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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Lanarkshire => Topic started by: Birkenhead on Monday 19 July 10 10:42 BST (UK)
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Peter Colin Blair McIntyre . Trying to find out what happened to my greatuncle Peter, who rumour has it, was once a Glasgow City Councillor. My grandfather John Campbell McIntyre died in 1929 (moved to Birkenhead Merseyside) and unfortunately the family lost touch with Scottish relatives in Scotland and with his sister Agnes in New Jersey. According to my grandmother Martha, Peter was sometimes in trouble with the police for expressing his ideas and had a strong belief in civil rights. We're very proud of him as a family and would love to know more.
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From your other post "Born Dumbarton on 24th July 1889 to John & Catherine McIntyre (nee Campbell) brother of John Campbell McIntyre and Agnes McIntyre."
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There is a death entry showing on the pay to view www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk for a Peter Colin McIntyre in Glasgow, birth year 1890, with a death year of 1959. This is the current cut off to be able to view a death cert on line which will let you confirm whether it is the correct Peter.
Scottish death certs are very informative and include details of parents' names, including mother's details, if known to the informant. If it is the right one, details of wife if married, should also be included.
It is the only one I can see with the use of one of the middle names you have. If he didn't use his middle name, it will be a harder search for you unfortunately, as there are many entries for a Peter McIntyre.
Monica :)
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Thank you for your advice. I think I have found my great uncle Peter, but still looking for his sister Agnes.
Jeanette McIntyre
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Peter Colin Blair McIntyre was indeed a Councillor in Govan. He was the "Cloth Cap King of Govan" loved by all the people of Govan. I believe he was born in 1892 and I know for a fact that he passed on January 9th 1959. Peter was my grandfather - unfortunately he passed before I was born and I am only now getting some information on him from his last surviving child! He lived all of his live in Govan and did help people along his life time. Interestingly enough I had no idea he had a brother named John, although I did know he had a sister named Agnes, who was rumoured to have been very wealthy. I am just starting to piece together information of that side of our family and would love to know more about John if you have any other information. In the meantime kindly let me know if you have any other questions and I will ask my aunt.
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I've spoken to my auntie Edna who is delighted to know that she has a cousin on her Father's side of the family. My grandfather died in Birkenhead in 1929. He had been gassed during W.W.1 and died of pernicious aenemia. He'd been in the R.A.M.C and served in Gallipoli, Palestine and other places. I have a copy of his army record and 1 of the 3 medals he received after the war and a photograph of him in tropical kit. He moved to Birkenhead before the war and worked in Cammell Lairds ship yard until he enlisted. After the war he worked on the Mersey Tunnel as a stonemason. I think he had a very hard life (physically) but from what I know, he was a very happy person. My Dad was 9 when his father died, Mona was 6 and Edna 3 . They have all said at different times how much they missed him.
For years my Dad used to drive to Glasgow ( he drove articulated lorries for P.&.O) on a regular basis. If only he'd known where his father's relations had lived .I'm in regular contact with Sheenah Nelson (nee McIntyre) and between us we've built up a family tree going back to the late 1700s. Sheenah has done the most as apart from living in Balloch, she has contacts who are archivists. I live in London and have to do everything on line apart from a few things from Kew.
I'll be checking emails every day and look forward to finding out more about your side of the family. I have a copy of the marriage certificate of our great grandparents Catherine Campbell and John McIntyre. If you let me have your address I'll send photocopies of all the information I have.
hope to hear from you soon Jeanette McIntyre
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Looking forward to finding out more about Peter McIntyre. The Scottish side of the family has been a mystery for many years and we're all eager to find out more about our background.
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Peter Colin Blair MacIntyre
My father Colin Macintyre always spoke fondly of Peter. He had many wonderful memories of Peter.
His Father also Colin MacIntyre was
either having to bail him out of jail after one of his meetings or Peter often went into hiding at my granfather's home in Dumbarton when the 'polis ' were about to arrest him after he had addressed a meeting or rally at Glasgow Green. Peter was one of four who founded 'The Scottish Workers Republican Party ' This was a fore runner of the SNP. John Maclean & John Rankin were also founder members too. John Maclean was jailed for I think for 3yrs and later released and pardoned. I have copies of Peter's Birth, Marriage and death certificates
He was Married to Annie Esson Fairweather she died in in 1951. I have her death cert. Peter died on 9th Jan 1959. At that point his home address was 693 Govan Road. His death was registered by his son James MacIntyre
of 184 Kingsland Drive, Glasgow.
