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Hello :)
I am trying to find Edward Peach, in 1891 please, specifically to find who was residing or visiting with him.
He was born 1817 in Elton, Huntingdonshire, (never married) and died Oct quarter 1891 in Oundle Northamptionshire.
Occupation: ironmonger.
In 1871 and 1881, he was living in Market Place, Oundle Northamptionshire
Thank you,
Margaret :)
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He was living at Brunston House, Market Place, Oundle. He is listed as head of household, single, age 74, retired iron monger. He has a boarder, Joseph W. Pearson, age 30, an assistant iron monger--and 2 servants: Ruth Seymour and Mary Gray.
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Thank you so much Bridget, that's great.
All the best,
Margaret :)
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I have a book called 'A Bramston Scrapbook' by David McFetrich, which mentions Edward Peach on page 20.
He bought Bramston house in 1867 from an ironmonger called William Langford Fisher and the book gives the advertisement that Fisher put in the 'Stamford Mercury'. According to the ad, it is a big house with 8 bedrooms, '2 very large Walled Gardens' etc.
When Edward died in 1891, the book says that Bramston House was passed to his relatives the Newmans of Barnsley.
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Thank you so much for posting this Nicci - this is great news. :D
Edward Peach is my 3rd cousin (I think twice removed), he was my great grandfather, William Lea Matthews's cousin. William's sister, Mary Ann Matthews lived in Bramston House, with her cousin, Edward Peach, according to the 1871 and 1881 censuses. I was trying to find a death date for her, which was why I requested this lookup - I'm so glad that I did now 8).
My 2x great grandmother, Rachel Matthews, nee Viccars (Edward's aunt), died in Oundle in 1862, so wouldn't have visited Bramston House.
Now I wonder who the Newmans of Barnsley are? Possibly neices or nephews of Edward - I'll have to investigate!
Thanks again Nicci,
Fantastic,
Margaret :)
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I have just looked at page 22 of the book and found out that there is more about Edward Peach and the Newmans. It mentions that Edward Newman, born 1798, was a partner in the family solicitor's business in Barnsley. Quoting a book called 'The Newmans of Barnsley' by John Newman Ward, 1986 it says that Edward Newman was:
'...constantly concerned with business in London, and it was on one of his journeys by coach to London that he met a girl called Peach at the Bell Inn at Stilton, by whom he had an illegitimate child. This was Edward Peach, who subsequently settled in Oundle ... He built up a first-class ironmonger's business in Oundle ... and he lived in Bramston House across the way . Edward was very fond of him and took a continual interest in him. He was constantly taking [his son] Thomas James to Oundle, and Thomas James became very fond of Mr. Peach, greatly to his credit. The rest of the family turned up the nose of propriety at him. This was why Mr. Peach, having no children, ultimately left everything to Thomas James, and why the Newman family came to Oundle..'
It also mentions that Thomas James' son, Arnold Charles took over Bramston in 1904 and sold it to Oundle School in 1917, because of a 'reduction in the family income'
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Curiouser and curiouser.........
Thank you Nicci , how interesting. Now this may have opened up a can of worms and I will have to try to obtain Edward Peach's Will (I wonder where copies of wills for 1891 are kept?) and copies of both the books you mentioned, in order to sort this out.
It's certainly the same person. Edward Peach, bp. 1817, Elton Hunts, Ironmonger, residing in Market Place Oundle, as recorded on the censuses: 1841, 1851, (in the household of William L Fisher), 1861 (sister Marianne is living with him), 1871 (sister Marianne and cousin Mary Ann Matthews living there) 1881 (cousin Mary Ann Matthews is living with him) and 1891.
To reinterate, Edward Peach is the cousin of my great, great aunt, Mary Ann Matthews. Edward’s parents were John Peach and Mary Viccars who married 6 Nov 1809 in Elton Huntingdonshire. Mary Peach, nee Viccars and my great, great grandmother, Rachel Matthews, nee Viccars, were sisters. Mary Peach was buried at All Saints Elton, Huntingdonshire on 16 May, 1834, aged 50. I don’t know when her husband, John Peach, died. I'm not sure where I will find his burial information though.
