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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Stirlingshire => Topic started by: kathy-9 on Thursday 29 July 10 21:09 BST (UK)
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Hay yall, I am new to this page and am excited to read all the things going on in the areas I am researching for my family tree.
I am researching RYAN who would have been miners in Fallin 1920 onwards. Has anyone any information, pictures, or anything that would be of help to me? Thanks, Kathy
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Hello Kathy,
Welcome to Rootschat!! :)
Have a wee look here: http://www.scottishmining.co.uk/352.html
The above link will take you to the Mining Accidents page, but I'm sure if you have a good rake around the site there'll be lots more info to be found.
Anne
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Thanks Anne, will browse that. Great to see so much info here. Regards, Kathy
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Kathy,
Stirling Council has a book that covers mining in the village of Fallin.
http://www.stirling.gov.uk/index/services/libraries/lib_pub.htm
Wilton Endeavour
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Thx Wilton, I got that book courtesty of the Library at Stirling, very helpful people, and it is a wealth of information about the colliery and its people from about 1905 till the present day. Would be good reading for anyone interested in the mining communities in Scotland. Kathy
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Hi Kathy
My G- Granddad is mention in that book he was one of the miners who sunk the mine Ned Somerville I could ask Ned's son if he knows of your Ryans he still lives in Fallin
Sue
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Yes pls, Sue. It is a lovely little book and I read it cover to cover. My great Aunt is mentioned in the Book, Eleanor Fowler, she later became a JP in Fallin ( I think).
The family I am tracing is John Ryan, died c.1923, Mary Ryan, my g grandmother, they lived at 36C Block. I know there was a crowd of them but havent succeeded in tracing any yet.
I will go and look at your g granddads reference in the book.
Regards, Kathy
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Sue, Elanor Fowler bcame Eleanor Boyd, that is the name that is in the book by Hugh Kerr.
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(http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee209/38fergie/Roots%20Chat/EleanorRyan.jpg)
Eleanor Ryan
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My dearest Fergie, you have taken my breath away. Where did you get this photo? do you have any others, of Anastasia Ryan, ( my grandmother) or Mary Ryan, my great grandmother?
You have made my week. Thank you SSSOOOOO much!!!
Kathey
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(http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee209/38fergie/Roots%20Chat/AnastasiaRyan.jpg)
Anastasia Ryan
I sort of glanced off this family during my own tree research.
Eleanor had a son, John Ryan who became a Fowler.
John, who was born in 1922 and died in 1976, was my uncle through marriage.
I should/might have some minor info somewhere in this computer of mine. I know that I gave hard copies of all the info I had to one of the Fowler family.
I am almost certain that I have a computer copy of a photo showing James Ryan and Mary Boner with all of their family. I will try to find it.
Cheers
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Wow Fergie, sure Kathy will be over the moon with the photos you have! I've been following this thread too as Kathy has put a post on the Lanarkshire board www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,471838.0.html regarding John Ryan and Mary Bonar.
You mention a James (rather than John) Ryan and wife Mary Bonar. Just wondering if my searches have gone askew! Is it John or James, Kathy?
Monica
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Hi Kathy
here is a photo I have of the Fallin pensioners outing not sure when it was taken through Ned is the 4th on back row
Sue
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Oh my Lordy you guys,
I am practically in tears looking at these photos. My grandmother, Anastasia, died leaving me no information about the family at all and I have been searching long and hard even to trace up Fallin and the colliery. Fergie, ANYTHING more you can dig up would be so welcome, ESPECIALLY that photo of Mary Bonar and her husband John.
Two days I have been on this page and the information I have got has been fantastic, also to do with the Eglington side of my family - I have gain a new cousin!!
Its gonna be some Sunday today!!
Kathy
Your so right Monica, what a treat!!!
John Ryan married Mary Bonar 1898 in Cambuslang. James Bonar was the father, still got some tracing to go but they lived in Rutherglen for a while. That is James Bonar and Catherine Ferns, or Fearons. Mariied #Johnstone.
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Monica, are you researching, John Ryan and Mary Bonar too? Lets compare notes! Kathy
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Fergie, maybe you could put me in touch with the Fowler family, maybe they would be so nice as to give me access to your docs. Kathy
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Hi Kathy
No, I don't have a connection to the family - just helping out with searches :)
I have added some posts to your Lanarkshire board post www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,471838.0.html
I think you will find that it was James, son of John, who married Mary Bonar in 1898. That is how it showing on the marriage index on SP and also on the 1901 census. I've also found some earlier census info for the family of John and Eleanor (Helen/Ellen etc), parents of your James. I've posted what details I have found on the other post (trying to keep your responses together for your specific queries).
