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Title: Downey/O'Neill/Kearney
Post by: brc on Thursday 29 July 10 17:03 BST (UK)
Hello,
 I would be interested to hear from anyone related to Bernard Downey (son of James Downey and Catherine O'Neill) born 1894 and who wed Elizabeth Kearney (daughter of John and Annie) in Hannahstown in 1920. I can find the Downeys in 1901 and 1911 but not the Kearneys. Also I found the marriage record of James Downey and Catherine O'Neill in Hannahstown in 1882 but can't find one for John Kearney to Annie. They were all Roman Catholics.
 Many thanks.
 Brian
Title: Re: Downey/O'Neill/Kearney
Post by: Mightyquinn81 on Friday 11 September 15 21:18 BST (UK)
Hey how are you doing? I have done some family research and think that the Bernard Downey you mention is my great gaprandfather. How is your research going? Please get in touch. Hope to hear from you soon.

Phil
Title: Re: Downey/O'Neill/Kearney
Post by: greeneyedgirl on Thursday 17 September 15 09:38 BST (UK)
Brian, could these be the people you seek?

Marriage:

Urban No. 9  Belfast
Roman Catholic

25 January 1894

John Kearney
full age
occ: labourer
res: Hannahstown
father: Andrew Kearney  occ: labourer
Annie Adams
full age
occ: -----
res: Hannahstown
father:Hugh Adams  occ: labourer
witnesses: James Downy & Mary Duffy

this can be found on https://geni.nidirect.gov.uk/  otherwise known as GRONI

Hope this helps, Kim
Title: Re: Downey/O'Neill/Kearney
Post by: Mightyquinn81 on Monday 28 September 15 23:31 BST (UK)
Hi Kim,

Do you have any info on the Downey family mentioned?

Phil
Title: Re: Downey/O'Neill/Kearney
Post by: greeneyedgirl on Tuesday 29 September 15 07:02 BST (UK)
Hi, exactly what are you looking for? Do you have any information on the Downey family? Kim
Title: Re: Downey/O'Neill/Kearney
Post by: Mightyquinn81 on Saturday 10 October 15 15:15 BST (UK)
Hi Kim thanks for the reply.

I'm new to researching, but am sure that this James Downey and Catherine O'Neill are my great great grand parents.

Bernard Downey born around 1884 is my great grandfather. He married Elizabeth Kearney who died apparently during childbirth with their son Hugh around 1928. Bernard remarried a lady called Sarah, unfortunately I don't have a surname for Sarah.

My grandfather, son of Bernard and Elizabeth, is also called Bernard Downey.

I'm interested in any information at all.

Thanks for your help

Phil
Title: Re: Downey/O'Neill/Kearney
Post by: greeneyedgirl on Monday 12 October 15 08:40 BST (UK)
Hi Phil, found some info for you. Working backwards......

Marriage:
27 Nov 1920  Belfast Roman Catholic
Bernard Downey   age: full age
add: Hannahstown
rel: Roman Catholic
occ: labourer
father: James Downey   occ: labourer
Elizabeth Kearney   age: full age
add: Glen Road
rel: Roman Catholic
father: John Kearney   occ: labourer
witnesses: Thomas Heoketh & Mary Kearney

1911 Ireland census: Hannahstown, Ballygomartin, co Antrim
James Downey  age:49  head of house  Roman Catholic  born: Antrim  occ: surfaceman  married
Catherine Downey  age:47  wife  Roman Catholic  born: Derry  married 28 yrs  10 children,7 living
Patrick Downey  age:25  son born: Antrim
Francis Downey  age:20  son  born: Antrim
Thomas James Downey  age:23  son  born: Antrim
Bernard Downey  age:17  son  born: Antrim
Sarah Ann Downey  age:15  daughter  born: Antrim

