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Pigots Register Hampshire
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Please could somebody please help me with a 'look up'. ;)I have just about given up looking for my Ancester William Wright, probably born about 1810. He was a victular to the navy, and says in the records of his marrigae to his wife Louisa Allen, in 1834 Malta, that he comes from Alverstoke, Gosport, but I cannot find any trace. His son, Charles Henry Wright (1843 )marries a Louisa Nibbs in Malta,she has parents that DO come from Alverstoke,a John Nibbs, who is a Master Baker, also for the Navy.The family all stayed in Malta, exceept for a son. I am sure, a long time ago, I have seen a register of sort of census, possibly for the dockyard with both of these families on the same sheet??? or was it Pigots Register! Could some one please put me out of my misery!!!!
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Long shot but worth looking at - 1857 at 9 Basnett Street (Liverpool?) a Mr Wright described as a licenced victualer's auctioneer and valuer. Was advertising auction of Crown vaults on Simpson street, largely populated area with thoroughfare to docks?
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Familysearch Pilot has this possible Record;
William WRIGHT, Christened 03 October 1813, Holy Trinity, Gosport, Hampshire
Parents WILLIAM and JANE
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Thanks EBCH, but if forgot to mention he died in 1850!! :)
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Trish 1120, Thanks, this could be a possibility!, now to see if he is mentioned in the 1841 census, as my man was in Malta then!!Can I find the information you have on line??Cheers Chris
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Pigot's are publishers of street and trade directories.
The census will only include these families on the same page if they are living in close proximity to one another.
If William married in Malta in 1834 and all his family stayed there, then there will not be a record in the census for him in England.
The baptism that trish found would appear to be the only one in Gosport/Alverstoke at around the correct time.
Nell
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William was a vituller for the navy -one of his sons, married the daughter of a 'Master Baker' for the Navy, this family I know comes from Alverstoke in Hampshire. I have them on census. But I am sure I have also seen some sort of census, prior to William going to Malta,in about 1830? The Baker also goes and stays in Malta,with some of his family but returns home,later to Gosport. The 'sheet' had them living very near to each other, with other navy families? :)
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The first complete census which lists names is 1841. Prior to this some census records exist, but not for all locations and not necessarily naming all the household. Sometimes names are not included. There is no surviving census listing for Portsea/Alverstoke or Gosport before 1841.
A Pigot's directory for Hampshire in 1828 can be found and browsed here:
http://www.historicaldirectories.org/hd
This directory is primarily a trade directory and unless their business was their own and listed, you may not find them.
Portsea and Gosport contained thousands of people connected to the dockyard. Portsmouth which contained Portsea is listed as having a population of 50,000 by 1831 and 53,000 plus in 1841. Gosport/Alverstoke had a population of more than 10,000 in 1831.
The sheet that you found - was it handwritten or printed?
I'm still not clear what information you hope to find or confirm :-\
Nell
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Thanks Nell, The paper I saw, was handwritten, a bit like the census, but not quite the same. It was there I saw he was a victullar, on my ancestors wedding certificate, he was down as a publican(same sort of thing?) Others on the page also had their profession, was quite feint in places, and a job to see. The 1841 census gives very little information on professions, -this I thought looked more like naval information?? It was quite a few years ago now, and I thought I would be able to find it again, so didn't bother to take down any details!!That will teach me!! :( I am off to 'kew' next week hopeing to find out more about the Malta papers, so that might give me more of a clue. I would just like to know, where he was born - if I can make the connection??
Thanks again, Chris
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Hi Chris,
Here is the link that you can search yourself for the Christening;
http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#p=home
Trish :)
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Thanks alot Trish, I think this guy could be my man!! Gosport/Alverstoke vertually the same place!! Date about right, he marries in 1834, he would be 21, and is wife a little younger!!It all seems to add up!! I will use that webb site to look for his wife!! Thanks again, Chris
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So do I understand that you are looking to move backwards by finding the baptisms of William & Louisa?
I have no idea what sort of information is given on Maltese records so my questions may be way off base ;)
You say Louisa was a bit younger than William when they married. Any indication of her birth year? I have found a Louisa Allen baptised in Gosport in 1815, parents Thomas & Patience. Do either of these names crop up in William & Louisa's family?
Re Louisa Nibbs, daughter of John Nibbs, master baker - when was she born?
Nell
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Hi! Nell, Yes, I'd like to find the parents of William, to get back further if possible!!. Louisa Allen was a minor when married 13.12.1837 in Malta, as had to have the consent of her Guardian. She was the daughter of a Louis Barber Allen, - but she may not have come from Hampshire. But, I too had found Thomas and Patience, but they don't use these names as family names, so I am not happy with that.
Going to Louisa Nibbs. On the Maltese records I have, it says she is a daughter of John and Anne Nibbs, but on her birth record she is recorded as Louisa Lockyer, and futher up the family (more recent) other members of the family, call themselves-Nibbs- Lockyer?? Rosina Nibbs& Emma, sisters of louisa, found on the 1841 census are married out in Malta also.The family are recorded as being there in 1852, 1854, and 1856.But John is back in England in 1881 and dies in 1885.
