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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Nottinghamshire => Topic started by: Carleton on Tuesday 13 July 10 03:53 BST (UK)
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Hello, :)
My first introduction to the RAWSON family began a short time ago with the research of Catherine Emily RAWSON, b. abt. 1860 in Nottingham. She married John ORR, later Vicar of Asted in Birmingham. One of her children married into my paternal family in Lancashire. I have Catherine on the various censuses before her marriage (in Nottingham) and after her marriage to John ORR in Birmingham.
Catherine Emily RAWSON was the daughter of Francis George RAWSON, Solicitor and Trustee (U.S. Consular Agent in Nottingham, 1862-1871). He was born in St. Mary, Staining, Leicestershire abt. 1834, son of George RAWSON (also a Solicitor) and Eliza (no surname). Francis died at Basford, Nottinghamshire in 1886. Catherine's mother was Sarah Ann(e) SMITH of whom I have no knowledge of whatsoever other than her marriage to Francis RAWSON 11 Oct. 1859 in Cotgrave, Nottinghamshire.
If there is anyone on the list who can shed any light on any of these RAWSONs as well as Sarah Ann(e) SMITH, I would be delighted to hear from you. From what I have learned, these RAWSONs were prominent citizens of Nottingham.
Any help would be gratefully appreciated.
Dorothy
Ottawa, Canada
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Hi Dorothy
Here are a couple of baptisms if you haven't already got them
Catherine Emily Rawson to Francis George & Sarah Anne Rawson baptised 2.7. 1860 at St Nicholas, abode Clinton Terr. occ. Solicitor
Frances Ann E Rawson to Francis George & Sarah Anne Rawson baptised 15.6. 1863 at St Peters, abode Clinton Terr. occ Solicitor
Carol
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wonder if this is Sarah Ann premarriage??
1851
Castle Gate Nottingham
John Smith head M 53 solicitor Basford Notts
Anne wife 40? Alfreton Derbys
Thomas Son U 19 articled clerk St Nicholas Nottingham
SARAH ANN daughter 18 St Nicholas Nottingham
Catherine A daughter 15 St Nicholas Nottingham
Mary Rogers servant 22 cook Cropwell Butler
Fortune Crampton servant 20 Housemaid Cropwell Butler
HO107 2133 517
if Francis death reg is Mar qtr 1886 Basford -then he could have died late 1885-Mar 1886 and Basford is the district where death was registered - not necessarily the town/village where the death took place.
Basford reg district covers a wide area -part of Nottinghamshire and ppart of Derbyshire.
As they were living in part of Nottingham which came within Basford reg district in 1871/1881 possibly that is where he died -and not in Basford
Marriage cert for Francuis George and Sarah Ann would give father's names and occupations
Death cert would give place of death
They can be ordered online from GRO
Suz
Suz
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this could explain why Sarah Ann married in Cotgrave?????
1871
Cotgrave Village Nottingham
Thomas Smith head U 39 nFarmer of 250 acres emp 3 lab 5 boys Nottingham
Anne Smith mother widow 60 Alfreton Derbys
(plus a cook and a housemaid)
RG10 3548 99 34
Suz
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It seems Catherine Emily Rawson was named after her mum and dad's sisters
Sarah Ann Smith (if we have the correct one) had a sister Catherine Smith
and Francis George Rawson had a sister Emily Georgiana Rawson
It seems Francis George's parents lived at bestwood hall in 1851
1841
Low Pavement St Peters Nottingham
George Rawson 30 solicitor no
Eliza 30 yes
Francis 8 no
Emily 4 Yes
plus 3 servants)
HO107 871 43 24
1851
Bestwood park lenton Nottingham
George Rawson head M 41 solicitor Leics St Margarets
Eliza wife 42 basford Notts
1861
Bestwood Hall
Lenton
Notts
Eliza Rawson head widow 52 Householder Basford Notts
Emily Georgeanna Rawson daughter single 23 Nottingham
Frederick Drage visitor single 31 Lieutant in Army Isle of Ely Cambs
plus 3 servants
RG9 2450 100 11
then there is this marriage FreeBMD
Sept qtr 1861
Leicester
7a 258
on same page
Emily Georgeanna Rawson
Frederic Drage
The History of the parish and priory of lenton states " ... leading to bestwood hall the residence of George Rawson Esq."
