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I am after information about my GGGG grandparents James Beattie who married Margaret Fitchet[t] I assume in Montrose, Angus, as all the children were born there.
They had 12 children, of which Henry & Ada come out to NZ and married. Henry married Amy Payne and Ada married James Woodriff Gosset.
Can anyone assist?
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Found on familysearch. org: Marriage/Banns on 14 April 1833, Montrose
Does that fit in with their ages?
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This could be them, as the first child was born 1834. Thank You
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I have found Margaret's birth on familysearch and Scotland's People free search b. 1815, Benholm, Kincardine. Parents James Fitchet and Ann Wyllie.
There are several James Beattie's born 1802 +/- 5 years in Montrose. Have you been able to find his death certificate as that will hopefully give you the names of his parents if they were known.
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I have sent you a private message re one of their children.
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hi all :)
just to add -
SP has margaret beattie(other surname fitchett) death 1882 montrose angus
born c1816
deceased online has margaret beattie buried 14th jan. 1882 montrose old
cemeteries - which might match
ev
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1841 census ..james beattie age 40 b.about 1801 angus .wife margaret age 25 b. scotland children john 6 james 5 nk 2 weeks all living high street montrose james occ. bank agent
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The dates are looking like they could be my ancestors.
Thank you for all the information thus far.
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Hi
James and Margaret are also my GGGG Grandparents, have been researching them on and off for a few years now.
For your info. James Beattie who married Margaret Fitchet appears on the 1841, 1851 and 1861 Scotland Censuses for Montrose. On all three censuses they lived on High Street, Montrose and in 1851 and 1861 - they lived at 110 High Street. On the 1851 Census, James Beattie's surname is spelt correctly but the rest of the family are all listed as Beatte. They had 11 children on the censuses, these were in order of eldest to youngest - John, James, Mary Ann, David, Catherine, Arthur, Edward, Alice, Margaret, Ada and Henry. James was listed on the 1851 Census as a Agent Joint Stock Bank and on the 1861 Census as a Bank Agent. I believe he may have been working for the British Linen Company Bank - if you go to Google books and look up the Directory to Noblemen and Gentlemen's Seats, Villages by Sutherland and Knox it mentions a "James Beattie" from Montrose of British Linen Co. They seem to have had some wealth, at least in 1861 as they have 3 female domestic servants according to the census. Their eldest son, John appears on the 1861 England census and was married to a lady named Emma Adamson - they lived in Lambeth in Surrey, again they must have had wealth as they were in there early 20's with two children, yet had 3 servants - at this time John was working for the East India Company as a mercantile clerk. Can't find James or Margaret Beattie after 1861 on the Scotland Censuses but their son John and wife Emma appear on the 1871 England Census as living in Westhumble in Surrey with 4 of their children, they are being visited by John's mother in law, Elizabeth Adamson and another visitor and have 2 servants. John is at this time working as an East India Merchant. In 1881, John and Emma are living in Wandsworth in London with 3 of their children and John's sister Margaret who at age 27 is still unmarried. John is now working as a clerk to a public company (I think this was the East India Company). When John and Emma were married, James, John's father was listed on the marriage certificate as being a Banker and Emma's father as a Gentleman (probably not of that much interest to you, but his name was James Adamson and he was a Supervisor for the Inland Revenue in England).
Anyway hope this helps, good luck with your research.
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This is interesting stuff......
My connection is through Henry Beattie, he is my GG granddad, who died young here in NZ. I will definitely keep researching. It is so exciting getting new information to glue all the pieces together and to get a glimpse of what they were like and how they lived.
Thank you so much.
Sandra
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Hello
Not related - I note that there appears to be a will for 'your' James Beattie on the wills section of www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk. Will cost £5.00 (five pounds), to view and download. Do not buy 'credits', you purchase them through a cart system.
BEATTIE JAMES 30/09/1865 AGENT AT MONTROSE FOR BRITISH LINEN COMPANY FORFAR SHERIFF COURT SC47/40/32
Regards, Steve :)
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Glad to be of help Sandra and thanks Steve, I'll look into ordering that will.
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Hi Sandra and Steve,
Ordered the will that you suggested Steve and it is the “Inventory of the Personal Estate of James Beattie” and is the correct one of mine and Sandra’s ancestor, so thanks again. From checking through the censuses, from information in the document have managed to find out some updated info. so here it is:-
It seems that James Beattie died on 30th August 1865 at Montrose, it mentions his employment by the British Linen Company and outlines the worth of his assets with the balance “…due to the deceased as in right of his wife by Mr David Fitchet, Farmer at Mains of Bridgeton and other trustees under the settlement of her father…”
Had a look at the Censuses, and it seems that David Fitchet is the brother of James Beattie’s wife Margaret Fitchet. Their parents are James Fitchet and Mary Ann Wyllie (according to the IGI – International Genealogical Index – which can be accessed via http://www.familysearch.org/eng/default.asp ) and they were married on 20 February 1809 at Fordoun, Kincardine, Scotland.