I feel quite possitive about the William and Jane Wright, possibly Williams parents.It fits - age and place !! ;)
Thanks for all your help. I shall investigate further at 'Kew' - intriguing!! :D
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it says she is a daughter of John and Anne Nibbs, but on her birth record she is recorded as Louisa Lockyer, and futher up the family (more recent) other members of the family, call themselves-Nibbs- Lockyer?? Rosina Nibbs& Emma, sisters of louisa, found on the 1841 census
Oh good - confirmation of something I found.
1841 census records the family as Nibbs at King Street, Gosport. In the household are:
John Nibbs 60 Warder? P Not born in county
James Nibbs 25 Baker J(ourneyman)
Ann Nibbs 25
Emma 5
Rosina 4
James 2
Looking at the baptism records I found these transcriptions
Emma Mary Lockyer bapt 8 May 1836, daughter of James Nibbs & Ann Lockyer
Ann Rosina Lockyer, bapt 25 Jun 1837, daughter of James Lockyer and Ann Nibbs.
I couldn't find anything for James under either Nibbs or Lockyer. No marriage in any combination of Nibb(s) and Lockyer. :-\ A sight of the original register might help here.
I also found a George Nibbs Lockyer baptised in 1813 so I'm really confused about the names.
John Nibbs is still alive in 1851, living in King Street. He was born in Wimborne, Dorset and his wife (no idea where she was in 1841) was born in Devon. He died in 1857.
At the moment this family is not making much sense. :(
Nell
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Hi! Nel, ;D You have the right family!, the name confusion on John/James, is because our chap the baker is really John James, but his Father John, is with them alot, so I think they changed the names around, and call the son James -at times. All the information I have from Malta he called John.
George, I think must have been John James's brother, as John has a son,George,(1839) who is also with them in Malta. He marries an Elizabeth Parks, but infortuatly she dies out there and he remarried a Frances Wells. He is a 'Writer' in the dockyard. I also have a William Nibbs, living in Malta in 1854, don't know where he comes in yet!!
The John Nibbs you have in 1851, is John (Sen), I havn't bothered to go further with them at the moment, as I have been struggleing with William Wright!!
Thanks for the Lockyer information - I thought it was probably something like that, but that was to be 'looked into'!! It may be they were not actually married :-\ ?- that would account of Louisa just useing her mothers name!
My picture is getting clearer all the time!! Thanks again.Cheers Chris
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Hi - I have been doing some research on the Wright family for my cousin and discovered today that John Wright, bc 1811, England, had a son Alfred Lawson by his first marrige (I suspected this) born in July 1, 1844 - this from the Family History of Malta.
John and his son Alfred emigrated to Quebec, where John remarried and had more children.
Marian
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Looking for another name, I found these names on the British Residents 1800-1900 list :
Lieutenant NIBBS, Royal Dockyard Artillery Battalion, with Naval Victualling Yard Company in 1856
Amelia Elizabeth NIBBS, 21+, spinster, born Malta, the daughter of Annie and John James Nibbs, married 2nd May 1871 to Thomas JENKIN, 21+, bachelor, Dentist, from Truro, Cornwall, the son of Elizabeth and Thomas Martin Jenkin
Ellen NIBBS, spinster, minor, born in Gosport, the fourth daughter of Anne and John Nibbs, of the Naval Bakery, married 23rd May 1865 to, Heaver SUGDEN, 21+, bachelor, born in Gillingham, Kent, Acting Master, HMS Pelican, the eldest son of Mary and Abraham Sugden, R.N.
Emma Mary NIBBS, 21+, spinster, born in Gosport, Hampshire, the daughter of John James and Ann Nibbs, married 27th April 1854 to, William Bowden STEPHENS, 21+, bachelor, born in Devonport, Assistant Engineer, HMS Caradoc, the son of Richard and Mary Ann Stephens
George Albert Nibbs Lockyer NIBBS, aged 39 years, widower, Writer, HM Dockyard, the son of John James Lockyer Nibbs, married 7th December 1887 to Frances Judith WELLS, aged 29 years, spinster, the daughter of Thomas Richard Wells
Mrs George NIBBS, died Tuesday 3rd November 1885, the wife of George Nibbs, Writer, HM Dockyard. The daughter of Mr PARKES
J. NIBBS, Master Baker, Naval Bakery Vittoriosa in 1856
James John NIBBS, living 140 Strada San Lorenzo, Vittoriosa, 1852
Rosina Ann NIBBS, 21+, spinster, born in Gosport, the daughter of Ann and John James Nibbs, married 29th October 1857 to, Peter GREETHAM, 21+, bachelor, the son of Benjamin and Elizabeth Greetham
William NIBBS, resident Malta, electoral list 1854
I hope this helps if you are still looking for the Wright family :)
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Hi I'm also looking into this William Wright and would love to hear an update if there is one