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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Worcestershire => Topic started by: bagpuss1971 on Tuesday 27 July 10 18:15 BST (UK)
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:)Hello!
My Great Great Nan was born at Bug Hole,Holly Hall,Dudley.
What a wonderful name! - but could anyone let me know where abouts in Dudley that it was.
Many thanks :)
Bagpuss
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Hello Bagpuss
There was a Bughole at Wordsley, now known as Buckpool.
Jackie
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Bagpuss
Dis-regard last message -it was Bugpool - Buckpool (another senior moment-progressing into hours)
Bughole-I think, was near to Pedmore Road,Dudley
Jackie
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Hello Jackie,thanks for the reply.
Its always nice to know where abouts these different places were,and the name Bughole has always made me smile - I'd love to know how the name came about.
Thanks again Jackie :)
bagpuss
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Holly Hall is just outside of Dudley its mainly an estate off the Stourbridge Road and leading onto Woodside then into Lye and Stourbridge ~ must confess never heard of Bug Hole but today I descovered a place called "lonely" which is mid-way from Dudley to Wolverhapmton hope this helps x
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forgot to say best route out of Dudley is the climb past "top Church" on the High Street (or St. Thomas' Parish Church where Duncan Edwards sang in the chior) you keep walking til you come to an area known as Queens cross which to the right is about 4 blocks of high rise flats and to the left the "old" cemetary carry on along this Rd you can't miss Holly Hall bout 10 minutes out x
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My great-grandfather lived at 20 bug hole in the mid 1800's. Sure would like to know why it was called bug hole.
blackgrouse
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Try to find when the houses were built, and then search local papers for that time to see whether there are any stories of colonies of insects etc. being disturbed by the builders.
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I have a feeling it was a tunnel in Wordsley, not Dudley, Dudley comes up all the time as a registration area. I doubt if years ago anyone would have been bothered about a colony of bugs, they were happy living with much worse! ;)
Linell.
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Depends on what the bugs were though!
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My Dad was born along the Stourbridge Rd nr Woodside which is just outside Holly Hall which is most definatly Dudley not Wordsley. Holly Hall is a good 3 miles away from Wordesley maybe more my children were born in Wordsely x
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Hi
It seems to have been half way between Round Oak and Brettell Lane.
There was a train accident which is described here on Wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Round_Oak_rail_accident
and page 150 here http://www.rootschat.com/links/0c3o/
If you can find an old map you can probably work it out.
I found a reference to a Bug Hole near Willenhall, that one is said to be from bwk or a goblin - a mile from Pouk Hill near Walsall Wood, see http://www.rootschat.com/links/0c3p/
It could be something similar since there is Powkes Lane not so far away, isn't there?
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But as Linell said, that is Wordsley way rather than Holy Hall so perhaps this is another one?
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found a couple more links that may be of help
http://www.griffs4bears.co.uk/census/2058.html
http://genealogy.heydon.org/streets.php?s=&p=Dudley&t=&o=ea
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=367441.0
this link mentions Bumble Hole which is Wordsley I think its where confusion is x
https://www.dudley.gov.uk/welcome/news-in-dudley/2007-news-archive/november-2007/tell-us-more
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Thanks for the links Gardener and Angel Eyes. A lot of the confusion is due to the Registration District, Kingswinford (Ambelcote, Brettell Lane, Round Oak, Brierley Hill, Quarry Bank, Saltwells, Pensnett, Brockmoor, Bromley) comes under Dudley. I will pull out my old maps and have a better look. Linell.
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It looks as though there were two then. It should be posible to look at the enumerator's record page for the Bug Hole on piece 2058 from 1861, and work out exactly were it was.
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I found it on my map. It is between Brierley Hill and Wordsley, just south of the Stourbridge Canal, next to a Colliery, could well be the name of the Colliery?? The Wordsley Glass Houses are to the south, think that is where the Red Cone Glass Museum is today. As Gardener says maybe there is another one nearer Dudley? Linell.
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:) This is all great,thank you so much for your help.The enumerators page states:
"Part of the parish of Dudley called Holly Hall commencing at Bug Hole low town to the railway bridge the parish boundary also commencing at Mr(looks like)Salts Holly Hall Harts Hill and houses at the back to the parish boundary namely the canal including the house late Will.Rollasone"
The addresses change after Bug Hole to Low Town,then Holly Hall,then Harts Hill,then West St,Wood St,Chapel St,what looks like Price or Grice St,then may be a High st??
bagpuss
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7135 instances of Salt, 46 instances of Salts in the ONS 2002 surnames of England and Wales website, so the surname Salt(s) is certainly possible.