there is also a reference to the consectration of a local church ".. important local visitors ... Mr George Rawson of Bestwood Park"
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Bestwood hall became the Headquarters of National Coal Board no 6 area and we worked there in the late 1960's -I think the building has now gone - and Bestwood Park is a consevation area - although haven't visited in a long time
Hope this helps
Suz
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It seems Frederic Drage married 2 Rawson ladies
He married Emily Georgeana Rawson (sister of Francis george Rawson)
Emily died 1882
death reg FreeBMD
Emily Georgina Drage
age 45
Jun qtr 1882
Medway
Kent
2a 292
marriage freeBMD
Dec qtr 1883
Knaresboro
9a 194
on same page
Henrietta Rawson
Frederick Drage
it looks like Henrietta Rawson was the cousin of Emily Georgina Rawson (and of Francis george rawson)
Hope you can follow my train of thought
1871
Folksworth Hunts
Emma Augusta Rawson Head W 52 Buckingham
Sarah A Rawson daughter U 35 Leics
HENRIETTA RAWSON daughter U 30 Leics
Margaretta daughter U 22 Leics
FREDERICK DRAGE Boarder M 41 Major on half pay Late Dep Batt Little Downham Cambs
EMY G DRAGE boarder M 33 Nottingham
Frederick S Drage boarder 8 Welyn Herts
Emy A Boarder 7 Sterling Castle
Anna S Walsh 12 Woolwich Kent
Edith C Walsh 12 Woolwich Kent
RG10 1514 42 9
1891 Rose hill Totteridge Herts
FREDERIC DRAGE Head m 61 Retired major HM Army Little Downham Cambs
HENRIETTA DRAGE wife 50 leicester
Emily Alice Drage daughter U 27 Sterling WB
Mary Mildred Annes visitor 23 London
plus 3 servants
RG12 1054 108 18
1881 Emma Augusta Rawson and some of her daughters are schoolmistresses in Harrogate Yorks -Emily Drage is with them as a French Governess
RG11 4328 15 24
Frederick had died by 1901 and his dau7ghter Emily was living with henrietta
It looks like Henrietta Rawson was the daughter of henry Rawson and Emma Augusta
and Henry Rawson was probably the brother of george R$awson -who was the father of Francis George Rawson!!!
1841
Castle Gate Leicester
Henry Rawson 37 Hosier Yes
Emma 30 no
Sarah 5 yes
William 3 yes
Henrietta 11 mths yes
plus 3 servants
HO107 604 28 33 14
1861
Church Gate leicester
Henry Rawson Head M 56 Manufacturer of Wool Hose Leics
Emma A wife 49 Buckingham
Sarah A daughter 25 leicester
Henrietta daughter 20 Leicester
Margaretta daughter 12 Leicester
plus 2 servants
RG9 2292 40 17
then there are these baptisms IGI
all at Bishop St Weslyan Leicester
alll to parents Richard Rawson/Elizabeth
George Rawson b. 20Sept 1807 c. 14 oct 1807
Bertie Rawson b. 18 Sept 1806 c. 17 Oct 1806
Jessica Rawson b.5 Ap 1802 c. 3 May 1802
Henry Rawson b 18 Jan 1800 c. 10 Feb 1800
Robert Rawson c. 25 Jun 1795
Eliza Rawson b. 15 Apr 1798 c. 7 May 1798
John Charles Rawson b.16 Sept 1809 c. 3 Oct 1809
Suz
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EDITED - As subsequent posts will show, the Rawsons can be confusing and I may have got the parents wrong here - nonetheless I'm confident of the family background! Will post more, probably tomorrow, when I've had a chance to look through my notes!
I believe that George Rawson, the solicitor, is/was the brother of one of my direct ancestors and if that is the case, I have quite a lot of info about this family. Unfortunately the info I have about George is still in scattered notes!
If this is indeed the right family, this is a quick summary of the info I have:
George Rawson was the son of James Rawson jnr, a hosiery manufacturer of Leicester (Rawson + Sons). I have several of the family's wills; they were indeed pretty wealthy. I have never been able to find George's baptism but he is mentioned in his father's will and other traces of his business lead me to beleive that this is the same George. George's father James and his uncle Richard were both Mayors of Leicester. George's oldest sister, Mary Ann, was my direct ancestor.
I believe that George married Eliza Pearson, daughter of Joseph Pearson, a bleacher of High Pavement, Nottingham. The Pearsons came from Basford and the family trade was that of bleaching - Joseph seems to have done pretty well for himself.