John Peach and Mary Viccars had 3 children that I am aware of.
Thomas bp. 15 Nov 1812, Elton Hunts, parents John Peach and Mary.
Marianne bp. 14 Nov 1814, Elton Hunts, parents John Peach and Mary died 1875 Elton Hunts.
Edward bp. 29 June 1817, Elton Hunts, parents John Peach and Mary .Died 1891, Elton Hunts.
Edward was the youngest child of John and Mary, so in 1817, when Edward was born, his mother,
Mary would have been about 32 years old. It is interesting that she was described in the Newmans of Barnsley book, as ‘a girl called Peach’. I must try to find out more about her liason with Edward Newman, maybe Mary was working at the Inn at this time. Wow, this is amazing!
http://www.thebellstilton.co.uk/Pages/Home.htm
and Bramston House today:
http://www.oundleschool.org.uk/pastoral/houses/bramston.php
I really must find out more!
Margaret :)
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Maybe 'the girl called Peach' was not John's wife Mary, but another Peach relation, perhaps John's sister? John and Mary could have taken in Edward as their own child to give him a better start in life, as, from the quote, it looks as if people were snooty about illegitimate children at this time.
The information on Edward Peach in the 'Bramston Scrapbook' is all on pages 20 - 22 (nearly all of page 21 is filled by a picture of John Bramston, unfortunate it is not Edward Peach). I had another look to check whether whether I had missed any information and found the following:
'It was bought by Edward Peach, who had also taken over the ironmonger's business, carried on by Fisher in the building now occupied by Oundle School Bookshop. Peach apparently lived for part of the time at the house, now engraved with the name ''Bramston House'', but at other times it was let to tenants, who included John Sanders Clarke, the estate agent who was living there at the time of the 1881 census.'
The ironmonger/book shop is described later in the book as an arcaded building, opposite Bramston House, presumably where Peach was living at the time of the 1881 census.
Peach's will could be in the Northampton Record Office, I found a lot of Oundle wills there when I was researching my Oundle family (Wigginton and Yardley).
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Hi Nicci,
Yes, you’re probably right about who Edward’s mother might be. Unfortunately, I don’t know anything about John Peach, besides him being married to Mary Viccars - we may never really know for sure and it really doesn’t matter.
I’m pleased to hear that Edward also carried on the ironmongers business in the building that is now the Oundle School Bookshop. I find the description of the building and the fact that he may have lived there etc, invaluable. I have just sent an enquiry to Northampton Record Office regarding ordering a copy of Edward’s will. I do hope they have the original there.
I also did a search, online, for the book, 'The Newmans of Barnsley' by John Newman Ward, 1986 and it’s currently unavailable but Bramston Scrapbook: Seventy-five Years in the Life of a Public School Boarding House by David McFetrich , even though not kept in stock, hopefully can be ordered, so I will try to secure a copy – fingers crossed.
I have just had a browse around your website – you certainly have an interesting family. I notice that you may have Huguenot ancestors as well. My Carey Carre/ Caree line are descended from French Huguenot. Most of the baptisms for them are recorded in the Walloon Or Strangers Church, Canterbury, Kent, England. The earliest I have been able to trace them is to Pierre Jacob Carey born c1706 France and Marye Du Chattel. Rachel Matthews (nee Viccars), son, William Lea Matthews and Sarah Jane Carey are my great grandparents.
Nicci, I don’t know how to thank you for sharing all this wonderful information about Edward, and Oundle, it’s amazing! You’ve been so helpful, uncovering all this history about my family that I knew absolutely nothing about before your post. It’s also interesting to think that our Oundle ancestors, walked the same streets, even though at different times, over two hundred years ago, and here we are today, discussing them online.
Thanks again,
Margaret :)
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I wish I had seen this post before Thursday as I took photographs of
Oundle War Memorial in the Market area and could have taken them
of Edward's shop, Margaret.
