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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Longford => Topic started by: McKeown on Monday 26 July 10 17:33 BST (UK)
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Hi, I am researching the life of a early player for Celtic Football Club as well as my Irish roots.
I have just uncovered a document which states;
Patrick McKeown & Bridget Colligan. Married in Collumhill?? Co. Longford.
Does anyone have any idea where this place could be? I cannot see it anywhere on the web.
Thanks.
Also looking for Michael McKeown & Mary McCallum. Parents of Patrick McKeown b abt 1823.
Thanks.
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Hello,
there looks to be a Collum in Longford plus Colehill ; Cooleshill; Currycahill
http://www.thecore.com/seanruad/
best wishes
heywood
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Thanks Heywood,
Maybe my brain is pickled with all these places, names etc running about my head, but that search engine is pretty difficult to understand.
is there an option to enter in surnames?
Thanks.
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No that is just to check the name of a townland. From that you get the civil parish and that may help in tracing names.
When (about) did your Patrick McKeown and Bridget Colligan marry?
If he is the one born abt 1823, then I suppose around 1850? That is a bit early for most records.
Sometimes, you can find relevant names in Griffiths Valuation - two sites here:
http://griffiths.askaboutireland.ie/gv4/gv_start.php
http://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths.php
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Could it be Columbkille parish?
Griffiths doesn't show any McKeown names but there are McOwen names in that parish.
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Patrick McKeown & Bridget Colligan. Married in Columbkille?? Co. Longford.
I believe this may be the people. As for when they were married it was in 1863.
Can you get a list of McOwen names?
Thanks for this heads up.
C.
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Collumbkille is a Civil Parish in the Barony of Granard, containing 42 townlands.
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Can you get a list of McOwen names?
C.
If you use the links to Griffiths you will be able to see them yourself.
'Failteromhat' site gives you the names and 'AskaboutIreland' site shows you the record which isn't much but has landowner etc.
They are reasonably easy to follow and have an explanation about the valuation.
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http://www.rootschat.com/links/09bi/ might be worth looking at.
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Thank You.
Does this go back to the early 1800's?
All mine were in Scotland by then.
Thanks.
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No, 1901 census is the oldest.
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Thanks
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In Colmbkille the family name is McKeon - note the spelling. Id assume is a Scots name from circa 1700's and of one of two origins in the area:
- Planters, who later turned Catholic
- Ulster Gaels, who settled North Longford from 1700-1750 after pogroms in Strabane and Antrim.
Most notable member was General Sean MacEoin - note the current spelling - whose family are still in the area. As a boy he was a humbler sounding John Joseph McKeon.
Fewof the family use the old spelling now, one who does is Fr Seamus McKeon a local parish priest.
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Thanks Hallmark.
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Shame these posts are old! McKeown- if you pop back, have you by any chance come across a Rose McKeon- born; 26th January 1863 to James McKeon and Maria Whitney in Columkille?
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https://www.johngrenham.com/c_parish/c_parish_main.php?civilparishid=1647&civilparish=Columbkille&county=Longford
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https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0158 Colmcille
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Quite a few buried Colmcille's
http://search.freefind.com/find.html?si=13812782&pid=r&n=0&_charset_=UTF-8&bcd=%C3%B7&query=mckeo*&s=longfordstones
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ALL Civil Reg Birth, Marriage and Death results for McKeon of Granard Reg District 1864+
LINK
any with Returns Page No don't have Images of Certs at moment
Right Click on Names, open in New Tab click Image to view Cert.
Irish Govt BDM Website, Free, safe to use.
solve captcha and use initials to sign in
Use Filters to look for Marriages etc or get them by Decade etc
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what-civil-records-are-on-line ??
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/civil-records/help/what-civil-records-are-on-line
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ALL Civil Reg Birth, Marriage and Death results for McKeon of Granard Reg District 1864+
might as well include the
LINK http://www.rootschat.com/links/01p51/
;D
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I clicked on Marriages, then chose 1880's folder...
there are 2 Roses marrying, James father of both..