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Hope this link helps with the BUG
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calymene_blumenbachi
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Wish I had found this thread earlier I have 4 ancestors living in Bug Hole Dudley in 1861 We went to the Black Country museum Monday and asked and asked but no one had ever heard of it so we were left wondering. Anyway one of my lot was leeping a pub at 6 Bughoe I would love to know its name
1861
6 Bug Hole Daniel BAKER Inn keeper
7 Samuel SHARE Provisions Dealer
8 John SHARE Coal miner
25 Joseph SHARE colliery labourer
John,Samuel and Joseph were all sons of Mrs Daniel BAKER
Daniel had previously been a PC in Holly Hall Now Sarah SHARE was a widow and a victualler in 1851 in Holly Hall and her second husband is the inn keeper at 6 Bug Hole in 1861
So did she move or is it the same Inn ie are Bug Hole and Holly Hall one and the same? So what was the name of the Inn?
I think that information about the Dudley Bug is very interesting.
Trees
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I think Trees your information may lie at Dudley Archives which is based at Mount Pleasant, Coseley the staff are excellent helpers and full of local knowledge x
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Just to add a bit more In the PO Directory of 1850 Sarah Share is listed at The Kings Head Holly Hall.At one time I had a discussion here http://www.midlandspubs.co.uk/genealogy/worcestershire/index.html when it seems that the Kings Head and the King William were one and the same but appear to be near Pensnett road I wonder if anyone local to Dudley would agree to that conclusion
I will enquire at the Archive service as you suggest but have no idea when we will get back to that area we took a day to visit the museum on our way north last week (well worth a visit)
Many thanks
trees
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Ah
The 'Dudley Bug' is a Trilobite that has become the symbol of the town of Dudley in the English West Midlands.
So thats where the name comes from a fossilised trilobite found in the area
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Wish I had found this thread earlier I have 4 ancestors living in Bug Hole Dudley in 1861 We went to the Black Country museum Monday and asked and asked but no one had ever heard of it so we were left wondering. Anyway one of my lot was leeping a pub at 6 Bughoe I would love to know its name
1861
6 Bug Hole Daniel BAKER Inn keeper
7 Samuel SHARE Provisions Dealer
8 John SHARE Coal miner
25 Joseph SHARE colliery labourer
John,Samuel and Joseph were all sons of Mrs Daniel BAKER
Daniel had previously been a PC in Holly Hall Now Sarah SHARE was a widow and a victualler in 1851 in Holly Hall and her second husband is the inn keeper at 6 Bug Hole in 1861
So did she move or is it the same Inn ie are Bug Hole and Holly Hall one and the same? So what was the name of the Inn?
I think that information about the Dudley Bug is very interesting.
Trees
Hi Sarah Share was my great grammar she was born In the U.S.A. In 1850/1948 her first child my grandfather also born in U.S.A thay lived In Low town until thay died my mother also was born in low town
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Sorry this Sarah Share is not yours . Mine was born Sarah Whitehouse in 1795 Kingswinford married Samuel Share in Kingswinford in 1812 she and Samuel moved to Holly Hall where she was widowed in 1849 and then she kept a pub in Holly Hall and married Daniel Baker .
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Hi Your Samuel Share and Sarah had two children Sharlotte and Joseph when he died on 20 Th Jan;1849 thay were living In Sedgley he is buried in All Saints Church Yard .by the way the pub in Low Town was the Jolly Collier
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Hello alancfradgley are you related to the couple?
Actually Samuel and Sarah had five children that I know of
John 1813
Samuel 1815
Sarah 1818
Charlotte 1825
and Joseph 1827
I am curious as to why there was a gap between Sarah and Charlotte any ideas?
How did you find the name of the pub ? its eluded me for years but there is a listing in Post Office Directory of Birmingham, Staffordshire & Worcestershire, 1850 for Sarah Share King's Head, Holly Hall so I think that is more likely the pub
Samuel was listed in Pigot's 1835 as a retailer of Beer while a Thomas Morris was at the Jollie Collier
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I found the Jolly Collier on Google also on my grandfathers 1939 register for Eng; & Wales
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Gaps often appear when there are babies lost such as miscarriages or stillbirths.