On the 1841 Census, James is living at “Mains of Bordgston” (which should read Mains of Bridgeton) in Kincardineshire, Scotland. His wife, Mary Ann is not present on Census night, but his children Jane (aged 30), Ann (aged 20), David (aged 20) (they aren’t twins), and James aged 15 are there with him as are two other people whose relationship is unknown (a 3 year old girl Mary Ann Brattie – could this be a Mary Ann Beattie perhaps and a 25 year old woman called Elizabeth Watson).
On the 1851 Scotland Census, James Fitchet is living on his farm at Bridgeton Manes in Kincardineshire, Scotland where he is a farmer, employing 5 labourers and has 170 acres. He lives there with his wife Mary Ann and 3 of his grown up children - Jane, Ann and David. They also have 2 labourers and 1 house servant living with them.
On the 1861 Scotland Census, Mary (Ann) Fitchet is listed as being head of the household and is recorded as being a Farmer’s widow. She is living with 4 of her children – David, James, Jane and Anne and also a dairymaid called Anne Leslie.
The 1871 Scotland Census is the one that proves the link between the Beattie and Fitchet families. It is a bit difficult to find as the census has been improperly transcribed the Fitchet surname has been transcribed as Fitcher and Ada Beattie who was also present has been transcribed as Ada Beathe. According to this census, David Fitchet is now head of the household (aged 51) and is living with his brother James (aged 49), and sisters Jane (aged 61) and Ann (aged 52) –the girls still have their maiden names so I don’t suppose they ever married. Also present on census night was their niece, Ada Beattie (aged 15) and a servant, Isabella Naron (aged 18). They are still living on the farm at Mains of Bridgeton in Kincardinshire.
On the 1881 Census, David Fitchet is still listed as the head of the family and his occupation is Farmer of 170 acres – 160 Arable employing 3 men 2 girls and 1 boy. He still lives with brother James and sisters Jane and Ann. Also there on census night was Eliza Beattie (aged 20 – who is listed as a general servant – not sure whether she is related or whether Beattie was just a common surname in those parts) and Isabella Florence also listed as a general servant).
Cannot easily find them on census after this.
Hope this keeps you occupied for a while Sandra.
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Hi All,
Just got some more info thanks to Steves bit of helpful advice re: the wills/testaments - found that Margaret Beattie (nee Fitchet) has one at
www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk
BEATTIE MARGARET 18/07/1883 OR FITCHET, WELLINGTON PLACE, MONTROSE, WIDOW OF JAMES BEATTIE, BANK AGENT THERE, D. 11/01/1882 AT MONTROSE, TESTATE FORFAR SHERIFF COURT SC47/40/49
James Beattie's parents are John Beattie and Agnes Hill - there is a marriage announcement for them on
page 318 of the "Edinburgh Magazine or literary miscellany" on Google Books
it states "Marriage... At Montrose, Mr John Beattie, to Miss Agnes Hill, daughter of the late Mr Thomas Hill, of Montrose..."
Also Agnes Beattie (nee Hill) appears on the 1841 Scotland Census and 1851 Scotland Census - she has been widowed by this time as there is a will/testament for John Beattie, he was a wine merchant and Banker in Montrose and it lists all his debt(s/ors) at
www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk
BEATTIE JOHN 10/11/1830 MERCHANT AND BANKER IN MONTROSE FORFAR SHERIFF COURT SC47/40/7
In 1841, Agnes Beattie (nee Hill) (aged 60) was the head of the household and living at Gayfield Cottage in Montrose she's there with her daughter Catherine and son John (both aged 30), John is a wine merchant like his father and also there on census day was her grandson Thomas who was 8 months old - they had 2 servants.
In 1851, Agnes is living at 123 High Street, Montrose, with daughter Catherine and grandson Thomas C Beattie. Her occupation is that of a fund holder- they have only the one house servant now.
There is an advertisement on Google Books - It is in "The Scottish Commercial List" of 1869 by "Seyd & Co" "...- Beattie John and Co. — Montrose, wine and spirit merchant*- James Birnie, Catherine Beattie. 15th July 1870..." (Maybe this could be Agnes's son John and daughter Catherine).
Agnes's grand-daughter, Mary Ann Beattie (b. 1837), daughter of James Beattie and Margaret Fitchett is married to a James Birnie - (maybe this could be the same one or a relative?).