How exciting all these new finds for you!
Monica
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You are not joking Monica,I have been searching from scratch for several years now as there was absolutely no info from my family, they have all passed. Finding this site has been just wonderful.
Thanks for helping out, all help gratefully received!! :)
Yes you are right, James Ryan married to Mary, his father John. Sorry about that:)
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A wee note that I have just came across
"At the time of his marriage, James lived in Kirkintilloch"
It was only one of the Fowler family who was interested but only in his fathers origin. He had no interest in the extended Ryan family. He doesn't have a computer and said he wouldn't know what to do with one.
Meanwhile...I have found a wee bit of a chart, just a wee bit, and will post it just as soon as I remember how it's done
Cheers.
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Thx Fergie, looking forward to hearing from you. Kathy
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(http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee209/38fergie/Roots%20Chat/RyanChart.jpg)
I seem to recall being told that John and Eleanor Dooleys met in America and that her parents objected to John for some reason or another and so they both came to Scotland where they were married.
John was either a bucher or shoemaker, I don't remember which.
Cheers.
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Fergie, that is a great chart. I love photos being added as it brings the research completely to life :)
From the info I posted on the Lanarkshire board:
James' likely birth entry:
JAMES RINE Birth: 24 MAR 1868 Middle Or New Parish, Greenock, Renfrew
Parents: JOHN RINE and ELEANOR DOWLY
This looks to be the family in 1871, with the family mis-transcribed as Byan (been searching for this entry, only just found it!):
John Byan 34, Copper Miner b. Ireland
Helen Byan 30 b. Ireland
Michael Byan 10 b. Ireland
John Byan 17 (likely seven going by the 1881 entry) b. England
Patrick Byan 5 b. England
Jane Byan 3 (this would be James, down as son) b. Greenock
Anastatin Byan 6 Months b. Greenock
Address: Margaret Place, Gourock Inverkip
Monica
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Wow Fergie, first sighting of my g grandmother and g grandfather. Thanks so much!! Regards, Kathy
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By the way, Fergie, Thomas Fowler and my grandfather Robert MacMaster, share the same lair at Bannockburn. Coincidence, huh.
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Found it
This should make your day Kathy.
(http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee209/38fergie/RyanFamilyGroup.jpg)
I've added the names to the photo but if you want a copy without the names and maybe a bit better for printing then PM me your email address and I will send one as an attachment.
Or if you wish, I can post another 'nameless' one here.
(Sorry..the baby's name is Sarah. I forgot to change the text colour from white to black) :-[
Cheers.
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Gergie, you have really surpassed yourself this time!!! And some relatives I didnt know existed!! Wonderful. Wonder are any of the family still around in Fallin or Stirlingshire??
Thx so much, Kathy :) :) :)
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Wonderful. Wonder are any of the family still around in Fallin or Stirlingshire??
Yes.
Now you might find this hard to believe but..
The boy James, in the photo had two sons. The widow of one of the sons, a friend of my wife's, was standing right beside me at the computer just as your posting came up on the screen wondering if there were still any Ryan's in the area.
She said that I could pass on her email address to you and that you can get in touch if you wish.
She is the one who passed on to me all that I know of the Ryan family and she in turn had got most of the info from a cousin of yours by the name of Anastasia. She will either act as an in-between or put you in touch with Anastasia.
There was a child born after that photo was taken. Anastasia is the daughter of that child.
Looks like your family is rapidly expanding. :D
Cheers.
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This is just becoming better n better Fergie. Looks like I owe you afternoon tea at the Ritz after all this!!!
This journey is one of the most wonderful I have ever been on, seems every day brings an answer to all these questions nobody could answer.
Ticker is right when he says its all worth it to put a smile of someone's face, you sure succeeded today in doing that!!
Yes, share my email with your friend, am waiting to hear from her!! :) :) :)
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Looks like I've run out of info to pass on to you for but hope that the two Ryan contacts I've sent your way will be able to advance your family research.
Cheers.
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Hi Kathy,
I also have relatives that lived in Fallin and worked at the Colliery, though I'm not sure there is any family connection - mine were Bunyans. I have also got the book on mining in Fallin from Stirling Library, it's v interesting.
Have you had a look at the Stirling Observer Christmas Annual in Stirling Library? There are some Ryan's from Fallin mentioned in the index with entries between 1949 and 1969. I found some great pictures in there from my family.
Best wishes,
Lauren
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Hey Lauren great information there. That book on Fallin is great isnt it. Will check out the Christmas Annual.