Just to confuse a bit further - George's mother was born Ann Pearson in Basford, and yes, she was from that same family - she was neice to Joseph. She married James Rawson in 1801 in Basford and I have wondered if it was an arranged marraige - the oldest son of a hosiery manufacturer marrying the oldest daughter of the owner of a bleaching firm from a nearby town!
As I say, I have a lot of info and snippets about these families; and you can download the wills for several Rawsons of Leicester from National Archives. NB some of the info about the James Rawson on the Leicester city council website (re his being mayor) is incorrect, but was copied straight from an old book rather than being researched - or so the folk at Leic records office have suggested to me!
Please feel free to ask more or to email me and I'm happy to accept any more info -- or indeed any corrections to the above!
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there is a christening IGI extracted
George Rawson 28 Aug 1798 St Martins Leics Parents James Rawson/Mary
also
Mary Ann Rawson c.22 May 1796 Parents james Rawson/mary
I don't suppose this is your Mary Ann ??
so many Rawsons!!!!!
Suz
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George Rawson m Eliza Pearson on 6 Aug 1831 at St Mary's church, Nottingham.
If you email the archives office at Nottingham, they will advise you whether they can send you a photocopy of the marraige registration. It won't confirm parents but the witnesses may give you some clues!
Childrens' baptisms are listed as:
Augustus Edward 21.9.1834
Richard Henry 7.11.1835
Emily Georgiana 12.7.1837
all of High Pavement, Nottingham; baptisms carried out at St Peter's church, Notts.
There are burials listed for Augustus Edward, age 5 months, 29.1.1835, and Richard Henry, aged 1, 30.5.1837
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James Rawson m Mary Watkinson, St Martin's, Leic 1778; the Rawsons that Suzard has found may be their children?
Their oldest son James is my ancestor; he married in 1802, to Ann Pearson, in Basford, then moved back to Leicester.
There was also a George Rawson bapt in 1807 in Leicester, son of Richard Rawson and Elizabeth Mann. Richard was another son of James snr so brother to James jnr.
You're not joking about the Leic Rawsons, I've spent hours trying to disentangle them!
I think I'll have to double check which James left items in the will to George Rawson but that will take me a bit of time! Sorry - I think I may be muddying the waters here! Will respond again when I've had another look at my paperwork though that will probably not be today.
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Ha ha ha - just checked George in 1851, to get an idea of DOB, and Ancestry has transcribed his POB as "Margate Krid, Liechtenstein"!!
but it gives his age as 43 - so yob 1808ish - so probably Richard's son rather than James jnrs? Sorry!
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Hi,
I am overwhelmed with the information that I received from all of you - Carol, Suzard, and Annie. Thanks so much! You are great researchers. I printed out your messages and have been studying them ever since. With so many names, it has taken a while to sink in but it is all very clear to me now.
I agree with you Suz, I believe that the Sarah Ann Smith shown on the 1851 census at Castle Gate with father, John and mother, Ann is indeed the one I am looking for. However, I will order Francis' and Sarah Ann's marriage certificate from the GRO. The 1871 (Cotgrave Village) census showing Sarah Ann's brother, Thomas with mother, Ann is certainly a wonderful fit.
I had the 1841/1851 census for George Rawson but not the 1861 showing Fred. Drage and eventually his two marriages. There were obviously slews of Rawsons in the vicinity of Nottinghamshire and Leicestershire - and all appeared to be quite wealthy. Thanks - all of you for this great information.
I was looking around the internet the other night and found a site on the Bromley Library. There is information there concerning George Rawson, Francis G. Rawson and Sarah Ann Rawson (wife of Francis). George Rawson was a subscriber to the library 6/1/1834 to 2/9/1861; he was a member of the committee in 1842 and was nominated as a new trustee on 28/2/1848. When George died, his share was transferred to his son Francis. Francis George Rawson was a subscriber from 2/9/1861 to 7/9/1886. When Francis died, his share was transferred to his wife, Sarah whose address was The Firs, Holme Pierrepont. She was a subscriber from 7/9/1886 to 7/4/1903 (no. of shares: 187 (counterfoil dated 9/2/1901).