I really love all the historical buildings in the town.
Never Mind.
Sandy
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Glad to have been of help. I hope you are successful in finding Edward's will.
Nicky
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I wish I had seen this post before Thursday as I took photographs of
Oundle War Memorial in the Market area and could have taken them
of Edward's shop, Margaret.
I really love all the historical buildings in the town.
Never Mind.
Sandy
Oh, never mind, Sandy, but thank you for thinking of me. You have been really helpful also with regard to this branch of the family, which I really appreciate.
Margaret :)
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Glad to have been of help. I hope you are successful in finding Edward's will.
Nicky
Thanks Nicky,
Margaret :)
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Dear Margaret 1 and NicciH
I have just discovered your comments which are very helpful. I live in Oundle and I am researching the stained glass donated to Elton Church. There are three fine windows by Morris and Co given in memory of the Peach or Newman family. From what you say there is an interesting connection between the two families.
The earliest window is for Edward Peach d.21.11.1891 and his sister Marianne Peach d. 29.3.1875 and they lived at Bramston House according to your information. This window has images of Joseph and Martha. Martha in the gospels is portrayed is portrayed as the practical housekeeper who chides her holy sister Mary for listening to Jesus all day and doing none of the housework! It is a very unusual choice of subject and I wonder if it is used because Marianne kept house for her brother? Joseph is also an unusual choice of subject - he occurs in nativity scenes but rarely on his own. It is not until the 1950s that we have St Joseph the Worker established in the Roman Catholic Church to counter communist influence in France and Italy. I wondered for a while if this Joseph was Joseph of Arimathea but I think the iconography has a man with a staff and this is usually Joseph, husband of Mary. In some traditions the staff echoes a legend where flowers spring forth with lilies to complement Mary's immaculate conception. Here the staff is plain. Perhaps then, the imagery hints at Edward's lack of children, Joseph too was without issue. If Edward was born out of wedlock, this may be another subtle reference!
You mention Edward being born of John and Mary Peach who were married in Elton in 1809, but there is a story of the Edward Newman being the father. So I assume we think John Peach may have fathered 2 children and perhaps died and then Mary and Edward meet and reproduce at The Bell!
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The Newman Connection can then be traced in two further windows. In the tower is a very fine window of the death of St Stephen, who is portrayed as a handsome young man, between two angels.
It is inscribed 'In memory of Edward Newman of Barnsley born 30th June 1868 and entered into rest 19th June 1893. He was thus 25 years old and this explains the iconography of the young man. It is puzzling why a young man from Barnsley should be commemorated here unless it is because of his close connection with Edward Peach, who did not die for another 3-4 years. Perhaps he regarded him as a grandson.
There is a third window dedicated, 'To the glory of God and in memory of Maria Newman entered into rest 23.2.1904 and Denis Newman entered into rest when at Nainital (a hill station in north India!) 22.6.1901. The is a figure of Christ in heaven surrounded by winged angel faces and below in the centre is an angel holding a scroll with the last two verses of the medieval latin hymn, Stabat Mater. To the left is a woman in blue who should be the Blessed Virgin Mary, and this is above the inscription Maria Newman. To the right of the angel is a male figure in armour and with a beard. So it cannot be St John who is always beardless and it is not St George or one of the archangels. The facial features do not look the usual for Morris and Co men and I wonder if it might be a likeness of Denis Newman. If this is the case, he may have been a soldier in India and a likeness may have been supplied by his wife who survived him by 2-3 years. Looking at images of Nainital, which is set in a deep green valley with a lake, the landscape in the window is not dissimilar. The Latin hymn is translated as Let me be shielded by the cross,
protected by Christ's death,
cherished by grace.
When my body dies,
let my soul be given
the glory of paradise. Amen.
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I do not have access to the 1901 census so i have no idea if these Newmans were resident in Oundle or Elton. So are they Barnsley Newmans or some of the Newmans who moved to Oundle when they were left Bramston House?