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Seven years seems a long time I wonder was Samuel in the forces or even jail worth a look perhaps but I doubt it was the latter or he surely would never have been granted a licence.
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Hi alancfradgley
You didn't say if the Shares are on your tree? If they are I can help you quite a bit. There seem to have been several pubs/taverns and beerhouses around in the 1850s. The only mention I have to the name of one kept by Sarah was the Kings Head on the 1851 census and then in the County Express; Brierley Hill, Stourbridge, Kidderminster, and Dudley News 10 April 1869 " Transfer of Licenses
The King William Inn, Holly Hall, from Daniel Baker, deceased, to Sarah Baker." Daniel Baker was Sarah's second husband. i made several enquiries and was told the King's Head was the King William. How well do you know the history of the Jolly Collier ? I know it is in the 1835 Pigot and Co.'s National Commercial Directory ...: Worcestershire
Regards
Trees
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Hi yes there is a lot of Shares in my family tree I can go back to 1842 with my great great grand father in the U.S.A his first child my great grammar Sarah Share born 1850/1948 in U.S.A She had the shop In Low Town No 10. I used to go and see her a lot my grandfather Samuel Taylor lived at No 43 Low Town He was also born in U.S.A. a lot of the Shares lived In Ivano St just off the Stourbridge Road Dudley
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OK you have got me curious can you tell me where I can see your tree to compare it with mine. So far I have not found a Share going to or coming back from the USA. Am I right in thinking your Gt Grandmother was a Sarah Share and married a Taylor? Her son Samuel was born in the USA but lived in Dudley in 1939?The nearest one I can find in 1939 was born 1875 and married to Nancy but they are at 19 Low Town not 10and no mention of the Jollie Collier, is this the right couple?
Ah now is this right Sarah Share married a Taylor was widowed and then married a Joseph Lloyd in 1884 is that right? but who was Sarah's father?
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That's my Joseph Lloyd named after his Uncle Joseph (my gt gt grandfather) who was killed in a pit accident.
Joseph who married Sarah Share was the son of James Lloyd and Hannah Hickman.
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Wow how interesting good old Rootschat it really solves a few interesting family stories,
Now who were this Sarah's parents and how do they link to mine?
I go back to Thomas Share born Sedgley 1760 son of Thomas and Ann Share my husband's 6x gt grand parents so if we can link this Sarah to my tree I shall be happy to help you both back a few generations
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Medpat are you the owner of the An..try Lloyd family tree? If so you ill be interested to know that Ann Baker born ant 1850 is in the tree. She was daughter of Charlotte Share and John Baker
GRO Reference: 1850 S Quarter in DUDLEY Volume 18 Page BAKER, ANN mother's maiden name SHARE
1851
HO107/2032 fo575 p45
Charlotte was mentioned here reply 27, Tuesday 19 May 20 11:39 BST (UK) she was the daughter of the Samuel and Sarah Share that rekindled this topic
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Now this is interesting in 1861RG 9/2058 fo 22 p 2 Ann Baker is with Daniel and Sarah Baker(formally Share nee Whitehouse)as grand daughter and they have a servant Selina Hickman I wonder was there a commection to your Hannah Hickman Medpat? Was Ann the granddaughter of Daniel or Sarah? Seems a daft question but Ann was daugther of Charlotte Share ie Sarah's Daughter and her husband John Baker who as yet I have not been able to connect to Daniel Baker. Has anyone else managed to connect them?
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I am the owner of that tree and Ann married my Joseph Lloyd and they had 2 children. I don't look at inlaws so don't have her parents but have the marriage banns on my tree naming her father as John Baker.
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Well the grandson is named Daniel. The children could be both their grandchildren via both their parents.
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So if I've got this right
Ann Baker daughter of Charlotte SHARE who in turn was daughter of Samuel SHARE and Sarah nee Whitehouse married Joseph LLOYD Ann died in 1874 and Joseph then married Sarah Taylor nee SHARE who had been born in PA in about 1855.
This Sarah first married a TAYLOR and had two children Samuel born in PA bout 1875 and Annie born in Dudley in 1878
So who were American Sarah's parents?
Just to add to the confusion John Share son of Samuel and Sarah nee Whitehouse married a Mary Lloyd in 1837 how does she fit in?