There are other Rawsons mentioned on this site should anyone be interested - namely, Thomas Rawson, a member of the ‘Town Class’ of the White Lion Book Society in 1788-89, William Bacon (W. B.) Rawson, (d. 1829). It is likely that this was the son of William Ford Rawson, and lastly, William Ford Rawson who signed the Library Rules (1816-1830). Just makes me think they might all be related. There is also another Rawson connection.....James Ashwell, b. abt. 1799 presumably in Nottingham, married a Susan Rawson, no information. James' father was John Ashwell, who supplied grates to replace the fire baskets that were in Bromley House at the time of the purchase.
The bill for £24 13s 9d was thought excessive and may have been for the cast iron fireplaces. John Ashwell was also a three time Lord Mayor of Nottingham.
The more you work on these Rawsons, the more you think they might all be related in some way.
Kind regards,
Dorothy
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wonder if these are George's parents??
1841
London Rd
Leicester
Richard Rawson 70 Ind
Elizabeth 70
plus 2 servants
both b in county
HO107 604 3 12 16
Suz
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Hi Suz,
Many thanks for the 1841 census for Richard Rawson.
In view of what Annie mentioned yesterday about this man, I found the following on Richard Rawson on the internet this morning.
Second son of James and Mary Rawson of Leic. and brother of Ald. James Rawson, mayor in 1828. He was born 13 and baptized at St. martin’s 17 November 1782, enrolled a freeman 11 September 1804, elected mayor21 September 1834 and re-elected the following September to serve until the end of December 1835, when his term of office as chief citizen of Leic. expired. As may be seen , he was the four hundredth person to occupy the mayoralty since William fil Leveric, in 1209, and the last to serve under the old regime. The passing of the Municipal Reform Act in 1835, which came into full force and operation 1 january 1836, brought about a drastic change in municipal affairs (see Introduction, page xix) on 31 December 1835 Ald. Richard Rawson, with the other members and officials of the old corporation, retired in a body to make room for the newly elected Reformed Corporation, who took over the reins of local government the day following.
Mr. Richard Rawson resided for some years in Princess Street. He died 9 June 1858, aged seventy,five, and was buried at the general cemetery, Welford Road, Leic. M.I. there. Rawson Street, Leic., takes its name from this gentleman's family.
I also found a picture of the Holme residence, Pierrepont, where Sarah Ann (Smith) Rawson was living when her husband (Francis George Rawson) died and willed his share in the Bromley Library to her.
http://www.nottshistory.org.uk/Brown1896/holmepierrepont.htm
Regards,
Dorothy
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Hi Dorothy
I hope you haven't ordered the marriage certificate yet.
Francis George Rawson ,Full age, bac, Solicitor, Lenton, father George Rawson, Solicitor.
Sarah Anne Smith, Full age, sp, Cotsgrave, father John Smith, Solicitor.
Witnessed by
GM Smith
John Smith
Carol
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Hi Carol,
Thank you so much for sharing Francis George Rawson's and Sarah Ann Smith's marriage certificate with me. It was very kind of you to do this. I was going to order it today.
Regards,
Dorothy
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Yes, the Rawsons are complicated! But I too think that the vast majority, if not all, of those well-off families in Leicestershire in the 18-19 centuries were related.
I also think, though haven't proved it, that there may well be a Pearson-Rawson link back in the mists of time. The Pearsons were from Basford, there were several Rawson families in Basford too, and there was a degree of intermarrying between the two. Weren't many marraiges between well-off families arranged?
Re George Rawson b around 1809. I've looked again and I can't see him mentioned on wills, so I must apologise for that! But I have come across his name prior to this thread and felt he was linked to my Rawsons.
There are just 2 George Rawsons baptised in Leicestershire according to familysearch. Richard and Elizabeth's son was bapt in the wesleyan chapel; Charles and Lydia's son was bapt in St Margaret.
I have wills for 2 of Richard's brothers and George isn't mentioned in either, although one of those brothers had no children and (kindly, from a genealogists POV!) listed lots of nephews and nieces, including 2 other sons of Richard and Elizabeth. But no George.
What about posting on the Leicester board and see if anyone (Mike, for example!) has details about the deaths of any George Rawsons - to eliminate them?
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more mud into the waters!
It looks like Henrietta Rawson was the daughter of henry Rawson and Emma Augusta
and Henry Rawson was probably the brother of george R$awson -who was the father of Francis George Rawson!!!
I think this Henry was the son of Richard Rawson and Elizabeth Mann, one of those bapt as noncon.
Richard's son Henry is featured in a family will from 1830. Henry's brother Edward is named as a hosier although Henry's occ isn't given; however he is offered the chance to buy a house, under the terms of the will, for £1500!! -- so he must have been wealthy!