So you are really better off checking them for yourself, see if you find younger siblings registered 1864 etc and match up townlands with Marriages.
Births also show Mother's maiden name.
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Quite a few buried Colmcille's
http://search.freefind.com/find.html?si=13812782&pid=r&n=0&_charset_=UTF-8&bcd=%C3%B7&query=mckeo*&s=longfordstones
http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/longford/photos/tombstones/markers.htm
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Hi Hallmark,
Thank you for all your help and information. It was through the parish records link on here that I found that particular Rose McKeon. Had thought for a long time, it was someone else, but the dates didn't add up and I found a family linked to her through another site. Even researched the former Rose's family and had thought I'd got quite far, so when I realised 'my' Rose had married someone who was not my great-grandfather, I went back to her marriage record and death registration and went searching in the parish records.
On Rose McKeon's marriage to my great-grandfather, John Friary, it simply states her place of residence as 'Columkill'. She is aged 20 in 1883, they were married in the chapel of Mullinalaghta in Scrabby and her father's name is James McKeon, so I searched the Scrabby parish records (alt names include: Scrabby and Collumkill, Columcille East, Mullnalaghta, etc) for 1863 and years either side. 26th January 1863. Rose McKeon- father: Jacobi McKeon. Mother: Maria Whitney
Sponsers: Michael McKeon & Catherine Donahoe was the only one I could find that fit her details.
However, I have trawled through the same parish register looking for another child with the same parents, but I am either missing it or there isn't one! Maybe James married again?!
Because of the amount of McKeon's in the area and their love for repeating Christian names, this line of the family is proving tricky!
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No problem
Did you look at the other 6 marriages in 1880's to see if any were siblings?
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Hi Hallmark,
I took your advice- looked through the other marriages for 1880-1889 in both Longford and Granard (seeing as Collumkill +variations could mean either) and found two, whose fathers were listed as James, both in 1888. John McKeon (age 23) m. Kate Tynan- living at Aughnashanna. Witnesses: William McCabe and Mary Keegan. Father James listed as a Farmer.
Thomas McKeon (full age) m. Catherine Whitney- living at Gortmure. Witnesses: Edward Gormley and Maria Collum. Father James listed as a Labourer.
Attempted to trace both John and Thomas's birth registration and couldn't find a record for a John with a father named James for his estimated birth year- 1864-66 (I always give it a couple of years around the age listed, due to the amount of clerical errors, etc in those days). For Thomas, I found a Thomas (b. 1865) in Soran, mother: Mary Conlon. That was the only one I could find that could fit the 'Full age' category on the 1888 wedding.
The most likeliest to be connected to my Rose McKeon would be the Thomas. The father listed as a Labourer matches and one of the witnesses names- Edward Gormley. On my great-great grandparents (John Friary & Rose McKeon) wedding registration, one of their witnesses was Bridget Gormley. Also Thomas married Catherine Whitney and Rose's mother was Maria Whitney! Perhaps James was married twice- first to Maria Whitney and then to Mary Conlon- and Thomas fell for his half sister's cousin?
From all this research, I have picked up on the fact that second marriages don't appear to be uncommon, due to women dying in or soon after childbirth. Both my great x 3 grandfather, Bernard married twice (possibly 3 times. Still got to work that one out!); great x 2 married twice and many of the aunts married twice. Quick widowhood followed by a quick second marriage, because the children needed a mother/father!
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Thomas McKeon (full age) m. Catherine Whitney- living at Gortmure. Witnesses: Edward Gormley and Maria Collum. Father James listed as a Labourer.
Did Catherine not marry Francis McKeon on 14th June 1888 in Drumlish RC Church? Francis from Gortinure townland in Cloone civil parish, Co Leitrim
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1888/10768/5927284.pdf
https://www.townlands.ie/leitrim/mohill/cloone/keeldra/gortinure/
https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/2324734#map=12/53.8698/-7.7270
Here they are in 1901 census - house 4 in Gortinure (Mohill, Leitrim).
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Leitrim/Mohill/Gortinure/1477406/