(Josep LLOYDand Ann Baker's marriage is on Free Reg)
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My great grammar born 1850 in America her farther was Samuel Share 1831/1896 her mother Ann Brown 1834/1862 her first husband Joseph Taylor dob 1842 they married in 1868 .when Sarah was born her mother was 16 and her father was 19
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Bug hole after about 1861 became Low Town were some of my relations lived
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Well done alancfradgley now we are getting ther
At the Church of St Mary in the Parish of Kingswinford in the county of Stafford
1852 Jany 26 1852
Samuel SHARE full Bachelor Miner The Oak Joseph SHARE Miner
? X Ann BROWN full Spinster Tailoress The Oak Benjamin BROWN Miner
Church St Mary by rites of Established Church after banns George GILBANK
In presence of X Thomas MASON X Sarah SMITH
1841 HO107/1196/11 fo18 p29 Ann Brown was age 7 with Benjamin and Sarah Brown
As you can see they were being shy about their ages at the wedding!Their daughter Sarah however was baptised in the UK unless she died and they had another in the US
Sarah SHARE
Birth: 17 AUG 1854
Christening: 08 FEB 1857 Saint Thomas, Dudley, Worcester, England
Father: SAMUEL SHARE
Mother: ANN
There are other baptisms:
Joseph SHARE
Birth: 22 APR 1858
Christening: 13 JUN 1858 Saint Thomas, Dudley, Worcester, England
Father: SAMUEL SHARE
Mother: ANN
Samuel SHARE
Birth: 27 NOV 1861
Christening: 06 APR 1862 St Thomas, Dudley, Worcester
Father: SAMUEL SHARE
Mother: ANN
So they came back around 1856/7
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Medpat you have shown a marriage for her and Joseph Lloyd giving her father as SAMUEL
This fits with what alancfradgley has just told us
So were there two Samuel and Anns those baptisms don't realy bear out the USA part of the story.
But on n her Llooyd cencuses she is born IN PA about 1855 the date is ok for the Dudley baptism
alancfradgley how sure are you of Sarah being born 1850 not 1854 this all fits rather well even the delay in her baptism could indicate they were away at the time of her birth
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Ann nee Brown died in 1862 and Samuel remarried between 1862 and 1871 but I haven't found a marriage to a Margaret yet.
In 1881 he too was a landlord
RG11/2878 fo110 p40 ed: Dudley, Dudley 23
cp: -, mb: Dudley, mw: St James, Woodside, pb: Dudley, tvh: -, usd: Dudley, rsd: -, ep: St Thomas
sch: 190 7 Stourbridge Rd Holly Hall Old Coach & Horses
Samuel SHARE Head Mar 50 Licensed Victualler Worcestersh Dudley
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The Mary Lloyd that married a Share is not my Mary Lloyd as she married John Price and then Thomas Hyde - I do have a DNA Lloyd link with people who are related to this Mary via the Price link.
There are lots of Lloyd DNA links for this family on DNA sites.
Pennsylvania is a mining area and they would have needed miners from abroad to keep up with the industrial revolution in UK. It may not have worked out so they came back. When Sarah went is difficult to say but if young enough she could think that's where she was born - or just trying to give herself a interesting birth.
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Found these
First name(s) Samuel
Last name Share
Birth place Holly Hall
Baptism year 1832
Baptism date 05 Feb 1832
Residence Kingswinford, Stafford, England
Place Kingswinford
Father's first name(s) Samuel
Father's last name Share
Mother's first name(s) Rachel
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First name(s) Samuel
Last name Share
Baptism year 1831
Baptism date 27 Feb 1831
Place Dudley
Father's first name(s) Joseph
Father's last name Share
Mother's first name(s) Nancy
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I have Samuel as son of Joseph (1788-1832) and Nancy nee Whitehouse re the marriage to Ann BROWN gives his father as Joseph.
Joseph and Nancy had 8 children
The other SAMUEL's parents were Samuel (1806-1869)and Rachel Mason, his father was son of Samuel (1777-1854)and Juliet Whitehouse
Its amazing how often the Whitehouse and Share families intertwine.