Got any photos or info on the blocks? We could share. Best regards KAthy
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(http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee209/38fergie/Roots%20Chat/Fallin900.jpg)
Fallin as it once was.
Helped the milkman here when I was a boy although the photo is before my time. We sold the milk from a big churn fitted with a brass tap and it sat on the rear of the milk van. The women would come to the van with their cleaned milk bottles or an assortment of jugs and have them filled.
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Wow. Fergie is always full of surprises. <<wants to see Fergie's photo album lol.
Did you ever get to see what these Blocks were like inside, say maybe about 1930 on did they have running water and toilets inside? I know they had outside toilets, like at the time this photo was taken.
And, say the miner died, were these tied houses, would the remaining family have to move elsewhere, or just shufty in with another part of their family, say the son who was a miner. Interesting social history aspect, wondered about that for mining villages across Scotland.
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See what ya started Lauren lol.
And how did the people get their meat and veg., did they go to Stirling or were they served by 'mobile' tradesmen who would come round??
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And how did the people get their meat and veg., did they go to Stirling or were they served by 'mobile' tradesmen who would come round??
There were shops.
This photo is from the eastern end of fallin looking towards Stirling. The Gothenburg pub is seen on the distant right. Right foreground shows what were shops. I think one was a Co-oP.
The miners 'Rows' (Raws) were on the left of the road.
(http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee209/38fergie/Roots%20Chat/Fallin1.jpg)
Cheers.
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What a change. When were the Blocks demolished, do you know?
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Probably 1950s
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I know a John Ryan from Fallin who worked in the pit at Fallin, he came and worked with me at Scotrail , he is still with the railway and lives in Stenhousemuir.
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my mother was ned somervilles eldest daughter margaret (peggy). alas the last somerville in fallin my uncle jim died he was the last of neds sons living in fallin.
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hi. sue the picture you posted of ned somerville was great ned was my grandfather the woman
sitting directly in front of him is his wife my grandmother janet nee sinclair
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Hi Jonbro
Its a great picture Im Peggys granddaughter Ive been in touch with Neds younger son have got lots of info on them if you interested
( is that you uncle J H )
Sue :D
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yeah sue it's uncle j.h. i have ned and his brother joe army records and other info
sue you oor m.c. lass ? i have been speaking with your aunt tr. she told me neds youngest son
my uncle b. is really quite poorly anything i can help you with i will keep in touch
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hi. kathy-9
don't know if this will be of help or not used to go to fallin lots the ryan's we knew were
anne and helen. there mother was rosina not sure about the spelling as far as iknow both the girls are still in fallin
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Hi Jonbro, interesting info, again this tangle is still a part mystery ... will have to check on Anne and Helen ... do you know who their parents were by any chance? Thx Kathy :)
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hi. Sue
someone was enquiring about the blocks in Fallin Ned lived at 19b Block Fallin
About the two Ryan girls Anne & Helen never knew their dad as far I know Rosina (their mum was a widow) I'm phoning my sister tonight she was friends with the girls and will have more info than me.
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Hi uncle j
love the stories of Ned would like to know more of Janet. were they both living with aunty bell at one time??
Sue
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The Blocks
Hi Sue n Jonbro,
Just wopndering if you guys have any photos of The Blocks you could share, and any stories too, my people the Ryans lived there from 1920 onwards and would love to see anything you got. Thx Kathy :)
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Hi Kathy
Im sorry the only picture I have is the one Ive already posted Ive lived in England all my life only ever visited Fallin once back in the 60s Jonbro did say he was going to talk with other family members perhaps he may be able to get a few more photos As for the stories lets put it this way Ned was a bit of a character and they involve pubs and money There is one story in the book about Neds return from WW1 involving the Goth ::)
Sue
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Hi. Sue
Don't remember much about my gran but Ned certainly lived with Belle for a lot of years.
I spoke with your aunt tr. she's gonna have a search and see what she can find I'm hoping to go visit soon so I'll remind her & your uncle d. when I see them.
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Hi Jon n Sue,
Do you think Ned would be happy with a contact from myself? I would love to hear his stories. Kathy :)
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Hi Kathy
Sorry Ned died 1972 he was my G- granddad & Jonbro Granddad my Dad was Jonbros brother these stories are from family I only met Ned once back in the 60s
when I was about 8 or 9 & of course he was just another relative to me then but I can tell you if he was still here I would be pestering him with recorder in hand :D
Sue
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Hi Sue I bet you would!! There is so much history gone with these guys, what you wouldnt give for half an hour with them. Kathy
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The colliery at Fallin was Polmaise very militant throughout the miners strike if you google Polmaise there is quite a bit of info out there. It also gives you a sense of the conditions they were made to work in pre nationalisation. You will find lists of those miners killed in accidents it also gives their ages really sad when you read the lists.