So if Henrietta was Henry's daughter, and Richard's granddaughter - does that make George any more or less likely to come from the same branch of the Rawsons?
My head is spinning ---!
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Some Rawson building pics - whether or not they're the immediate branch, I suspect they'll be related somewhere along the line!
1. Rawson St, Leicester -- named after the family. They owned many of the buildings in the immediate vicinity.
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2. Crescent Cottage, King St -- Thomas Rawson lived here in 1841 - he was a son of James Rawson the Elder.
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3. The Crescent, King St -- built by James Rawson the Younger around 1828 as his and his family's residence, split between various family members after his death.
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OK - I have tracked down the will of Richard Rawson, the father of Henry and George and several other children bapt as nonconformist (viz above and page1), dated 1844.
There's 17 pages of it! All in squiggly writing! So this is going to take some time to get through! But I will report back when I've made head and tail of it. Don't think that will be tonight!
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Ok, I have skim-read Richard Rawson's will. Tedious or what! 15 pages of legal gibberish! proved in 1844.
This, to clarify, is the will of Richard Rawson b around 1762, married to Elizabeth, father of the noncon-baptised children previously listed. He is listed in the 1841 census as living in London Rd, Leicester, with his wife Elizabeth and two servants. He was the brother of James R the Elder, and so was already on my tree. He's NOT the RR who was mayor of Leicester - the mayoral one was his nephew (son of James the Elder).
Richard's will lists as beneficiaries and executors, 3 sons - Edward, Henry and George (as well as mentioning his wife and 3 other people who don't carry the Rawson name). Unfortunately it doesn't give more detail about these sons. Selfishly he forgot to mention any grandchildren! (Didn't he care about us future geneaologists?!)
So this does at least prove that Richard's son George was still alive in 1844. A lot of property was involved in the will and the family was clearly wealthy.
It doesn't prove that Richard's son George was the solicitor in Nottingham.
Carleton, is there any particular reason why you fixed on different parents for George? You could of course be right but to me it looks as though the jury is still out!
How about - asking on Leic message board for any George Rawson burials between 1807ish - 1840; checking witnesses at George's marraige in case of helpful names; and I'll bet any money that George would have had a will - can it be traced? Maybe it would mention siblings?
I haven't looked at the censuses to see if there are any other leicester-born George Rawsons of the right sort of age still alive in 1841 and later - are there?
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Hi,
Re Annie's message this morning & Richard Rawson b. 1762:
Because of the year that Richard Rawson was born (1762), I would say that this Richard "might" be the grandfather of *George Rawson, solicitor and father of Francis George Rawson, b. 1834 (who md. Sarah Ann(e) Smith.
Things we do know:
We have have the 1841/1851 census images for father, *George. In 1841, George is shown with wife, Eliza - both are aged 30 (rounded out), along with their two children, Francis (George), aged 8 and Emily, aged 4. There are no other children.
In 1851, only Francis (this time shown as Frances George) appears with his parents along with 4 servants. Father, George is aged 43, solicitor, b. in St. Margaret's, Leicester; Eliza is aged 42, b. in Basford, Notts. They are living in Bestwood Park. Daughter, Emily Georgeanna is not with them. (St. Margaret's Church was C of E.
On the image for the 1861 census, Lenton, Eliza is shown as, widow, aged 52, householder, b. Basford, Notts. With her is daughter Emily Georgeanna aged 23 unmarr. and visitor, Fred. Drage, Lt. in the army, whom Emily Geo. eventually marries (as per Suz.)
Therefore, *George Rawson died bet. 1851-1861. Again, I make reference to the Bromley Library information:
George Rawson
Subscriber: 6/1/1834 to 2/9/1861. (year of death?)
Committee: 1842.
He was nominated as a new trustee on 28/2/1848.
Deceased.
The share was transferred to F.G. Rawson.
Annie writes: Carleton, is there any particular reason why you fixed on different parents for George? You could of course be right but to me it looks as though the jury is still out!
This is strictly IGI info which we all know sometimes can be very unreliable. However, based on the ages of George on the censuses, the dates fit. The IGI shows a George Rawson, b. 08 September 1809/chr 18 Sept. 1809 St. Margaret's Leicester. Parents are George Rawson and Lydia. A children search for George and Lydia turned up nothing, unfortunately.
All the above information points to the George Rawson born in 1809.