As a young child I have memories of Agnes ( his sister ) coming to visit us in Dumbarton. This may have been about the time of Peters death. I too was led to believe was well off and I think owned a chain of stores. Jeanette MacIntyre & I would be delighted to contact any of his family. Sheenah
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Still waiting to hear "awtobescottish" hope that you've not changed your mind about finding out more about my grandfather's side of the family.
Jeanette McIntyre
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Hi Sheenah
I think you may be also able to help me. My grandfather was Thomas Horsburgh Young McIntyre and his father was Colin McIntyre who was married to Caroline Young. I am hoping that he may be directly related to your family as he was born in Afton Court, which I am told was just beside the present Morrisons supermarket in Dumbarton. He married Ellen Ward and had three daughters Ellen, Anne and Caroline (though Caroline is known as Vera). Ellen was my mother and Anne and Caroline moved to the USA. I am hoping that you will be able to help me. Thanks :)
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all the McIntyres/Macintyres, seemed to live cheek by jowl. Sheenah has stacks of information about family history and i'm sure she will help you. i'm Jeanette McIntyre, grandchild of John Campbell McIntyre, great niece of Peter Colin Blair McIntyre. to contact Sheenah directly, you need to send a message to "lostweans". if you do know anything about my great uncle Peter, i'd be very glad to hear from you. good luck.
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to contact Sheenah, her rootschat address is " lostweans". she is sure we're all related and will be able to help you. we're both having a few problems with this site. Jeanette McIntyre
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Hi NavanScot,
Thanks for your messaged via Jeanette McIntyre re your grandfather Thomas Horsburgh Young McIntyre.
Both my grandfather & father were named Colin McIntyre. I will see if I can help you. Ellen McIntyre certainly rings a bell. Do you have a date of birth for her? My family lived in the same area of Dumbarton. Could they perhaps be cousins?? My family tended to use the same christian names which I'm sure they knew who they were but we find quite confusing when brothers sisters and cousins had the same names. Do you know what occupation your grandfather & Grt Grandfather had ?
I live locally so I will check with local records & Maps in Dumbarton Library.
Good luck with your research,
Sheenah
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Hi Sheenah
Thomas Horsburgh Young McIntyre was a Ships Plater (Journeyman) as was his father Colin McIntyre they married in St Patricks Church,Dumbarton on 27th December 1928. On the Marriage Certificate in 1928 Thomas was living at 5 John St , Renton.
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Hi Sheenah
Sorry just noticed I didn't give you my mum Ellen McIntyre's details she was born on 5th September 1930 at 18 Thimble St, Renton, When she married in 1954 she was living at 109 Tontine Park, Renton. Hope this helps.
Brian
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Hi Brian ,
Not sure if you have received my email message regarding your Grandparents and family ? I sent it to the email address that Marina Martinolli had for you.
I have just been going through some family records my Grandfather's eldest sister Agnes MacIntyre died at her Grandparents home 18 Thimble Street Renton. I have also spoken with a friend who knows the Ward family well and she is going to have a look at my family tree.
I have found several Birth/ Marriage / Death & census returns for your family I think I did also send some of it in my email. If I can help at all do get in touch.
Best wishes for success with your search for your roots.
Kind regards,
Sheenah
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Digging up your roots. in an attempt to discover more about my greatuncle Peter, I have found more information from the Govan Press and the Evening Times. several people have expressed interest in Peter. if there are any members of his family still around, or anyone who knew him or knew of him, I would appreciate any information you could give me.
Jeanette McIntyre
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Hi Peter McIntyre was a legend in my house. My mother and uncles and older brothers would often tell me about him. The spoke of him with great fondness and of his utmost sincerity. In 1946 after the war many families were homeless or living in rat infested overcrowded slums. A wide spread squatting movement rose up all over the inner cities in the UK. My family were from Govan.
