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Title: John McKANNA (McKenna) & Mary McQUARIE
Post by: Full on Friday 16 July 10 04:29 BST (UK)
Seeking Birth, death, family info.

So far known:

- Son's (Charles McKenna) marriage certificate (189/001216) 3/3/1898, Smithtown, Macleay River, NSW states parents as John McKenna (deceased) Farmer and Mary McQuarie.

- Son's death notice in Sydney Morning Herald 14/10/1927 says Charles died age 65, was born in Yarras, on the Hastings River, NSW, son of the late John McKanna (Names McKanna and McKenna are mixed - current family name is known as McKanna)

Can't find birth record for Charles or any further info on John or Mary......Anyone help please.
Title: Re: John McKANNA (McKenna) & Mary McQUARIE
Post by: Dundee on Friday 16 July 10 06:53 BST (UK)
Hi there,

Marriage in NSW

2786/1859      MCKENNE, JOHN      MACQUARIE, MARY  ( PORT MACQUARIE )

This marriage cert should give you places of birth and parents' names.

I can also see two daughters, Margaret and Mary to this couple at Port Macquarie but no Charles.  Use the wildcard (an asterisk *) when searching for different surname spellings.    

Debra
Title: Re: John McKANNA (McKenna) & Mary McQUARIE
Post by: Full on Friday 16 July 10 07:49 BST (UK)
Thanks Debra,
I will send away for the certificate, you have been a big help.
I viewed the two daughters on BDM, both McKenna.....I think the name must have changed to McKanna about Charles's time.
I do wonder what Charles's birth was registered under?
Thanks again........Rob :)
Title: Re: John McKANNA (McKenna) & Mary McQUARIE
Post by: Dundee on Friday 16 July 10 10:07 BST (UK)
Hi Rob,

Do you know much about this family?  I am wondering if Mary was the daughter of Charles MacQUARIE and Margaret CAMPBELL, Charles being the nephew of Governor Lachlan MacQUARIE.  I can't see her listed on any of the online family trees, but it will be interesting to see the marriage certificate. 

NSW Baptisms:

1839 Isabella McQUARIE  Charles/Margaret
1840 Mary MacQUARIE    No parents named
1842 Alice MacQUARIE     No Parents named

Debra
Title: Re: John McKANNA (McKenna) & Mary McQUARIE
Post by: Dundee on Friday 16 July 10 10:11 BST (UK)
I have just seen that both Mary and Alice were baptised at Port MacQuarie so I wonder if they were orphans or foundlings.   ???
Title: Re: John McKANNA (McKenna) & Mary McQUARIE
Post by: Full on Friday 16 July 10 12:19 BST (UK)
Hi Debra,

I am following this family from the McKanna (McKenna) side, I will get the certificate ordered tonight but seems to be taking a couple of weeks to come through.
I don't know anything yet of the McQuarie side, but will be interesting to find out. (written as McQuarie on Charles's marriage certificate)
I will let you know the outcome when I get the certificate.

Keep up the great work............Rob
Title: Re: John McKANNA (McKenna) & Mary McQUARIE
Post by: Full on Friday 16 July 10 13:06 BST (UK)
Hi Debra,

Certificate ordered.

Found death index for daughter Mary - Father, John - Mother, Mary
5524/1864 Port Macquarie

Rob
Title: Re: John McKANNA (McKenna) & Mary McQUARIE
Post by: Full on Wednesday 04 August 10 11:45 BST (UK)
Debra,
Marriage Certificate 1859/2786 arrived.
Marriage of John McKenne, age 50, farmer, widower 1 June 1858, born-Ireland
Mary Macquarie, age 22, Servant, Spinster, born NSW.

Parents of John - Felix Mckenne, butcher and Catherine Ford
Parents of Mary - Unknown.

They were married at - RiverThone, Hastings River at the home of Thomas Williams.
Witnesses - Thomas Williams and George James Mumford.