I will definitely try the Leicester forum later.
Regards,
Dorothy
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---but Richard Rawson -- the one who wrote the will and who was bapt 1768 (not 62, my apologies) -- had a son called George, baptised 1807.
St Margaret's is a church in Leicester but also an area of Leicester. Whilst the majority, I suppose, of people born in St Margarets district would have been baptised in the corresponding church, there would be nothing to stop the non-conformists of the area being baptised elsewhere.
Just checked Ancestry -- there is another George Rawson in the 1841 and 1861 censuses, living with his wife Ann and children in the St Margarets's district of Leicester, b 1811/1808 - he's a framework knitter.
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Re Richard Rawson b. 1762.....thanks, Annie. You wrote:
"Just checked Ancestry -- there is another George Rawson in the 1841 and 1861 censuses, living with his wife Ann and children in the St Margarets's district of Leicester, b 1811/1808 - he's a framework knitter."
This looks like him - He was chr 23 Feb. 1762 St. Margaret's, Leicester, son of Thomas Rawson and Mary. George married Ann Wood 24 Feb. 1784 at St. Margaret's, Leicester and had the following children:
Thomas Rawson, b. 18 March 1785/chr 20 March 1785 St. Margaret's Leicester;
George Rawson, b. 31 Oct. 1786/chr 01 Nov. 1786 St. Margaret's Leicester; Susannah Rawson b. 31 Dec. 1788/chr 01 Jan. 1789 St. Margaret's Leicester.
Another George Rawson for consideration as father of George Rawson who md. Eliza.
I found the following earlier today at - http://www.broxtowehundred.co.uk/nottnew.htm....Nottingham in the News. A woman from N. S. W. did these transcriptions of births, marriages, deaths plus other snippets. You might already have seen this?
Wednesday 17 August 1831, Derby Mercury (5170)
Marriages - On Saturday *se'nnight by the Rev. George Wilkens, D.D., Mr. George Rawson, solicitor, Leicester, to Eliza, 4th daughter of Mr. Joseph Pearson of The High Pavement, Nottingham.
Wednesday 31 May 1826, Derby Mercury (4899)
Marriages - Thursday, the 25th instant, at St. Mary's, Nottingham, by the Rev. George Wilkens, D.D., Vicar, Mr. George Renshaw, to Sarah, eldest daughter of Mr. Joseph Pearson of The High Pavement.
Wednesday, 11 January 1832, Derby Mercury (5191)
Marriages - At. St. Mary's, Nottingham, on Tuesday, the 3rd instant, by the Rev. George Wilkens, D.D., Samuel, youngest son of the late John Renshaw, Esq. of Owthorpe Hall, to Elizabeth, second daughter of Mr. Joseph Pearson of The High Pavement.
*se'nnight: archaic (15 th century) phrase meaning a seven-day period.
Haven't posted on the Leicestershire board yet but will do so in the morning. I also intend to email the Leicester records office and see if they will give me the information on who George Rawson's (of Eliza) father (parents) were. Some of the record offices I have written over the years have been very helpful, not all, however.
Regards,
Dorothy
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I have seen the marraige announcement for George and Eliza before, though I don't have a copy of it.
I'm really confused by the first part of your prev post though. Since the FWK George, living in St Mgt, was born (according to the censuses) between 1808 - 1811, of what relevance are the other people baptised in the 1780s?
Proof is missing but this is the picture as it seems to me:
2 George Rawsons baptised in Leicester around 1808ish - 1 in St Margarets, 1 in Bishop St Wesleyan.
2 Leicester-born George Rawsons in subsequent censuses of the correct age - one is a wealthy solicitor in nottinghamshire, married to a Pearson girl from Basford, the other is a FWK in St Margarets, leicester.
One set of parents for a George - Lydia and Charles - we know nothing about (the St Mgt baptism).
The other set (Bishop St Wesleyan) we know quite a lot about - Richard and Elizabeth -- a wealthy family, made their money from the textile trade and property; a known link with the Basford Pearson family insomuch as a nephew of Richard married Ann Pearson, who was a first cousin of the Eliza Pearson who married George Rawson. Another link is through Henrietta Rawson, granddaughter of Richard via his son Henry (Henry is also featured in the will) - Henrietta is mentioned in responses above.
