 07 August 1882
Group Registration ID 2210610
SR District/Reg Area Wexford
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Let me start by clarifying my earlier note - Elizabeth's father was Francis. Her mother was probably Hannah Jeffares. This Elizabeth was born too early for me to find her birth records. I have a possible date of death but do not think it is correct.
In Wexford Jerrares/Jeffaries is just pronounced Jeffers. The Shudalls have been in Co. Wexford since the late 1600s. If you trawl the net you will see that Paul Pearce and I have traced this line back to London, where they were by at least the mid 1500s. Before that perhaps Germany, but more probably France. Religion varies by line.
Hello Hatslip,
I see that you have been researching the Shudall's for some years now.
I am new to the genealogy sites. I have only been on here for two days. I am a novice, so please forgive my ignorance :) I have a question, I am a Shudell. My granddad (George Christopher Shudell b 1926; Married to Mary Carmel Dunne) was from Co. Wexford. My question: Are the different spellings of Shudell/Shudall related? what does the different spellings represent?
Also, i noticed in an older post someone was looking for a Jackie Shudall that was the last of his generation. I wanted to let you know that my granddad had a Jackie as a brother; last name spelled Shudell. He was in the Invasion of Normandy in WWII. I just wanted to let you know; i'm not sure how the difference in spelling relates.
We did not know my granddad's family too well. Recently we have been in contact with my dad's cousin's children and are planning to meet.
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My question: Are the different spellings of Shudell/Shudall related?
I have come across at least 20 different spellings for Shudall. If the name looks like it might have a similar pronouncation and is in Wexford there's a fair chance they were all the same family originally. Certain branches did however take one particular spelling, rather than another, over time.
My granddad (George Christopher Shudell b 1926; Married to Mary Carmel Dunne) was from Co. Wexford. ... I wanted to let you know that my granddad had a Jackie as a brother
Yes, I am aware of George Christopher b.1926. He was the son of Christopher (b.1901) from Patricks Square and Elizabeth Thomas of Hill Street. I don't have a record of a son Jackie to them.
Re Jackie: Christopher (b.1901) did have a brother John (b.1898 in Cheshire) who had a son Jackie (born c.1930) who lived in Cornwall and was in the army. Perhaps his father was in the army too?
Did you mean WWI or WWII?
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Hi, I’m only now joining the Shudall chat.
I’m seeking information on Charles Shudall, JP of Lough, co Wexford, whose daughter Elizabeth married Robert Hutchings 1785. Charles’ wife was Hannah Humphries. He died 1798.
Robert Hutchings’ sister Grace married Charles Shudall junior, presumably a brother or cousin to Elizabeth.
Charles Shudall’s will was proved 1798.
There have been some mentions of this Charles and Elizabeth within this thread, but mostly it seems this is quite far back in the family.
My info comes from an old printed and annotated tree of the Hutchings family, it has little corroboration, and parts of it are just plain wrong, so any data sources would be very welcome.
Jimbo
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The Poole Photographic Collection
>> Group of two commissioned by Mrs. Shudall, 3 Lambert Place, Wexford...
Call Number POOLER 1732
View in National Library of Ireland. NPA Reading Room - Appt. only
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Please see this website which contains lots of information on the history of the Shudall family.
http://www.famgene.net/documents/Shudall%20one%20name%20study.htm#_Toc379829349
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Quite a few here.....various spellings!
http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/wexford/churches/rathanga02.htm
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Other thread...
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=70454.0
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Jimbo, I am a descendant of Charles Shudall of Lough. When you have done a three post to this website you will then be able to send me a PM (personal message). I am interested in the hutchings connection as I have another connection to that name you might be able to help me with.
As far as the Humphries line I have had no luck in placing Hannah. Does anyone know any more about the Humphries family????
Katharine.
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Hallmark,
It's always good to know of those who are also researching Shudalls. However, re your
Reply #63 on: Yesterday at 15:43
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My Grandmothers sister Anastasia Parle born 1870 married William Shudall born 1866 in Rathangan Duncormick Wexford in 1896 they had 6 children ,Mary Teresa b.1897 , Bridget born 1898 , Charles b. 1901 , Anastasia b. 1902, Catherine b 1904 , Ellen b . 1906 .
Anastasia Parle b.1870 her parents were Stephen Parle b.1847 & Catherine Nowlan b. 1842
Stephen Parle b 1847 his parents were Michael Parle b.1822 & Anty Furlong b.1823 .
Catherine Nowlan b 1842 her parents were Murray Nowlan & Catherine Hartwell 1804 .
My Grandmother was Elizabeth Parle b 1878 married my Grandfather Thomas Moran .also in Rathangan Duncormick Wexford .
William Shudall b. 1866 his parents were Charles Shudall b.1819 & Barbara b 1820.
Betty .
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Jimbo, I am a descendant of Charles Shudall of Lough. When you have done a three post to this website you will then be able to send me a PM (personal message). I am interested in the hutchings connection as I have another connection to that name you might be able to help me with.
As far as the Humphries line I have had no luck in placing Hannah. Does anyone know any more about the Humphries family????
Katharine.
HallmarK,
Hope you are well
Can you identify who were witnesses to the marriage of James Lumley and Bridget Halloran on the attached, please.