Both John and Mary signed the certificate with their mark X
Title: Re: John McKANNA (McKenna) & Mary McQUARIE
Post by: Full on Wednesday 04 August 10 12:05 BST (UK)
Hi Debra

Also found death record of Helen McKenna (nee Crawford) 5145/1858, Port Macquarie.
Lines up as the ist wife of John.

Rob
Title: Re: John McKANNA (McKenna) & Mary McQUARIE
Post by: Dundee on Wednesday 04 August 10 12:56 BST (UK)
Hi Rob,

I was just going to say the same thing regarding the death of his first wife - a bit of a bonus getting that information on his marriage cert.  The Charles MacQUARIE that I spoke of earlier returned to England with his family, so unfortunately I think you might find that your little Mary was an orphan.  I have to check some baptism records for someone else sometime in the next week so I will have a look at Mary's as well to see if it gives any information.

Looks like John and Helen/Ellen were also married in NSW in 1843, and had children.  This could be Helen/Ellen's arrival:

Lalla Rookh
Arr. NSW Dec 1841

Ellen CRAFFY
aged 20
Dairy Maid
Native of Dunmore, Galway
Under the protection of James HENERY and wife

James was also looking after two other girls, Margaret TOMLIN and Bridget  DURNAN DONELAN? "old friends of his at home, says he is willing to do anything he can for them"

Also a possible for John, but the age is quite a lot out:

Portand
Arr. NSW March 1841

John McKENNA
aged 21
Labourer
Native of County Tyrone, parish of Aghaloo, barony of Dungannon  (Phew!)

Debra
Title: Re: John McKANNA (McKenna) & Mary McQUARIE
Post by: Dundee on Wednesday 04 August 10 13:25 BST (UK)
A few convicts there who also look quite promising.  Do you have any other references to John's age besides the marriage cert?

Debra
Title: Re: John McKANNA (McKenna) & Mary McQUARIE
Post by: Full on Thursday 05 August 10 12:13 BST (UK)
Hi Debra,
Thank you heaps for the Ellen Caffrey link. :)
I hadn't made the link but I did have the information from a little while back. I had put it aside because of the age difference.

I checked back and I found an email from Noeleen Daley who I found on Ireland Roots. She advised:
John Mckanna, b. Armagh NI 1809
died 7 or 9/11/1863 Maitland, NSW

Married Ellen Caffrey or Helen born 1822 County Galway
d.31/5/1858 and buried Ravensworth Cemetery, NSW

Children all born in Pt Macquarie
Thomas b 18/8/1844
John b 7/4/1846
Catherine b 1846/48
Laurence b 1849
Helen b 1851.

Now I found that John was married twice, it all fits together. I will contact Noeleen as she is descendant from the Thomas Mckanna 1844

You have been a great help, please, if you can find out any more info on little Mary I would be very thankful.
Isn't it great when a plan comes together.
Good on ya............Rob ;D
Title: Re: John McKANNA (McKenna) & Mary McQUARIE
Post by: davecrowley on Sunday 28 April 13 06:00 BST (UK)
Hi,
I'm just going to throw a wildcard into the discussion. One of my family tree branches has a Julia Macquarie or McQuarie, who married James Standage Buckland on 05 April 1886. Julia was the daughter of Mary McQuarie (also known as Mary Evans), who was born in 1834 and died on 12 August 1917. This Mary McQuarie is buried at Comboyne (I think) with James and Julia. She was a bush midwife, and the daughter of Major Archibald Innes and a Ngamba girl (rather than by his wife Margaret McLeay).
Title: Re: John McKANNA (McKenna) & Mary McQUARIE
Post by: Dundee on Sunday 28 April 13 08:05 BST (UK)
Hi davecrowley,

I did have a look at the baptism entry for Mary MacQUARIE for Rob.