On the 1871 Scotland Census, James Birnie does not appear, but his wife Mary Ann Birnie (nee Beattie) and their children Charles I Birnie and Herbert A Birnie (probably should be read as Robert Birnie) are living with Mary Ann's mother, Margaret Beattie (nee Fitchett) who is the head of the household and also has some of her other children still living with her, they are Catherine, Margaret and Henry (the spelling and the mistakes on this transcription are shocking, particularly in all the ages). They also have a cook. At this time, they were living at 5 Panmure Tow in Montrose.
On the 1881 Scotland Census, James Birnie still does not appear, but his wife Mary Ann Birnie (nee Beattie) and their children Charles J and Robert (listed as Herbert A on the 1871 Scotland Census) are still living with Mary Ann's mother Margaret Beattie, who is the head of the household and whose occupation is still listed as an Annuitant (believe this just means she receives an annuity as income). They are living at 3 Wellington Street in Montrose. It is at this address that Margaret died on 11th January 1882.
Lastly, I found a website that Gayfield Cottage, Montrose and also a James and John Beatty was mentioned on (although names and address were not together - Gayfield Cottage was listed with a Charles Irvine's name) - it was compiled by Michael Dun at
www.1812privateers.org/ADM26/ADM26.pdf it seems to be a list of privateers with details of the ships names - don't know if its relevant in this case as Agnes is living in Gayfield Cottage in 1841, but have no idea how long she would have been there.
For anyone whose got an interest in the Scottish Merchants, Bankers and Shipowners of this time, a couple of good sites are http://www.danbyrnes.com.au/merchants/index.html this is a website book of Merchants and Bankers Listings and he also has another project which is at http://www.merchantnetworks.com.au which is a project in economic and maritime history.
For those of you interested in the Merchant Ships and the East India Company, Anne Bulley does a good book which you can view on google books - it is called "The Bombay Country Ships, 1790-1833"
Anyway hope this is useful.
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I got a PDF of the will and read it, interesting.......and I see more information is posted.....I love this intriguing maze.
Still researching other family members.....
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For anyone still interested in Beattie Fitchett Family Tree - here are all the wills and/or testaments on www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk that I've found so far - (also note that initially thought they were only a couple of pages long with not much relevant info. but theres usually a few pages after the inventories - this is the stuff that contains the families names/connections).
1) James Beattie – born about 1802, Montrose, Forfarshire – Husband of Margaret Fitchett
www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk
BEATTIE JAMES 30/09/1865 AGENT AT MONTROSE FOR BRITISH LINEN COMPANY FORFAR SHERIFF COURT SC47/40/32
2) Margaret Beattie (nee Fitchett) born 1815, Benholm, Kincardineshire – Wife of James Beattie (Number 1. above)
www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk
BEATTIE MARGARET 18/07/1883 OR FITCHET, WELLINGTON PLACE, MONTROSE, WIDOW OF JAMES BEATTIE, BANK AGENT THERE, D. 11/01/1882 AT MONTROSE, TESTATE FORFAR SHERIFF COURT SC47/40/49
3) John Beattie – father of James Beattie (Number 1. Above)
www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk
BEATTIE JOHN 10/11/1830 MERCHANT AND BANKER IN MONTROSE FORFAR SHERIFF COURT SC47/40/7
4) Agnes Beattie (nee Hill) – wife of John Beattie (Number 3. above) and mother of James Beattie (number 1. above)
www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk
BEATTIE, AGNES, MRS. (Reference SC47/40/27 FORFAR SHERIFF COURT)
5) James Beattie – born 1777 in Benholm, Kincardine, Scotland – brother of John Beattie (Number 3. Above).
www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk
BEATTIE, JAMES (Reference SC47/40/29 FORFAR SHERIFF COURT)
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Thank you, any information is great
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Question for Angus. Do you know who Mary Ann Wyllie's parents were? I am collecting Wyllies from that general area.
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Hi Forfarian,
Sorry I'm afraid at this stage don't know who Mary Ann Wyllie's parents are, but if I find out will put it up here.
Angus
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I'll look forward to that, thanks.
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Hi Forfarian,
Just wanted to let you know, was looking at the death records on www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk and found the info. you were looking for the reference is as follows:-
1867 SRI Death FITCHET, MARY ANN (Statutory Deaths 267/00 0020) 04:29:18
Basically, it just says that Mary Ann Fitchet (nee Wyllie), widow of James Fitchet (Farmer) died at the age of 87 on 4th November 1867, it also has in brackets on the entry (illegitimate) this is under James Fitchet's name but on her entry so don't know if it relates to her or him. She died of general paralysis at Mains of Bridgeton St Cyrus, Scotland (this was the family farm) and her son, David Fitchet was present. It lists her father as being Thomas Willie (deceased) - the word father or farmer is listed under his name - can't tell which and her mother is listed as being Mary-Ann Falconer.