The last thing to raise is the Fisher connection at Bramston. You mention he bought Bramston house in 1867 from an ironmonger called William Langford Fisher and the book gives the advertisement that Fisher put in the 'Stamford Mercury'. According to the ad, it is a big house with 8 bedrooms, '2 very large Walled Gardens' etc. Earlier he is recorded as being in Fisher's household. It is evident that Fisher was a successful man of business to run a house the size of Bramston.
If you look to Elton where the Peach and Newman families, you will come across the Fishers! Dr Philip Fisher was Rector of Elton from 1787 to 1842 and he may have married the Peach couple. He was resident from 1787 -1804/5? but took the salary and employed curates when he got other better paid jobs a a canon of Norwich and The master of The Charter House in London. He only came back to Elton for respite from London for a few weeks a year. He was the son of the Vicar of St Joh's Peterborough who married in 1766 and as I suspect there were children of that marriage, it could be a link to W L Fisher the merchant of Oundle.
The Fisher connection gets better. Philip's brother was Bishop of Salisbury and Philip's son Canon John Fisher 1788-1832 was a canon of Salisbury and Archdeacon of Berkshire. These two clerics were the friends and patron of the artist John Constable, and comforted him after the death of his wife. A Constable painting of Salisbury Cathedral shows the Bishop and his wife - one among many of the glorious canvasses of the cathedral by him. In Cambridge there is a Constable portrait of John Fisher.
Sorry to be so lengthy!
I would value some clarification of the Peaches and Newmans. It is interesting they seem to have retained contacts with Elton Church for their memorials. I had better check Oundle for memorials too.
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There is an ancestry tree for Edward Peach b. 1817 in Elton which lists him as the third child of John Peach (abt 1779-1848) and Mary Ann Vicars . The other 2 children are Thomas (1812-1851 )and Marianne (1814-1875).
Edward Peach's mother is described in the Bramston book as ' a girl called Peach' so maybe she was a sister of John Peach?
The Northampton Record Office has Edward Peach's will. The Probate Calendar has an entry dated 15 Dec 1891giving his Personal Estate as £12,529 7s 5d. The will was 'proved at Peterborough by Thomas James Newman of Barnsley in the County of York, Solicitor'. There is also an obit for Edward Peach in the Stamford Mercury 27 Nov 1891 page 6. It mentions that he died at Bramston and was interred in Elton churchyard. Also the great success of his business which 'earned the respect of all' . The shops in Oundle were closed during his funeral.
1901 census at Bramston has Thomas James Newman retired solicitor age 74 born in Barnsley with his wife Maria and a 24 year old son called Kingsley who was a 'mechanical engineer' born in London. (in the 1891 census Thomas J. was living in London)
1911 census it is Charles Arnold Newman age 38 with wife Kate and 3 sons - Charles Edward and James Lister both born in London, and Arnold Rudolf who was born in Oundle.
Hope this is helpful
Nicky
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It's been almost eleven years since my last post to this topic and just over five years since Ianbrowne and NicciH last made postings. Firstly to both - I appreciate your help immensely. Thank you!
I will try to make up for lost time so here is an update after all these years:
Ianbrowne, the three stained glass windows by Morris and Co given in memory of the Peach and Newman family sound really beautiful! Oh how I would love to actually sit and contemplate them especially knowing that they are dedicated to my 1st cousins x 3 removed - Edward and Marianne Peach and my 3rd cousins x 1 removed - Edward and Denis Newman and their mother Maria.
Thank you so much for taking the time to post the results of your research thus far.
Regarding the earliest window for Edward Peach d.21.11.1891 and his sister Marianne Peach d. 29.3.1875 - in the 1861 census Edward Peach and his sister Marianne were living at Market Place, Oundle Northamptonshire, his occupation is recorded as an Ironmonger and hers as Housekeeper. They were still living there in 1871, but Marianne had no occupation recorded. The depiction of Marianne, through the images of Martha seems to be accurate - thank you for your description and clear explanation of the imagery and iconography - this is such a bonus! Likewise I agree with your account as to why Joseph's staff is plain - yes, the imagery certainly does hint at Edward's lack of children, and also being born out of wedlock.
