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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Antrim => Topic started by: brc on Thursday 29 July 10 17:03 BST (UK)
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Hello,
I would be interested to hear from anyone related to Bernard Downey (son of James Downey and Catherine O'Neill) born 1894 and who wed Elizabeth Kearney (daughter of John and Annie) in Hannahstown in 1920. I can find the Downeys in 1901 and 1911 but not the Kearneys. Also I found the marriage record of James Downey and Catherine O'Neill in Hannahstown in 1882 but can't find one for John Kearney to Annie. They were all Roman Catholics.
Many thanks.
Brian
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Hey how are you doing? I have done some family research and think that the Bernard Downey you mention is my great gaprandfather. How is your research going? Please get in touch. Hope to hear from you soon.
Phil
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Brian, could these be the people you seek?
Marriage:
Urban No. 9 Belfast
Roman Catholic
25 January 1894
John Kearney
full age
occ: labourer
res: Hannahstown
father: Andrew Kearney occ: labourer
Annie Adams
full age
occ: -----
res: Hannahstown
father:Hugh Adams occ: labourer
witnesses: James Downy & Mary Duffy
this can be found on https://geni.nidirect.gov.uk/ otherwise known as GRONI
Hope this helps, Kim
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Hi Kim,
Do you have any info on the Downey family mentioned?
Phil
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Hi, exactly what are you looking for? Do you have any information on the Downey family? Kim
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Hi Kim thanks for the reply.
I'm new to researching, but am sure that this James Downey and Catherine O'Neill are my great great grand parents.
Bernard Downey born around 1884 is my great grandfather. He married Elizabeth Kearney who died apparently during childbirth with their son Hugh around 1928. Bernard remarried a lady called Sarah, unfortunately I don't have a surname for Sarah.
My grandfather, son of Bernard and Elizabeth, is also called Bernard Downey.
I'm interested in any information at all.
Thanks for your help
Phil
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Hi Phil, found some info for you. Working backwards......
Marriage:
27 Nov 1920 Belfast Roman Catholic
Bernard Downey age: full age
add: Hannahstown
rel: Roman Catholic
occ: labourer
father: James Downey occ: labourer
Elizabeth Kearney age: full age
add: Glen Road
rel: Roman Catholic
father: John Kearney occ: labourer
witnesses: Thomas Heoketh & Mary Kearney
1911 Ireland census: Hannahstown, Ballygomartin, co Antrim
James Downey age:49 head of house Roman Catholic born: Antrim occ: surfaceman married
Catherine Downey age:47 wife Roman Catholic born: Derry married 28 yrs 10 children,7 living
Patrick Downey age:25 son born: Antrim
Francis Downey age:20 son born: Antrim
Thomas James Downey age:23 son born: Antrim
Bernard Downey age:17 son born: Antrim
Sarah Ann Downey age:15 daughter born: Antrim
1901 Ireland census: Hannahstown,Ballygomartin, co Antrim
James Downey age:40 head of house
Catherine Downey age:41 wife
Sarah Ann Downey age:4 daughter
James Downey age:13 son
Bernard Downey age:6 son
John Downey age:7 son
George Downey age:10 son
Patrick Downey age:15 son
Robert Downey age:18 son
Francis Downey age:9 son
Marriage: (of Bernard's parents)
13 Sept 1882 Belfast Roman Catholic St Mary's
James Downey age: full age
add: Hannahstown
rel: Roman Catholic
occ: worker
father: Robert Downey occ: schoolmaster (dec.)
Catherine O'Neill age: full age
add: Belfast & Hannahstown
rel: Roman Catholic
occ: millworker
father: Thomas O'Neill occ: labourer (dec.)