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R Knox and Maria Knox
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R Knox and Maria Knox
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Cheers Hallmark. Got another I think it is Lilian Lumley born to William - can you confirm it is Lillian and the parents names in full as well as sponsors, please
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sponsors Joanna Lumley and ? Walsh
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sponsors Joanna Lumley and ? Walsh
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I did not want to pre-empt your interpretation - I agree Johana Lumley - now I think that is in fact John Lumley (who was the brother of William - Lilian's father). You do agree it was Lillian that was being baptised. I still can't quite decipher who her mother was (I have a hunch but would like your view). Maria (Mary) Corcoran or Coughlin is how I read it. Any advances on that
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sponsors Joanna Lumley and ? Walsh
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I did not want to pre-empt your interpretation - I agree Johana Lumley - now I think that is in fact John Lumley (who was the brother of William - Lilian's father). You do agree it was Lillian that was being baptised. I still can't quite decipher who her mother was (I have a hunch but would like your view). Maria (Mary) Corcoran or Coughlin is how I read it. Any advances on that
It would be very helpful if all parish register extracts could come with a comment on where they are from. I can't tell readily, and even though I know it is almost certain to be found somewhere in this long thread, I don't have the energy to read the whole thing to find out....
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The baptism was found in the Holy Trinity, Waterford Register - dated November 1822
I did not want to pre-empt your interpretation - I agree Johana Lumley - now I think that is in fact John Lumley (who was the brother of William - Lilian's father). You do agree it was Lillian that was being baptised. I still can't quite decipher who her mother was (I have a hunch but would like your view). Maria (Mary) Corcoran or Coughlin is how I read it. Any advances on that
It would be very helpful if all parish register extracts could come with a comment on where they are from. I can't tell readily, and even though I know it is almost certain to be found somewhere in this long thread, I don't have the energy to read the whole thing to find out....
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Regarding the 1822 baptism in Waterford, some folks are misreading, by including material from a separate entry in the second column. There are two columns on this page!
I make the entry to be:
26. Bapt. Lillian Lumley, f. lig. Gulielmi Lumley et Maria Mauguire. Johani Lumley & Maria Ana Brown Sus.
J. Burke (Priest's signature)
That translates and expands to
26th [of November] Baptized Lillian Lumley, legitimate daughter of William Lumley and Mary Maguire [or McGuire, etc]. Godparents (literally "helpers") John Lumley and Mary Ann Brown.
J. Burke
Note that the mother's surname does not begin with a capital C. There are examples of C elsewhere on the page, and they are clearly different. It is an "M," as in several other examples.
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Hi,
I'm late to the Shudall game but my 3rd great grandmother was Ellanore Shudall. She was born in Wexford in 1835 and died there also, 1875. She married Timothy McGrath (1831-1865) but we don't know the marriage date. Any info or direction is greatly appreciated. My cousins and I have been working on this line for years and are stuck on this one.
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Hi,
I'm late to the Shudall game but my 3rd great grandmother was Ellanore Shudall. She was born in Wexford in 1835 and died there also, 1875. She married Timothy McGrath (1831-1865) but we don't know the marriage date. Any info or direction is greatly appreciated. My cousins and I have been working on this line for years and are stuck on this one.
Wexford meaning Wexford town, or Co. Wexford? Just "Wexford" usually means the town.
Presumably you know where they lived - townland/parish?
Who were the children, when/where were they born?
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Hi,
I'm late to the Shudall game but my 3rd great grandmother was Ellanore Shudall. She was born in Wexford in 1835 and died there also, 1875. She married Timothy McGrath (1831-1865) but we don't know the marriage date. Any info or direction is greatly appreciated. My cousins and I have been working on this line for years and are stuck on this one.
Married what looks to be December 23th, 1851, in the parish of Bannow (Carrick-on-Bannow).
It is the last marriage of 1851 in the parish register:
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000634018#page/117/mode/1up (https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000634018#page/117/mode/1up)
Addresses given for both parties, though difficult to read.
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Note that there is also an 1859 marriage of a second Ellinora Shudall in the same parish. So an 1835 baptism for an Elinora Shudall - assuming that OP has found such - may well be for this later Ellinora.
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For the December, 1851 marriage, the address given for Ellinor Shudall was Brandane, see
https://www.townlands.ie/wexford/bargy/bannow/bannow/brandane/ (https://www.townlands.ie/wexford/bargy/bannow/bannow/brandane/)
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In the December 1851 marriage entry, the address for Timothy McGrath seems to be "Bariestown" or similar, which is officially Barrystown, see
https://www.townlands.ie/wexford/bargy/bannow/harristown/barrystown/ (https://www.townlands.ie/wexford/bargy/bannow/harristown/barrystown/)
In Griffith's Valuation of 1853, Timothy McGrath is shown as holding a small garden and very low value house there.
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In September 1864 Timothy McGrath and Ellen (sic) Shudall had a daughter Mary.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1864/03603/2329120.pdf (https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1864/03603/2329120.pdf)
At that point they were living in the unusually named townland of Verneli (sic, officially Vernegly] which is located directly next to Brandane, see
https://www.townlands.ie/wexford/bargy/bannow/bannow/vernegly/ (https://www.townlands.ie/wexford/bargy/bannow/bannow/vernegly/)
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You can see the dimensions and details of Timothy McGrath's house in Barrystown as of 1845, here:
http://census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/vob/IRE_CENSUS_1821-51_007246832_00186.pdf (http://census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/vob/IRE_CENSUS_1821-51_007246832_00186.pdf)