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The pieces of the puzzle seems to be falling into place - how wonderful! I'll try to explain:
Regarding the death of St Stephen - the handsome young man depicted in the fine window in the tower between two angels and inscribed 'In memory of Edward Newman of Barnsley born 30th June 1868 and entered into rest 19th June 1893' This relates to Edward Newman who was the eldest son of Maria nee Walton (1838-1904) and Thomas James Newman (1827-1915), the Solicitor and sole Executor/Beneficiary named in the Will of Edward Peach in 1891.
Edward Newman
Edward was baptised on 8 Aug 1868 at Barnsley, St Mary, Yorkshire, England and was the implied Nephew of Edward Peach.
In 1871 census - 2 year old Edward was residing at 98 Sackville Street, Barnsley with his parents, Thomas James Newman 44 Solicitor and Maria 33 ( b Selby Yorkshire), his sister, Mary Lister Newman 4 and brother Maximilian 1 all born Barnsley. plus a Cook, Eliza Barthamley 19 and a Nursemaid. Ellen Amphall 19
In 1878 Edward entered Chesterfield Boys' Grammar Boys School, Chesterfield, Derbyshire, England
In 1881 census 12 year old Edward is enumerated as a boarder/ scholar at 6 Sheffield Road Chesterfield with Francis B Allison 41 Clerk in Holy Orders Head Master at Ches' Grammar without care of souls ( Francis B's occupation in 1871 census is recorded as Clergyman without care of souls Mathematical and Scientific Master Derby School - he was educated at Cambridge University) and his wife Eliza 38. Eliza Allison nee Walton was Edward's aunt and his mother Maria's sister.
In 1891 census 22 year old Edward is recorded as being a Boarder/ Articled Clerk to Solicitor/Law at 3 Torrington Square Bloomsbury St George, London, England in the household of James Craggs 76 Lodging House Keeper and his wife Sarah 64
Edward died age 24 Apr-May-Jun qtr 1893 and his death is registered in Barnsley Yorkshire West Riding.
I have been unable to find a burial for him.
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To recap:
Thomas James Newman was the son of Mary Lister (c1803-1859) and Edward Newman (1798-1879) who was also the implied father of Edward Peach.
Edward Newman 1868 - 1893 was the eldest son of Maria nee Walton (1838-1904) and Thomas James Newman (1827-1915), the Solicitor and sole Executor/Beneficiary named in the Will of Edward Peach in 1891. They had seven children all born in Barnsley Yorkshire
Regarding the third window with dedications to Denis and Maria Newman:
Denis Newman
Thomas James Newman and Maria Walton had another son, Denis, born 4 Jun 1874 in Barnsley who was an Oxford Scholar in 1892 - England, Oxford Men and Their Colleges, 1880-1892 - Name Denis Newman, Birth Place: Barnsley York. University College, matric 15 Oct 1892 age 18 from Wellington Coll.
Denis Newman died 22 June 1901 Nainital India.
In 1881 Denis 6 years was living at 96, Sackville Street, Barnsley, Yorkshire with his parents Thomas J. 54 Solicitor and Maria 43 and siblings Charles A 8, Kingsley 4 and Monica M 3 plus a Cook, Nurse and Housemaid
In 1891 Denis 16 years, Scholar is living at 102 & 104, Sackville Street, Barnsley, with his parents and brother Maximilian 21 Surveyor's Clerk plus a Parlour Maid, Cook and Housemaid.
On 26 Aug 1899 Denis Newman age 25 b1874 arrived in Liverpool England aboard the ship Oceanic from New York USA. According to the Passenger List, he travelled 1st class.
Denis Newman died 22 June 1901 Nainital India.
British India Office Deaths & Burials
Buried in Naini Tal Civil Cemetery on June 24 1901. Cause of death: Enteric Fever
Profession: Private Secretary to His Highness Maharaja Gaekwad of Baroda
The Executor of his Will is named as C A Newman who is most likely his brother, Charles Arnold Newman (Arnold Charles Newman).