On Aug 26 1849, two girls were baptised; Mary, age unknown, supposed born 1840, and Elizabeth, age unknown, supposed born 1846, surname and christian name of parents has two dashes (for father's name?) and under that is Aboriginal Native which I think refers to the mother.  Abode is Lake Innes, baptised by Thomas O'REILLY, sponsors were the Misses. JONES.

Debra  :)
Title: Re: John McKANNA (McKenna) & Mary McQUARIE
Post by: Dundee on Monday 29 April 13 03:35 BST (UK)
So this would be the baptism of Julia at Port Macquarie:

1858
V18581340 44A
ABORIGINAL,  JULIA MACQUARIE
Father: UNKNOWN
Mother: MARY

This was the year before Rob's Mary married, so could be the same person.  Your Mary's death cert should list her children and marriage info if known by the informant, so you would need to see a son Charles and daughter Margaret, as well as Julia.

Debra  :)

Title: Re: John McKANNA (McKenna) & Mary McQUARIE
Post by: RobertGG on Wednesday 27 May 15 14:54 BST (UK)
Mary Evans Macquarie is my great great grandmother.
Her burial was at Ellenborough.
Her sponsor at Baptism was the Misses Innes (ie the wife of Major Innes, and not Misses Jones as supplied by Debra)
As passed down from my grandparents, it was understood that Mary's mother was also called Mary, a local Aboriginal native that was taken in and worked in the Innes household as a house servant. Major Innes may have fathered Mary Evans Macquarie. (and siblings)
Both Mary Evans Macquarie and Elizabeth Macquarie were baptised the same day, the surname understood to be provided by the Misses Innes, in sequential numbering in church records. And their abode was Lake Innes.
Alice Macquarie was baptised 5 weeks later, who I believe is also their sibling (birthdate unknown, supposed 1842.  Although her abode states Huntington Hastings River (sic Huntingdon), and her sponsors were Mrs and Miss Gray.
All three girls have dashes in place of fathers name, with the mother listed as Aboriginal Native on the church records.
In 1852 Major Innes was appointed an Assistant Commissioner for Crown Lands.  At some point he apparently arranged for Mary Evans Macquarie to he a house servant for the Browning family on their property "Llanthony", where she later had a daughter Julia. and a year later married John McKenne (or McKenna).
For at least the last 16 years of her life, and probably longer she resided with her daughter and son-in-law at their property "Toms Creek"

Kind regards Robert
Title: Re: John McKANNA (McKenna) & Mary McQUARIE
Post by: Dundee on Thursday 28 May 15 08:25 BST (UK)
Hi Robert,

 ;D Welcome to Rootschat  ;D

Her sponsor at Baptism was the Misses Innes (ie the wife of Major Innes, and not Misses Jones as supplied by Debra)

Kind regards Robert

Of course you're right, I should have noticed that the two INNES words looked the same  :-[

It does say Sponsors (plural), the Misses INNES, so I think it more likely refers to more than one INNES female.  Major INNES' daughters were probably too young, but it could be his nieces, the daughters of his brother George.  Annabella was 23 and single, and Margaret was 20 and also single.

Have you read any of Annabella's published diaries/journals?

Annabella expressed nostalgia for her birthplace by publishing three books based on her diaries. Her pamphlet, Recollections of Some Australian Blacks, was written in 1890. Some Recollections of My Early Days (1908) was republished as Annabella Boswell's Journal (Sydney, 1965 and reprinted 1981 and 1993). Her vivid account of colonial life, Further Recollections of My Early Days in Australia (1911), was republished as Annabella Boswell's Other Journal (Canberra, 1992).


Debra  :)
Title: Re: John McKANNA (McKenna) & Mary McQUARIE
Post by: RobertGG on Thursday 28 May 15 11:03 BST (UK)
"From 1843 to 1848, Annabella and her mother and sister lived with her uncle, Archibald Innes"
 source "Female genteel class in colonial Port Macquarie" Nov 16  by frankdyball
If this is correct, then neither niece was still at the Innes abode to be a sponsor at the time of the baptisms.