Also, you can access the wills/testaments of James Fitchet (Mary Ann Wyllie's husband), her son David Fitchet and daughters Jane and Ann Fitchet (both remained unmarried) all on the Scotlands people website mentioned above.
Hope this helps
Angus
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Thanks. Don't think she is one of mine, or if she is, I don't know where she fits in.
The illegitimate will refer to her, and it will be farmer not father I think.
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Hi my Gt x 5 G/parents were Isobel FITCHET & Thomas MURISON married 1742 at Montrose. I also have a Jane Beattie KINNEAR born 1834 who was my Gt x 3 G/mother Amelia KINNEAR's sister. All from Montrose.
Regards
Shirley
Researching MURISON/KINNEAR/RITCHIE/JACK/LEDINGHAM
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Hi Shirley,
Don't believe these are my relatives, but if you're interested Amelia Kinnear's Will/Testament is available on www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk the reference is as follows:-
MURISON AMELIA 15/09/1893 OR KINNEAR, 100 MURRAY STREET, MONTROSE, D. 04/07/1893 AT MONTROSE, TESTATE FORFAR SHERIFF COURT SC47/40/62
Also the original records listing the marriage contract between Isobel Fitchet and Thomas Murison are available at that site too. The reference for that is:-
18/06/1742 FITCHET, ISOBEL [O.P.R. MARRIAGES 308/00 0010 0026 MARYTON]
Lastly on the IGI (International Geneological Index) search available at www.familysearch.org it lists 5 children born to Thomas and Isobel they were:-
James Murison - christened 3 Apr 1743
William Murison - christened 22 Feb 1744
James Murison - christened 23 Mar 1746
Thomas Murison - christened 23 Mar 1746
John Murison - christened 17 Apr 1748
Hope this is of some assistance.
Angus
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Thanks Angus for your reply
I have Amelia's will thanks and Thomas & Isobel's marriage from the IGI but will take a look at the other info you mention.
Amelia had emigrated from Montrose to USA with husband David MURISON and 3 sons, a daughter was born in Boston in 1853. David was killed in 1856 in the Californian goldrush so Amelia returned to Montrose with the children where she lived for the rest of her life.
Thanks
Shirley
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I have stumbled on some information that may be of value to piece together the Beattie/Fitchet family history.
I have found that James R Beattie, 2nd son of James and Margaret Beattie [Montrose], who worked for the Hudson Bay Company, married Eliza Charlotte Anderson 21/05/1860 by Reverend Edward Cridge [I think in Vancouver]. After extensive travelling, it seems they settled in Fielding, New Zealand.
James R Beattie died [26/09/1890 aged 54 years] is buried with his wife Eliza Charlotte who died [13/7/1918 aged 79 years] in Fielding NZ [photo of the headstone can be seen http://www.mdc.govt.nz
search on cemetery link - type in Beattie.
Apparently they have many descendents in NZ, so looking forward to exchanging any information that can piece together our family history.
Can anyone add to this thread?
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Hi Sanz1 and anyone else that's interested,
If you go to www.ancestry.com.au and go to search on the tool bar and click on public member trees, then on right hand side of the page half way down, click on public member photos and scanned documents, this will take you to a search page if you type in the name James Beattie, the date as 1881 and the location as New Zealand and click on search, this will bring up a picture taken in 1881 of James Beattie in New Zealand, also underneath that are photo of the street sign, "Beattie Street" named after them in Feilding, New Zealand there is also a photo of a 3 day reunion that was held at Manakau, New Zealand for descendents of James Beattie and Eliza Charlotte Anderson. Under that is a family photo of James and Eliza and their children taken in about 1882 at the "Willows" in Beattie Street, Feilding. There is also a picture of the headstone of James and Eliza and a list of their descendants. For a photo of Eliza Charlotte, go through the steps above but in the search criteria, put Eliza Beattie with the date as 1865 and the location, London England and you will get a picture of a younger Eliza.
Angus
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Thanks for the information, will have a look. Do you know if any other siblings come out to NZ?
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Sorry Sanz, not sure if anyone else went to New Zealand.
Angus
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Thanks, I don't need to worry about chasing ghost.....
Now down to more work.
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If you are interested my connection to the Beatties is my great grandmother Mary Wood Beattie 1892-1980 born in Angus.
Great great grandfather was William Beattie 1860-1939 also born in Angus, he married Jane Wood.
Three times great grandfather was James Beattie born 1830 in Fettercairn, Kincardhinshire. He married Barbara Fyfe.