Nancy,Juliet and Sarah were sisters
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Sarah Share was born in Mocanaqua City Luzern county Pennsylvania in 1850 she came to England the first time age 10 months and returned aged 11 and was married 7 years later Mocanaqua city was a mining place I have found it and been there Pop 646 Sarah made 11 Atlantic sea crossings In her life she was a widow at 26 I remember her well and used to go and see her most Sundays she told me a lot about her early life all this is correct I was born 1933
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alancfradgley you are so lucky to be able to remember them so well. It must have been wonderful hearing Sarah's stories. How amazing to make all those long sea crossings it makes us humble when we think how much easier it is to travel these days. Now are you saying the date of birth on the baptism is wrong for Sarah? If this Sarah was born overseas it would nicely explain the delay in her baptism wouldn't it? Do you think the clerk got her date of birth wrong? The information for her siblings Joseph and SAMUEL is spot on.
In 1861 RG 9/2058 fo10 p14
Sarah Share 6
Joseph Share 3
and 1871 RG10/3013 fo 75 p18
Joseph Son 13
which match the baptism information for Sarah and Joseph
Sarah SHARE
Birth: 17 AUG 1854
Christening: 08 FEB 1857 Saint Thomas, Dudley, Worcester, England
Father: SAMUEL SHARE
Mother: ANN
Joseph SHARE
Birth: 22 APR 1858
Christening: 13 JUN 1858 Saint Thomas, Dudley, Worcester, England
Father: SAMUEL SHARE
Mother: ANN
Samuel SHARE
Birth: 27 NOV 1861
Christening: 06 APR 1862 St Thomas, Dudley, Worcester
Father: SAMUEL SHARE
Mother: ANN
I think this is Samuel's birth and death registrations both fit with the baptism information
SHARE, SAMUEL BROWN
GRO Reference: 1861 D Quarter in DUDLEY Volume 06C Page 141
SHARE, SAMUEL 0
GRO Reference: 1862 J Quarter in DUDLEY Volume 06C Page 68
Do you think there is a mistake somewhere along the line?
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alancfradgley was their travel to and from Pensylvania purely for work? Did religion play any part?
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Did Samuel (1831) marry Margaret in the USA after Ann had died and before 1871?
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alancfradgley I thought I'd follow up your lead re the 1939 register and found just as you said we would find
Sarah LLOYD is at 10 Low Town next to the Jolly Collier keeping a shop she is a widow born 17 Aug 1854 with her are Richard and Ann EVANS who I think was her daughter Ann LLOYD.
Further down the page at 19 Low Town is Samuel Taylor born 3 Mar 1875 with Nancy Taylor born 25 July 1875.
So far I can't find a connection to the Jolly Collier other than the shop is next door but I'll keep looking.
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Reported by alancfradgley on Today at 11:08. They left the following message:
When the pits closed in Mocanaqua. a Anthersite pit opend in1869 ferther up the mountain in Glen Lyon and my great grand father got a job opperating the pit doors
Hi ,
You seem to have reported this to the Moderators instead of posting on the topic...........
ev
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Thank you ev it would have been a pity to miss alancfradgley' interesting addition
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Hi Medpat on your tree you have Moses Lloyd married to Ruth Amelia Share
Her baptism is on Free Reg she is the daughter of Joseph (1827-1892)and Mary Jane nee Horton
Joseph was a son of our old friends Samuel and Sarah nee Whitehouse.
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I don't follow inlaw's family usually but thank you Trees. I sometimes put a census on when I know it's them but I only download the inlaw from the census.
My father knew very little of his relatives as his parents moved to Walsall before he was born. There were lots of his relatives not far from him but money was scarce.
The only Lloyds I ever met as a child were my grandparents and aunts and uncle. I have met a distant cousin recently but she was born in USA although she has lived in UK for a long time.
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I am looking for Ifo on Ann Brown my great great granmar she was Sarah Share,s mother
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It's a small world - I am descendant of the Lloyds from Bughole, Worcestershire:
James Lloyd and Hannah Hickmans (then through their son Samuel)
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Hi your Samuel Lloyd was my great grans brother in laws son born in Bughole 1851 he married Martha Blunt In 1869 and had Two children Samuel 1890/1891 and Mary 1892 /1974
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Well we are cousins as my gt gt grandfather was James's brother Joseph Lloyd.
My 3rd gt grandparents is where we meet John Lloyd and Honor Pearson.
I have DNA links to several of John and Honor's children's descendants.
Samuel and Martha Blunt had lots of children but only 4 survived infancy.