I do have Annabella Boswell's Journal, and now Recollections of Some Australian Blacks, neither of which has been read completely as I have trouble concentrating for long periods.  Yet to get my own copy of Annabella Boswell's Other Journal.

Thanks for your speedy reply!
Kind regards, Robert
Title: Re: John McKANNA (McKenna) & Mary McQUARIE
Post by: RobertGG on Friday 29 May 15 00:11 BST (UK)
Attached is the memorial for Mary Evans Macquarie, published in the newspaper by her daughter Julia Buckland.

I wonder if Mary and Charles kept in touch at all??
Title: Re: John McKANNA (McKenna) & Mary McQUARIE
Post by: Looking11 on Monday 23 May 16 10:40 BST (UK)
Hi davecrowley, and others in this thread,
I have just joined Rootschat after finding this thread via a Google search for info on my husband's family tree.
Your post on 28Apr13 mentioned that Mary Evans McQuarie's mother was a Ngamba girl. Are you able to provide more info or a source for this as we are quite interested to find out more about Mary McQuarie/Macquarie, the mother of Mary Evans McQuarie.
Thanks,
L
Title: Re: John McKANNA (McKenna) & Mary McQUARIE
Post by: Dundee on Monday 23 May 16 16:15 BST (UK)
Hi Looking11,

 ;D Welcome to RootsChat  ;D

I can give you this:

http://postimg.org/image/xy6vrl03v/

Debra  :)
Title: Re: John McKANNA (McKenna) & Mary McQUARIE
Post by: Looking11 on Monday 23 May 16 22:20 BST (UK)
Hi Debra
Thank you, that is very kind of you to share this image.  :)
I believe RobertGG, davecrowley and I are looking into the same branch of our family tree, and our  link to Mary Evans McQuarie/Macquarie who was born in 1834. I seem to be playing catch up with other (previously unknown/distant) members of the family who have already done research that we (my husband & I) did not know about until now when our curiosity has been sparked.
I am yet to gain access to a copy of Annabellla Boswell's diaries that were mentioned in an earlier post but look forward to reading them at some point in the future, just out of curiosity, to see if Mary Mcquarie/Macquarie is mentioned, or indeed if any of her children are mentioned.
Thanks again for sharing.
I am looking forward to discovering more.
Kind regards,
L
Title: Re: John McKANNA (McKenna) & Mary McQUARIE
Post by: RobertGG on Sunday 29 August 21 00:43 BST (UK)
Mary Evans Macquarie had
1) Julia May Macquarie 1858-1941
then married John McKanna in 1859 and had
2) Margaret McKanna 1859-1942
3) Charles McKanna 1862-1927
4) Mary McKanna 1863-1864
John McKanna passed away in 1863
and she married John Field in 1864 and had
5) Robert Field 1865-1909
6) John Field 1867-1874
7) Christopher Field 1869-1954
8) Susanna Field 1871-
9) Thomas Field 1873-1942
10) Mary Field 1878-
I have full birthdates for all children, and all were baptised at Port Macquarie.
Title: Re: John McKANNA (McKenna) & Mary McQUARIE
Post by: RobertGG on Sunday 29 August 21 01:01 BST (UK)
3 pictures

1- The registered brand of Charles McKanna (Ellenborough 1897).

2- On the 14 Apr 1892, Charles had the following land.
60 Acres. Section 26, Parish of Innes, Portion 48

3- This land later became owned by his half-sister, Julia Buckland (maiden name Julia May Macquarie), the wife of James Standage Buckland.
Title: Re: John McKANNA (McKenna) & Mary McQUARIE
Post by: RobertGG on Sunday 29 August 21 01:08 BST (UK)
It is also now believed that the first Mary (b 1815/1816; d 1928 Burnt Bridge @112 years) had been orphaned at the Blackmans Point massacre 1826, and taken in by the Innes family at that time.