Whilst I know the Rawson trees aren't straightforward, and I acknowledge that proof is lacking, it seems to me far more likely that Richard and Eliz's son (who we know, from the will, was still alive in the 1840s) would be a wealthy solicitor linked with the Pearsons, rather than a FWK in the backstreets of St Mgt.
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Bump!
Carleton, did you find George Rawson's date of death?
He died 6 March 1861 at Bestwood Park. Estate "under £14000".
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Hi, I am new here. Trying to find my great uncle, Derek Rawson, son of Louis William Henry and brother of John Willoughby. Derek had James, Christopher and Georgina born between 1936 and 1944. Derek inherited from his father who died in 1948 in Cheshire though, it seems, had lived in Rhodesia (now Zimbabwe) for some time. We are trying to trace that part of the family history. We would also very much like to trace any known whereabouts of John Willoughby (my grandfather) between 1946 when he left the family home to 1974 when he died in Hounslow. I really would be grateful if anyone has any additional snippets that may be of use! Thanks so much
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Hello Anne and welcome to Rootschat.
I have a fair bit of info about Rawsons in Leicestershire and Nottinghamshire but no Louis Rawson on this tree.
Do you know if there is any link between the people you mention and the midlands?
If so, some dates would help us too. I’m also a little confused about the names of the brothers - John Willoughby, did he have the surname Rawson?
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The plot has just thickened or perhaps become clear!
I have the following on my tree that I think you might want to check out:
Louis William Henry Zimmermann m Agnes Eliza Rawson in 1868.
Their first son, Louis W H Zimmermann, was born 1869 in Lancashire. He m Jannette Cottrill or Cotterill (sorry, no details, it’s quite a distant branch on my tree so I haven’t covered it in depth) and had children including:
Derek Rawson Zimmermann b 1906, Eccles
John Willoughby Zimmermann b 1910, Eccles.
Another “coincidence” - Louis WH’s brother Harold Denton Zimmermann died in Rhodesia in 1962. I am pretty sure that somewhere I have more info about a branch of the family in Rhodesia but I can’t find it right now!
Do you think it’s possible that at some point your family anglicised their name by dropping the Zimmermann?
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Oh - Harold Denton Zimmermann changed his name to Rawson! You can google him —-
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Oh my goodness Annie you are amazing! My mother claimed that there was a Zimmerman in the family with a name change and my uncle totally denied it. Unfortunately my father died so not able to confirm or deny or provide me with more details. This is definitely the missing link in the family. I cannot express how grateful I am. I am onto it. Happy happy happy!
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My pleasure. You and I must be distant cousins!
If you want any more info, let me know. I have details of your Rawson ancestors going back to the mid 1700s.
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I think it is very confusing as there clearly was a name change in addition to Harold and his brother Otto changing their names from Zimmerman to Rawson in about 1913. Do you have any info on the name change or can you advise me where to search? I think the Louis William Henry Zimmerman born in Oct 1869 changed his name to Rawson also as his sons used the name Derek Rawson Rawson and John Willoughby Rawson and they were born in 1905 and 1910. I am using the Ancestry.com website but am a bit of an amateur so am unsure how to find the records! Will keep trying....
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Hi. I found this on the internet and would like to let you know, if you did not already that Harold Denton Zimmermann did change his name to Rawson together with his brother Otto (Boss Jim) and sadly the surname died with my grandfather Dudley Rawson. You can find copies of his journals on their voyage from the UK to Africa online and a little story on the famous Mazoe patrol where Harold helped save settlers. Kind regards Steve
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Hi Steve. I had found the journey stuff but not the stories about the Mazoe patrol so thanks very much for that! I sent you a message on ancestry.com in July with a few questions - did you see it? I have a different death date for Marjorie Luffe who was married to your grandfather Dudley. Also I have your grandfather Dudley with a brother Geoffrey Harold Lewis and a sister Edith Mary whereas you have her name as Charlotte Ethel. Do you have any evidence of Charlotte Ethel? And do you have dates/documents for your mother Val Millroy? It would be great to hear from you and thank you once again for the Mazoe stuff.
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I am the grandson of Harold Denton Rawson originally from Zimbabwe (Rhodesia). Immigrated to the UK in 2006.
My father, late Francis Rawson, was one of 6 children with indigenous women. He changed his name from Zimmerman to Rawson via deed pole. I have may stories about our family, including the white side.
Dexter Otto Rawson
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Hello, welcome to rootschat. I have a lot of info re the Rawson line in the past; if you want any details, feel free to ask!