1901 Ireland census: Hannahstown,Ballygomartin, co Antrim
James Downey  age:40  head of house
Catherine Downey  age:41  wife
Sarah Ann Downey  age:4  daughter
James Downey  age:13  son
Bernard Downey  age:6  son
John Downey  age:7  son
George Downey  age:10  son
Patrick Downey  age:15  son
Robert Downey  age:18  son
Francis Downey  age:9 son

Marriage: (of Bernard's parents)
13 Sept 1882  Belfast Roman Catholic  St Mary's
James Downey  age: full age
add: Hannahstown
rel: Roman Catholic
occ: worker
father: Robert Downey   occ: schoolmaster (dec.)
Catherine O'Neill  age: full age
add: Belfast & Hannahstown
rel: Roman Catholic
occ: millworker
father: Thomas O'Neill   occ: labourer  (dec.)
witnesses: John Joseph Cowan & Catherine Curly

children to James Downey & Catherine O'Neill:
Robert   born:18 Feb 1883   bap:9 March 1883  Urban 4 civil, Belfast
Thomas James   born:25 Aug 1884   bap: 11 Aug 1884 (think dates mistranscribed)
Patrick Joseph   bap: 10 March 1886   Hannahstown
Thomas James  bap: 13 June 1887
Mary Ann   bap: 12 Oct 1888
George   bap: 22 Nov 1889
Francis   bap: 5 April 1891
Bernard  bap: 5 Aug 1894
Sarah Anne  bap: 26 Jan 1896

** I could not locate the birth or baptism for children John nor James

** could not locate the marriage of James Downey parents Robert Downey & Ellen Burns/Byrnes

children to Robert Downey & Ellen Burns/Byrnes:
James Patrick   bap: 2 Feb 1854   Dromore, co Down   Roman Catholic
Robert   bap: 29 March 1857
Hugh   bap: 8 July 1859
Thomas   bap: 23 Feb 1863
Hugh   bap: 25 July 1864

Marriage: (of Elizabeth Kearney's parents)
25 January 1894   Belfast
John Kearney  age: full age
add: Hannahstown
rel: Roman Catholic
occ: labourer
father: Andrew Kearney   occ: labourer
Anne Adams   age: full age
add: Hannahstown
rel: Roman Catholic
father: Hugh Adams   occ:  labourer

children to John Andrew Kearney & Anne Adams:
Hugh Adam Kearney   bap: 6 Jan 1895
Elizabeth Kearney   bap: 19 Aug 1900

Birth:
John Kearney
bap: 12 Nov 1871   Hannahstown
father: Andrew Kearney
mother: Mary Kane

Anne Maria Adams
bap: 2 Feb 1872  Hannahstown
father: Hugh Adams
mother: Catherine Hamill

Hope this helps, Kim
Title: Re: Downey/O'Neill/Kearney
Post by: Mightyquinn81 on Saturday 17 October 15 12:42 BST (UK)
Kim

Thank you very much. That is fantastic and has really helped me out a lot

I thanks again

Phil
Title: Re: Downey/O'Neill/Kearney
Post by: annie49 on Saturday 09 January 16 06:27 GMT (UK)
Hello Phil & Kim

Robert DOWNEY & Rose Ellen BURNS are my maternal great-great grandparents. Their son Robert Jnr is my great grandfather. He married Susan LONG at Dromore RC Church, she died in childbirth, and his 2nd wife was a protestant girl Gertrude Annie FAULKNER from Desertlyn, Londonderry where they married circa 1885 and we assume this is when he gave up his catholic faith. My mother is related down through Robert & Getrude.

I have Robert Snr and Rose Ellen married on 1st January 1854 at Dromore RC Church. 

I have a possible baptism for Robert Snr on 20th Jan 1828 at Dromore RC Church to a James DOWNEY and Margaret CROTHERS. This has not been confirmed, but I am awaiting a reply from the Dromore RC Church clerk, who has offered to look up the church records for me.

I will keep in touch and pass on any information I receive from Dromore.