witnesses: John Joseph Cowan & Catherine Curly
children to James Downey & Catherine O'Neill:
Robert born:18 Feb 1883 bap:9 March 1883 Urban 4 civil, Belfast
Thomas James born:25 Aug 1884 bap: 11 Aug 1884 (think dates mistranscribed)
Patrick Joseph bap: 10 March 1886 Hannahstown
Thomas James bap: 13 June 1887
Mary Ann bap: 12 Oct 1888
George bap: 22 Nov 1889
Francis bap: 5 April 1891
Bernard bap: 5 Aug 1894
Sarah Anne bap: 26 Jan 1896
** I could not locate the birth or baptism for children John nor James
** could not locate the marriage of James Downey parents Robert Downey & Ellen Burns/Byrnes
children to Robert Downey & Ellen Burns/Byrnes:
James Patrick bap: 2 Feb 1854 Dromore, co Down Roman Catholic
Robert bap: 29 March 1857
Hugh bap: 8 July 1859
Thomas bap: 23 Feb 1863
Hugh bap: 25 July 1864
Marriage: (of Elizabeth Kearney's parents)
25 January 1894 Belfast
John Kearney age: full age
add: Hannahstown
rel: Roman Catholic
occ: labourer
father: Andrew Kearney occ: labourer
Anne Adams age: full age
add: Hannahstown
rel: Roman Catholic
father: Hugh Adams occ: labourer
children to John Andrew Kearney & Anne Adams:
Hugh Adam Kearney bap: 6 Jan 1895
Elizabeth Kearney bap: 19 Aug 1900
Birth:
John Kearney
bap: 12 Nov 1871 Hannahstown
father: Andrew Kearney
mother: Mary Kane
Anne Maria Adams
bap: 2 Feb 1872 Hannahstown
father: Hugh Adams
mother: Catherine Hamill
Hope this helps, Kim
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Kim
Thank you very much. That is fantastic and has really helped me out a lot
I thanks again
Phil
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Hello Phil & Kim
Robert DOWNEY & Rose Ellen BURNS are my maternal great-great grandparents. Their son Robert Jnr is my great grandfather. He married Susan LONG at Dromore RC Church, she died in childbirth, and his 2nd wife was a protestant girl Gertrude Annie FAULKNER from Desertlyn, Londonderry where they married circa 1885 and we assume this is when he gave up his catholic faith. My mother is related down through Robert & Getrude.
I have Robert Snr and Rose Ellen married on 1st January 1854 at Dromore RC Church.
I have a possible baptism for Robert Snr on 20th Jan 1828 at Dromore RC Church to a James DOWNEY and Margaret CROTHERS. This has not been confirmed, but I am awaiting a reply from the Dromore RC Church clerk, who has offered to look up the church records for me.
I will keep in touch and pass on any information I receive from Dromore.
Regards from Wollongong, Australia
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... I have a possible baptism for Robert Snr on 20th Jan 1828 at Dromore RC Church to a James DOWNEY and Margaret CROTHERS. This has not been confirmed, but I am awaiting a reply from the Dromore RC Church clerk, who has offered to look up the church records for me.
The original register entry for this baptism is online, right page, second entry down:
http://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633268#page/21/mode/1up
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You may have seen this, but just posting for the convenience of others reading this topic, the marriage of Robert Downey to Rose Burns in 1854, witnesses John Lavery and Jane Magee:
http://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633269#page/74/mode/1up
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... Robert DOWNEY & Rose Ellen BURNS are my maternal great-great grandparents. Their son Robert Jnr is my great grandfather. He married Susan LONG at Dromore RC Church, she died in childbirth, and his 2nd wife was a protestant girl Gertrude Annie FAULKNER from Desertlyn, Londonderry where they married circa 1885 and we assume this is when he gave up his catholic faith ..
May be having a senior moment, but the only marriage I can see of a Robert Downey to Susan Long in the relevant timeframe took place in 1877 in County Leitrim, some considerable distance from the geographic context to this point of Dromore County Down. There is a Leitrim townland in County Down, but the Robert Downey / Susan Long marriage definitely took place many miles away in County Leitrim.
I'm also struggling to find a civil marriage record on GRONI online for Robert Downey and Gertrude Annie Faulkner, do you have any further information?
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There seem to be a few things that don't add up here :-\
Robert Downey and family in 1911 census-
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Down/Pottinger__part_of_/Hornby_Street/221527
Wife Gertrude Ann born Belfast (not Co.Derry), married 36 years (c1875) with 12 children but only 7 living children.
I haven't found the marriage yet either but did find daughter Ellen's birth registration-
Ellen Downey, 24 Jan.1889 Belfast (mother- Faulkner)
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Found the family in 1901- should be Lecumpher St.:
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Down/Pottinger/Lecumpper_Street/1261804
'Annie' (aka Gertrude) born co,Derry this time
Also found more Belfast birth registrations but there's at least one other Downey/Faulkner couple having children at the same time.