Peter marched all the families up to a posh part of the city called Dumbreck he then entered a very large house and brought the families in. He took a piece of chalk and asked how many children do you have, he then marked out on the ground the living space for each family. He assisted them to set up home repeating this elsewhere. Families would put up string or rope and use army tarpaulins to give them some privacy. The eating arrangements were communal, the cleaning was organised and wood for fires gathered. Peter would always be round taking delegations to the NAB, ( national assistance board) A photograph of the court proceedings shows Peter and a group of families including my own father, this was around 46-9 I am not sure. I have seen the photo but I no longer have it. The house was next door to the Builders McTaggert Mickle, who my mother said was most accommodating, delivering wood from his building site and allowing them to run a hose for water from his property, his wife was also good at brining hot food and treats for the kids. The family McTaggert had the view that these men fought the war and their loved ones made the ultimate sacrifice so he helped out.
Peter was jailed a few times , my uncle told me that the dockers and others would have wipe rounds for his bail. He was described as a large gangly man with a shock of unkempt hair, he could be seen at Govan Cross orating with large crowds of people around him. As the years went by the crowds grew less and less. My uncle said that Peter got a flat in the Pollock area, he must have been wrong. also I was told he would walk every were from Govan Cross to Brigeton Cross to speak at street meetings, he was fearless and disciplined and respected as a fighter for his class. Because of him I was inspired to become a Trade Union official, it brings a tear to my eye when I think of the love my mother and uncles spoke of Peter McIntrye a name I will never forget. There is no memorial bench, nor place named after him, no plaque of statue, I have often thought of raising the issue but when I think of the treacherous jackals who would be drawn to its opening it puts me off. Good luck and you are from fine stock.
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Mick, welcome :)
Can I just say, what a fine and descriptive write up on Peter McIntyre. I haven't read the rest of the posts here yet (...I know I posted, but only really early on) but what a wonderful piece you have written about Peter McIntyre here. Now makes me want to learn more about him and his life.
Monica
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I do not think this is still available to hear online on BBC Radio Scotland, but this must have been an interesting story. Not sure if alternative sources now? www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b019nncx
Jeanette, looks like you had a contribution to this :)
Page 2 here also has more background to what you describe http://rlhf.info/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/16-Housing-Skillen.pdf - Camp Squats about Glasgow after World War 2
Monica
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Hi Monica, Thank your for your kind comments.
I know he, Peter was arrested in 1931 for refusing to comply with a new by law imposed by the Labour Council of Glasgow. The law or regulation was introduced which stopped public meetings and free speech. The council tried to corral speakers into one little area of the Green, Peter and his comrade said no chance. Many of them went to jail 30 days hard labour, 50 days and then three months. I will look out some more memories . regards Michael
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Glad to see that people are still interested in Peter McIntyre. My Grandmother referred to him as "the Bolshevik !" The Mitchell Library is a great source of material about Peter. Contemporary newspaper reports and photographs (Comrade McIntyre). I'll post the details later. Met some members of the Govan History Society, one of whom had known Peter fairly well. I'm also interested in the Vale of Leven Hunger Marches as I've seen a photograph of the marchers. One of the marchers bears a very strong resemblance to my late father William Campbell McIntyre, so he must be a McIntyre. Peter has family living in the west of Scotland but seem to be reluctant to make contact. He did a great deal of good for other people and his relatives south of the border are very proud of him. Any more information would be welcome. Jeanette McIntyre
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Mick D.
Very touched to read so much about Uncle Peter. Those of us south of the border, great nieces and nephews are very proud of him and all the things he did. I found a few things about him in the news paper clippings in the Mitchell Library and from the Govan History Society.
I'll be in Glasgow/ Dumbarton area in the last week of this month and would welcome advice on any sources of information.
Thank you so much.
Jeanette McIntyre
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Don't know how old this thread is, but I am the great grandson of an Peter Blair Mcintyre. He had, I think, 5 children including twins Mary and Stewart, Mary moved to Canada and is the only child of his that I knew. I'm trying to piece more info together from my Mum. Sorry if I have stumbled upon a thread about a completely different relative
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Peter McIntyre is my great great grandfather on my mother’s side.
His son Alexander born 1930's is my grandfather.
Kirbygardener, Mary is my great aunt & would come visit us from Canada ever 3-4 years before she passed away