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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Yorkshire (East Riding & York) => Topic started by: Gibby1968 on Sunday 11 July 10 13:49 BST (UK)
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My 2x great grandfather was born in Oakworth, West Yorkshire in 1862.
He married Sarah Jane Sadler in 1896 in Keighley, West Yorkshire and all their children except the eldest were born in Southburn, East Yorkshire. The first child was born in Keighley, West Yorkshire in 1897 and died in 1900 in the same area, two months after my great grandmother Mary Hartley was born.
His children were;
Joseph (1897-1900)
Mary (1900-1973)
Millicent (1902-1973)
James (1903-1959)
William (1907-1982)
Alice (1911-2004)
I am assuming he and his wife moved so he could find work in the area; he was a domestic gardener.
How do I find out more about him? Thanks.
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Do you have his fathers name?
Have you found him on the 1881 census - there is an entry with a birthplace of Admiregill Yorks which may be him
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Hello,
Carole - don't think that's him the age is wrong.
Gibby, the marriage certificate would give you his father's name.
I am wondering if this is him- and if so he was married before.
Free BMD marriage:
1886 to Caroline Eastop
1892 death of Caroline Hartley- 29 yrs
1891 RG12; Piece: 3539; Folio 93; Page 11
Springfield House Keighley
Sarah Ann Dean 64 yrs Living on own means b Keighley
Moses Hartley 28 yrs Gardener b Keighley
Carolina Hartley 28 yrs servant b London
1881 RG11; Piece: 4346; Folio: 129; Page: 25
with parents and siblings
born Bingley
1871 RG10; Piece: 4315; Folio: 62; Page: 19
with family
born Bingley
best wishes
heywood
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Yes, I have researched the Hartley family back a few generations using IGI, I just have to check it all.
My Moses was the son of James Hartley who was born about 1834 in Trawden, Lancashire. His wife was Ann Hartley (formerly Leach).
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James Hartley married Ann Leach in the September quarter of 1856 in Keighley, West Yorkshire. I have still to apply for his marriage certificate.
The children were;
John William (1857-1884)
Joseph (c1861)
Moses (1862-1916)
Mary Elizabeth (1865-1899)
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I have Moses on all the census' right up to and including 1911.
On the 1901 census he is with his wife Sarah Jane and daughter Mary who until recently I thought was the eldest child until I discovered there was another child before her that is mentioned on the 1911 census.
It says 6 children born and 5 still living.
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Hello again,
if you have the census information- what else are you trying to find out about him?
The missing child may have died in between the others and may not necessarily be the oldest child.
heywood
Just looked at your first message and you mention 6 children ??? so you have that info.
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I've already stated that the eldest child died and I have to follow that up.
What I'm trying to find out is why/when he might have gone to Southburn.
Before and after this time he is living in West Yorkshire.
I wonder if he just moved to find work or whether family events triggered the move.
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Oh I see :)
That wasn't very clear in your first post, nor was the post about the missing child.
I was trying to help you with the census information and the first marriage.
However, I understand what you mean now.
best wishes
heywood
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I'm sorry I didn't make it very clear.
He was in Southburn between 1900 and 1911 and thereafter in Keighley, West Yorkshire.
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I would imagine he was just following work. 1901 has him as a Gardener domestic, I think so there are no clues there.
He doesn't appear to be living on an estate where he may be working and 1911 he has gone back to his home area.
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Just wonder if you were aware that your g g grandfather was musical?
According to the The Leeds Mercury on Thursday, October 6, 1892, from Gale Databases,
On Wednesday, October 5th, 1892 at Oakworth, Wesleyan Chapel, Moses Hartley was in action at a wedding.
"The wedding service was fully choral, special hymns being rendered by the chapel choir under the leadership of Moses Hartley, while Mr. Seth Burwin gave several organ voluntaries."
In the election of 1872, a Moses Hartley of Pellon Lane, Halifax is mentioned as being a supporter of the Liberal Party candidate.
Tom
Tom
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I had no idea!
I just knew he was a domestic gardener, husband and father.
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Not sure if this is my Moses. Not aware that he lived in Halifax.
He was born in Oakworth where he lived with his parents and siblings and later in Southburn and Oakworth with his wife and children.
I'll check it out though, thanks :)
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It was the Oakworth Wesleyan Chapel section that caught my eye to start with, as opposed to the Halifax article.
Tom
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Thanks Tom :)
There may be something in it. Where can I access this information? Sounds interesting.
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Its great fun, have sent you a PM.
Tom
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I was sent this picture a couple of days ago.
On the back it says Moses Hartley of Oakworth.
The lady who sent it to me said she doesn't know anything about it other than that it was amongst some pictures belonging to a relative.
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Hi Gibby...Don't know if there is a connection but thought you might be interested in this:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,383540.0.html
It's a lovely photo.
Carol
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My Hartley clan came from Trawden/Colne and settled in Oakworth where my Moses was born.
I've seen the other thread. Nice man :)
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I now know the person who sent me this photo is a chap.
He contacted me today through ancestry to say that the name Moses Hartley appears twice in the guest book of Middleton Hall near Kirkby Lonsdale.
I remembered that I have a photo of some sweet peas grown by Moses in 1910 and on the back there is some writing about the flowers.
I compared it with the images I have been sent today and I think they are the same writing though I am no expert.
All his children married after he died so he does not appear in the few images I have of their weddings.
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He died in 1916.