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Found an online tree (with errors) which says Gertrude Ann Faulkner born 5 Feb.1857 Londonderry, Co.Londonderry and died 4 Feb.1919 Belfast, Co.Antrim.
Note: tree shows a son John Downey (died WWI) but his (attached) army record gives mother Jane as next of kin ::)
Still doesn't explain the 'missing' marriage
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It is really REALLY annoying to spend time searching lots of places and type up details to post only to then find that the information has already been asked for (and searched/found) long ago :o >:( ::)
Trying to fond information on my gg-grandfather Robert Downey, born abt 1853 Co Down. The 1911 census has him listed as 48yrs old but that must be incorrect, listed as 36yrs married (would make him 12, 10 yrs wrong). Many scratch out/corrections on form. Wife listed as Gertrude Ann (Faulkner) 2nd wife, age 41 born abt 1870. Any information would be great!!
reply #1 gives 1901 census & Gertrude's baptism
reply #3 says marriage not found
reply #4 details from death certificates
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http://www.belfastforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=37327.0
Won't bother posting any of the new information I found :-X
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Actually, I do need to post 1 more thing from an older thread-
My maternal GG Grandfather is John Rowley Faulkner Snr, married to Jane Ross 13th Jan 1888. He was a Sgt in the 2nd Battalion RIF at St Camp Aldershot at the time of his marriage. Their dtr Gertrude Annie was my Great Grandmother. Are you related to this family ???
Anne
Australia
Baptism posted on other forum gives her father as James not John.
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Hi Anne
Did the priest in Dromore get back to you?
Best wishes
Ohil
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Hi all , sorry for the delay in getting back to you.
Yes the kindly church office girl came back to me with the confirmation that a Robert DOWNEY was baptised on 20th Jan 1828 at Dromore RC Church to a James DOWNEY and Margaret CROTHERS.
The question is of course is this MY Robert Downey.
I have looked through the Catholic records on-line for Dromore back to 1823, but no marriage for James and Margaret. It was noted on Robert's baptism that his mother Margaret came from Magherabeg so I thought she may have married James back in her home town, but apparently the marriage would probably have taken place in Dromore as it was the parish church for that area.
Unfortunately the marriage records for Dromore Church only go back to 1823, so while Robert was born 1828 and a brother in 1832, they could be the last of a dozen children going back before 1823, meaning James and Margaret could have been married well before 1823.
Will keep looking and advise you of any more news.
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Actually, I do need to post 1 more thing from an older thread-
My maternal GG Grandfather is John Rowley Faulkner Snr, married to Jane Ross 13th Jan 1888. He was a Sgt in the 2nd Battalion RIF at St Camp Aldershot at the time of his marriage. Their dtr Gertrude Annie was my Great Grandmother. Are you related to this family ???
Anne
Australia
Baptism posted on other forum gives her father as James not John.
My apologies for my incorrect post - Gertrude Annie Faulkner's father was JAMES not John. John Rowley is Gertrude's brother.
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Robert Downey and family in 1911 census-
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Down/Pottinger__part_of_/Hornby_Street/221527
Wife Gertrude Ann born Belfast (not Co.Derry), married 36 years (c1875) with 12 children but only 7 living children.
I haven't found the marriage yet either but did find daughter Ellen's birth registration-
Ellen Downey, 24 Jan.1889 Belfast (mother- Faulkner)
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Hello All. Re Gertrude Annie FAULKNER. (my great grandmother)
I have a copy of the 1911 Census with my uncle's handwriting crossing out the 36 years married and changed to 26 years. (Gertrude was his grandmother) He also has penciled a note at the bottom, that they "eloped to marry". Considering her husband Robert was from a Catholic family and she a Protestant, this makes this eloped option quite possible. Where they went to get married of course is the question, she was born in Desertlyn in County Derry, but they probably went further afield - maybe the Registry Office in Belfast ?? I have no record or notation from my late uncle's vast genealogical notes in regards to this marriage.
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H Annie it's been a while, how are you? Have you found anything for James and Margaret or if this robert was yours?
Best wishes
Phil