Arnold Charles Newman took over Bramston in 1904 and sold it to Oundle School in 1917.
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Maria Newman
Maria Newman nee Walton was born in 1834 in Selby Yorkshire and died 23 Feb 1904 St Marylebone, London, to parents Rev John Leidger Walton (Vicar of Silkstone) 1806-1880 and Eliza Kingsley 1816-1890.
Baptised 30 Jul 1837 Selby Yorkshire England
Married Thomas James Newman 11 Aug 1865 Silkstone with Stainborough, All Saints, Yorkshire, England. They had 7 children all born Barnsley and baptised Barnsley, St Mary, Yorkshire, including Denis Newman 1874-1901.
In 1841 census Maria 3 years is living in Selby Yorkshire with her parents John Walton 35 Clerk Incumbent. and Eliza 25 and three siblings.
In 1851 census Maria 13 is living in the parish of Silkstone with parents John L 45 Vicar of Silkstone, Eliza 35, five siblings and a Governess, Nurserymaid, Housemaid and a Cook
In 1861 census Maria 23 is living in the parish of Silkstone with parents John L 55 Vicar of Silkstone, Eliza and 5 siblings and a Housemaid and a Cook
In 1871 census Maria 33 living at 98 Sackville Street Barnsley Yorkshire with husband Thomas J Newman 44 Solicitor, children Mary Lister Newman 4 and Edward 2 plus a Nursemaid and Cook.
In 1881 census Maria 43 is living at 96 Sackville Street Barnsley with husband, Thomas J 54 Solicitor and children, Charles A 8, Denis 6, Kingsley 4 and Monica M 3 plus a Cook, Nurse and Housemaid
In 1891 census Maria 53 is living at 102-104 Sackville Street Barnsley with husband Thomas J 64 Solicitor and sons Maximilian 21 Surveyor's Clerk and Denis 16 plus a Parlour Maid, Cook and Housemaid.
In 1901 Maria 63 is living at Bramston House, Market Street Oundle Northamptonshire with husband Thomas James 74 Retired Solicitor and Children Kingsley 24 Mechanical Engineer, Monica Mary 22, Ellen Bramell Wid 73 Visitor plus a Parlour Maid and a Housemaid.
Maria Newman died in 1904 aged 66 years. Her death is registered in Jan-Feb-Mar qtr at St Marylebone London.
I have been unable to find a burial for her.
I think it's safe to say that the third window is dedicated to Denis and his mother Maria.
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The Fisher Connection
Thank you Ianbrowne for all the information and history pertaining to Dr Philip Fisher and his family - I will follow this up soon regarding the possibility of connecting the two Fisher families as well as reading more about Dr Philip's brother and son's friendship with John Constable - Wow!
Dr Philip Fisher, Rector of Elton from 1787 to 1842 may well have married John Peach and Mary Viccars in 1809, unfortunately I don't have a copy of the actual marriage certificate, only the record of their marriage so I can't check.
It's interesting though that Rev. Philip Fisher, was Master of Charterhouse and was buried there in 1842 as my great great grandparents, Benjamin and Rachel Matthews nee Viccars (Mary Peach nee Viccars' sister) worked and lived at Charterhouse. Benjamin died in 1835 and there is an MI for him in Charterhouse Chapel burials……24 Feb 1835 Benjamin Matthews, husband of Rachel Matthews, a housemaid to the Charterhouse, 58 years. In 1841 census, Rachel was enumerated as a retired house servant, living in Charterhouse, East London nbic.
In 1861 Rachel was living in Elton with her daughter Mary Ann Matthews. She died in 1862 in Oundle and is buried in Elton Churchyard along with her family - see link for details of the burials including John Peach and Mary nee Viccars and their children and details of the four sided Memorial with Inscriptions etc.,
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=465818.msg3400698#msg3400698
Margaret :D