Regards from Wollongong, Australia
Title: Re: Downey/O'Neill/Kearney
Post by: gaffy on Saturday 09 January 16 10:08 GMT (UK)

... I have a possible baptism for Robert Snr on 20th Jan 1828 at Dromore RC Church to a James DOWNEY and Margaret CROTHERS. This has not been confirmed, but I am awaiting a reply from the Dromore RC Church clerk, who has offered to look up the church records for me.


The original register entry for this baptism is online, right page, second entry down:

http://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633268#page/21/mode/1up

Title: Re: Downey/O'Neill/Kearney
Post by: gaffy on Saturday 09 January 16 10:58 GMT (UK)
You may have seen this, but just posting for the convenience of others reading this topic, the marriage of Robert Downey to Rose Burns in 1854, witnesses John Lavery and Jane Magee:

http://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633269#page/74/mode/1up
Title: Re: Downey/O'Neill/Kearney
Post by: gaffy on Saturday 09 January 16 11:30 GMT (UK)

... Robert DOWNEY & Rose Ellen BURNS are my maternal great-great grandparents. Their son Robert Jnr is my great grandfather. He married Susan LONG at Dromore RC Church, she died in childbirth, and his 2nd wife was a protestant girl Gertrude Annie FAULKNER from Desertlyn, Londonderry where they married circa 1885 and we assume this is when he gave up his catholic faith ..


May be having a senior moment, but the only marriage I can see of a Robert Downey to Susan Long in the relevant timeframe took place in 1877 in County Leitrim, some considerable distance from the geographic context to this point of Dromore County Down.  There is a Leitrim townland in County Down, but the Robert Downey / Susan Long marriage definitely took place many miles away in County Leitrim.

I'm also struggling to find a civil marriage record on GRONI online for Robert Downey and Gertrude Annie Faulkner, do you have any further information?

Title: Re: Downey/O'Neill/Kearney
Post by: aghadowey on Saturday 09 January 16 11:51 GMT (UK)
There seem to be a few things that don't add up here  :-\

Robert Downey and family in 1911 census-
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Down/Pottinger__part_of_/Hornby_Street/221527
Wife Gertrude Ann born Belfast (not Co.Derry), married 36 years (c1875) with 12 children but only 7 living children.

I haven't found the marriage yet either but did find daughter Ellen's birth registration-
Ellen   Downey, 24 Jan.1889 Belfast (mother- Faulkner)
Title: Re: Downey/O'Neill/Kearney
Post by: aghadowey on Saturday 09 January 16 12:13 GMT (UK)
Found the family in 1901- should be Lecumpher St.:
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Down/Pottinger/Lecumpper_Street/1261804
'Annie' (aka Gertrude) born co,Derry this time

Also found more Belfast birth registrations but there's at least one other Downey/Faulkner couple having children at the same time.
Title: Re: Downey/O'Neill/Kearney
Post by: aghadowey on Saturday 09 January 16 12:19 GMT (UK)
Found an online tree (with errors) which says Gertrude Ann Faulkner born 5 Feb.1857 Londonderry, Co.Londonderry and died 4 Feb.1919 Belfast, Co.Antrim.
Note: tree shows a son John Downey (died WWI) but his (attached) army record gives mother Jane as next of kin  ::)

Still doesn't explain the 'missing' marriage
Title: Re: Downey/O'Neill/Kearney
Post by: aghadowey on Saturday 09 January 16 12:33 GMT (UK)
It is really REALLY annoying to spend time searching lots of places and type up details to post only to then find that the information has already been asked for (and searched/found) long ago  :o  >:(  ::)

Trying to fond information on my gg-grandfather Robert Downey, born abt 1853 Co Down. The 1911 census has him listed as 48yrs old but that must be incorrect, listed as 36yrs married (would make him 12, 10 yrs wrong). Many scratch out/corrections on form. Wife listed as Gertrude Ann (Faulkner) 2nd wife, age 41 born abt 1870. Any information would be great!!
reply #1 gives 1901 census & Gertrude's baptism
reply #3 says marriage not found
reply #4 details from death certificates
...
http://www.belfastforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=37327.0