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Yes a family tree would be great as I have no info on the family in the UK
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Well. I can’t post a whole tree here, I’m afraid!
How far back have you gone with the Rawson name?
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Hi there
I only go back to my grandfather Harold and his children.
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Harold Denton Zimmerman b 1873, d 1963?
pm me and I'll point you towards more info
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Not familiar with this site, how do you pm anyone?
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Currently researching a William Rawson, likely baptized at Castle Gate Independent in 1728. Father possibly also William. William Rawson married a Sarah Whitlock in 1758 at St. Nicholas. Described as a hosier, likely that he died about 1788 or 1789. The only child I have been able to trace was Sarah Rawson who married Frederick Shuttleworth in 1799. She was buried in Friar Lane Vaults, which I assume no longer exists. Any additional information would be of help. Nottingham Archives has a will for William Rawson listed but will have to wait until it reopens.
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Hi and welcome to Rootschat.
The Notts FH CD gives the fllowing baptismal details:
1728 01 08 William son of Mr W. RAWSON NOTTINGHAM Castle Gate, Independent
--- not very helpful really!
There were 3 other baptisms in that time frame to a Mr W Rawson at the same place: Joseph (1724), Samuell (1726) and Isaack (1730). No name is given for the mother.
There was a Nottingham hosier called William Rawson who, as a widow, married Ann Chapman in Leicester in 1748 as well. Ann was from a wealthy family; I believe that she and William had no children. There were a lot of other William Rawsons also marrying in Nottinghamshire in the 1700s! There's no burial in 1788-9 for William on the FHS disc, and I can't see a baptism for Sarah Rawson either, (although my disc is not the most recent edition).
How far back have you gone with your tree?
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Thanks for your reply. The Rawson connection is a modest one - William Rawson married the first daughter of my 5th great grandfather, Nathaniel Whitlock and wife Hannah Matthews. Collecting details of those around them, as their son Matthews Whitlock is my 4th great grandfather and cannot find his baptism. The other children are mostly baptized at High Pavement Chapel and/or St. Mary, but no sign of Matthews. Suspect that he was born about 1733.
Matthews Whitlock (3rd great grandfather) was a hosier and a lace manufacturer baptized 1802 and died in 1879. A great many of the people connected to the family during this time period were linked to lace or other related industries.
I must have an earlier version of the NFHS CD as William Rawson is not listed.
Again, thanks for the reply.
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I have come across what I believe to be an estate administration document dated 1813 related to the daughter of William Rawson (Sarah Shuttleworth) related to property owned by Rawson in Leicestershire. The Find my past document indicates that his residence was Nottingham. Still can't find a death or burial in that time period.
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Can you point me to the document, or give any details of the property? I can see if there's any possible link with any of the properties or locations that I know were owned by my Rawsons.
re the William Rawson that I mentioned above, who married Ann Chapman -- his wife (the same Ann Chapman) was buried in St Mary de Castro, Leicester. William doesn't seem to have been buried with her:
"Here lieth interred the body of Ann Rawson, wife of Mr William Rawson of Nottingham, and daughter of Mr Humphrey Chapman, late one of the Aldermen, and once mayor, of this borough. She departed this life the 16 day of October 1768, in the 60th year of her age".
http://specialcollections.le.ac.uk/digital/collection/p15407coll6/id/3486 (http://specialcollections.le.ac.uk/digital/collection/p15407coll6/id/3486)
of course this may not be the same William but I wonder how many wealthy Notts hosiers called William Rawson, with links to Leicester, there were at the one time.
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On closer examination the document I found online is an administrative bond, referring to "goods chattles and credits" belonging to the late William Rawson of Nottingham. The document is affirmed by Fred Shuttleworth, and relates to his wife, Sarah Shuttleworth, also daughter of William Rawson. It seems to be dated 06 of August 1813. Unfortunately William's date of death is not mentioned.
As I believe you noted, there are a lot of Rawsons in the Nottingham area and I believe this is leading to confusion with many public trees as to which individual belongs to which family. I see mention of a William & Thomas Rawson, hosiers, in 1763 related to an apprenticeship of James Grieves, and I believe these are brothers born in the 1720s, father William Rawson, christened at Castle Gate Meeting (Independent). My William Rawson married Sarah Whitlock on 15 May 1758 at st Nicholas, Nottingham. He was 30 and she is listed as 29, but really was 32
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I'm of the Rhodesian extraction Zimmermam Rawson