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Hannah Hickmans gave me a run about to find but eventually found the problem was her mother married three times
In case you haven't already got the information
Hannah Hickmas married James LLOYD in Kingswinford in 1831
one of her daughters had the second name Hodgetts
Hannah's parents were
John Knowles Hickmans and Maria Hodgetts who married 21 Oct 1810 in Kingswinford
John died in 1815
Maria married James BROWNHILL in Tipton 27 Dec 1819
James died in 1828 and Maria married Richard Hadlington 05 Aug 1833 in Old Swinford
she is with Hannah in 1871 as Maria Adlington mother
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I checked on Hannah's family as I found some people had different Hannahs for James's wife. GRO with the MMN now is helpful. Ann Hodgetts Lloyd was the give away.
I haven't got the problem with Hannah's mother and her marriages, I don't put in-laws families on my tree. My family is the Lloyds via James's brother Joseph. :)
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Hi can you let me have some dates for your James and Joseph birth and death as there are a No of them in my tree thanks Alan
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my gt gt grandfather Joseph Lloyd was baptised 10th July 1814 St Thomas's Dudley
married Ann Davis 25th August 1835 Oldswinford - had 5 children
died 7th January 1843 aged 28 due to a fall of coal registered Stourbridge
James baptised 25th February 1810 St Thomas's Dudley
married Hannah Hickmans 14th August 1831 Kingswinford 11 children
died first quarter 1865 aged 54 registered Dudley
Sons of John Lloyd abt 1788 - 1853 and Honor Pearson abt 1783 - 1866
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Sorry I thought it hadn't posted earlier
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Hi just to let you know James Lloyd 1810/1865 was my Grt;grans Sarah Taylor/Lloyd father In law
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After long hard research I finally found it!
LOWTOWN near Holly Hall. Opposite the King William Pub in Pensnett Road there is a driveway marked Low Town next to AB Fab Hairdressers. This driveway leads to waste land where Bug Hole / Low Town once stood. It contains Buck Pool and Fens Pool.
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King William Pub in Pensnett Road
The King William IV was opened during the reign of that monarch. From directory entries it is known that Sarah SHARE nee WHITEHOUSE was the victualler of the pub at 8 Pensnett Road between 1850 - 1861 although at that time it was known as The King's Head. In 1841 her first husband Samuel is listed as a coal miner but it was not uncommon for a small family house to be run as a pub by the wife while the husband pursued a different occupation. The couple probably set a bar up in their home between 1830 and 1837. Samuel died in the first quarter of 1849 and Sarah continued to run the establishment alone. The Post Office Directory of Birmingham, Staffordshire & Worcestershire 1850 has “King's Head Mrs S. SHARE Holly Hall Dudley”. Similarly Slater's Directory for 1851 has “King's Head Sarah SHARE Holly Hall”. A Samuel SHARE is listed in the same PO Directory and Sarah SHARE in the Slater's directory as shopkeeper. These are thought to be Samuel and his wife Sarah nee WALL who lived next to the pub.
In 1851 Daniel BAKER, a constable, was lodging at the pub. Sarah and Daniel married in 1853 and Daniel was listed as the publican at 6 Bug Hole on the 1861 census. Sarah died in 1867
After Sarah and Daniel the next record so far found is an entry in the PO Directory for 1876 which has “SHARE Samuel King's Head Holly Hall.” This is thought to be Sarah's nephew Samuel son of Joseph SHARE and Nancy. Sarah’s son Samuel had died in the first quarter of 1871, his wife Sarah nee WALL was still listed as a shop keeper in the Post Office Directory of 1876. Samuel moved to the Old Coach and Horses and his son Joseph SHARE was managing the King William in 1881 but in 1891 Joseph was a bar man in his father’s pub. In 1891 a Joshuah MANTLE was keeping the King William, 8 Pensnett Road, no family connection with him has been found.
The Old Coach and Horses was in Stourbridge Road, Woodside, the “ Old” in its title was added to distinguish it from another Coach and Horses, also located on the Stourbridge Road. Samuel SHARE was the publican from 1881. He is also listed there in both Kelly’s Directories for 1892 and 1896. The original pub was gutted by a fire and demolished. The existing pub was a replacement building which opened in 1965.
In Kelly's Directory of Worcestershire 1896 a Joseph SHARE is at the Seven Stars Public House, 20-21 Market Place. This may well be the same Joseph as no other has been found on the censuses for 1891 and 1901. Joseph died in 1898.