Won't bother posting any of the new information I found  :-X
Title: Re: Downey/O'Neill/Kearney
Post by: aghadowey on Saturday 09 January 16 12:58 GMT (UK)
Actually, I do need to post 1 more thing from an older thread-
My maternal GG Grandfather is John Rowley Faulkner Snr, married to Jane Ross 13th Jan 1888. He was a Sgt in the 2nd Battalion RIF at St Camp Aldershot at the time of his marriage. Their dtr Gertrude Annie was my Great Grandmother.  Are you related to this family ???

Anne
Australia

Baptism posted on other forum gives her father as James not John.
Title: Re: Downey/O'Neill/Kearney
Post by: Mightyquinn81 on Saturday 13 February 16 15:38 GMT (UK)
Hi Anne

Did the priest in Dromore get back to you?

Best wishes

Ohil
Title: Re: Downey/O'Neill/Kearney
Post by: annie49 on Wednesday 09 March 16 06:42 GMT (UK)
Hi all , sorry for the delay in getting back to you.

Yes the kindly church office girl came back to me with the confirmation that a Robert DOWNEY was baptised on 20th Jan 1828 at Dromore RC Church to a James DOWNEY and Margaret CROTHERS.
The question is of course is this MY Robert Downey.

I have looked through the Catholic records on-line for Dromore back to 1823, but no marriage for James and Margaret. It was noted on Robert's baptism that his mother Margaret came from Magherabeg so I thought she may have married James back in her home town, but apparently the marriage would probably have taken place in Dromore as it was the parish church for that area.

Unfortunately the marriage records for Dromore Church only go back to 1823, so while Robert was born 1828 and a brother in 1832, they could be the last of a dozen children going back before 1823, meaning James and Margaret could have been married well before 1823.

Will keep looking and advise you of any more news.

 



Title: Re: Downey/O'Neill/Kearney
Post by: annie49 on Wednesday 09 March 16 06:46 GMT (UK)
Actually, I do need to post 1 more thing from an older thread-
My maternal GG Grandfather is John Rowley Faulkner Snr, married to Jane Ross 13th Jan 1888. He was a Sgt in the 2nd Battalion RIF at St Camp Aldershot at the time of his marriage. Their dtr Gertrude Annie was my Great Grandmother.  Are you related to this family ???

Anne
Australia

Baptism posted on other forum gives her father as James not John.

My apologies for my incorrect post - Gertrude Annie Faulkner's father was JAMES not John. John Rowley is Gertrude's brother.
Title: Re: Downey/O'Neill/Kearney
Post by: annie49 on Wednesday 09 March 16 07:06 GMT (UK)

Robert Downey and family in 1911 census-
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Down/Pottinger__part_of_/Hornby_Street/221527
Wife Gertrude Ann born Belfast (not Co.Derry), married 36 years (c1875) with 12 children but only 7 living children.

I haven't found the marriage yet either but did find daughter Ellen's birth registration-
Ellen   Downey, 24 Jan.1889 Belfast (mother- Faulkner)
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Hello All.  Re Gertrude Annie FAULKNER. (my great grandmother)

I have a copy of the 1911 Census with my uncle's handwriting crossing out the 36 years married and changed to 26 years. (Gertrude was his grandmother) He also has penciled a note at the bottom, that they "eloped to marry". Considering her husband Robert was from a Catholic family and she a Protestant, this makes this eloped option quite possible. Where they went to get married of course is the question, she was born in Desertlyn in County Derry, but they probably went further afield - maybe the Registry Office in Belfast ??  I have no record or notation from my late uncle's vast genealogical notes in regards to this marriage.
Title: Re: Downey/O'Neill/Kearney
Post by: Mightyquinn81 on Monday 20 November 17 01:06 GMT (UK)
H Annie it's been a while, how are you? Have you found anything for James and Margaret or if this robert was yours?

Best wishes

Phil