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Thx Jon, didnt know this was also called Polmaise. I got a little book from Stirling Library called Fallin, tales from a mining village, by Hugh Kerr, some interesting stuff in there. My great aunt, Eleanor Fowler, was supposed to be active in the miners movement, so will check out all I can on the Web.
You got any photos of the ppl or Colliery, particularly of the Blocks? Love to share. Kathy :)
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Millhall was Polmaise 1 & 2 while Fallin was Polmaise 3 & 4.
I worked at Millhall just after I left school as a 15 year old in 1953. I think I was 16 before I was allowed to work underground.
My father was a Fireman/Shotfirer there. Part of his duties was to walk, every Sunday morning, along the three mile escape route between Millhall and Fallin checking that everything was sound, undertaking any necessery repair work and reporting any required larger maintanence jobs.
He was allowed to stand on the open platform of the double-decker bus from fallin back to Millhall.
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Hi Every one
Any one recognise any of these faces.
Front right is my Aunt Elanor Boyd (Fowler) Ms Ryan, next to her is my Aunt Sara Davidson Ms Ryan. I have no Idea who the other people are.
Hope its of interest to someone.
Stasia
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Found some photos that may be of interest.
First one is "Fallin Old Folks Treat". Kneeling on far left of the picture is Thomas Bunyan; I don't know who anyone else in the photo is. This photo is from about the 1950s-60s. The photo was taken for the Stirling Observer.
Second photo is Polmaise Bowling Club, from the 1960s I believe.
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Wow thx Lauren this thread just gets better n better. Do you know if 'Stalin' Ryan is in these pics, or any other Ryans?
Have a great weekend, Kathy :)
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Who on earth is Stalin Ryan? Can some one fill me in please.
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'Stalin' Ryan was a miner who worked in Fallin pit about 1930, his photograph appears in Hugh G. Kerr's book about Fallin, as do other Ryans. Eleanor Boyd is also mentioned in this book. Kathy.
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Bunyan being not common name in Scotland only 150 in total in 1881 census
In the 1970's- early 1990's' there was one in Falkirk
He wisnae liked as he wiz the head person who the did driving tests
When ye were telt youve got Bunyan
Quess whit
ye've failed
he only one passed each day(ALLEGELY)
;D ;D
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Thx Fergie, looking forward to hearing from you. Kathy
Hi kathy not sure if i can help you much or maybe you can help me,my name is dale ryan,i stay in cowie its the next village to fallin,my grandad george is a ryan from fallin i have tried to search before to see about my family but have not got very far.
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Hallo Dale, do you have info on who George your grandad's father was? I would imagine that we cana tell if you are part of this clan from there. Hope to hear from you soon, Kathy :)
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i have not got a great deal of information on him he passed away when my dad was a young man,obviously his name was george ryan,i think he had 2 sisters and a brother sure his brothers name was jim and i think his sister was called irene???my great grandad george father was called angus ryan and as far i know our family came from lanarkshire!!!its all very sketchy but no one seems to know anything!!!
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ps that photo on the other page of mary boner is the absolute double of my younger sister,when i showed it to my dad he thought it was my sister!!!
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The family certainly came out of Lanarkshire which was a stopover from Ireland. I cant trace an Angus, but there is certainly a John and a James. Interesting that your sister looks like Mary Bonar. See if you can come up with some other names to link in with the family.
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The family certainly came out of Lanarkshire which was a stopover from Ireland. I cant trace an Angus, but there is certainly a John and a James. Interesting that your sister looks like Maqry Bonar. See if you can come up with some other names to link in with the family.
i have had an ask around and this is the most info i can get,
angus mckinley ryan(great grandad)died 1958 married to jessie manson,had five kids..........
george manson ryan(grandad) born 1936 died 1958 married to margaret cattigan(gran) from cowie
jim "tarzan"ryan married to jessie ?
rina ryan married to freddie sanderlands(edinburgh) re-married ? laird
isa ryan married to joke laird(brother of the above laird)
jinet ryan married to ? dick(camelon) later re-married dennis ?(hull,england)
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Hi Dale
I'm related to Kathy - I think our Ryan family is not the one your from. I was told that there were 2 Ryan Families in Fallin and that they were not related. My Mother Margaret Ryan was born there 1923 the youngest child of Mary Bonar and James Ryan. Hope this helps your search
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Hi Dale
I'm related to Kathy - I think our Ryan family is not the one your from. I was told that there were 2 Ryan Families in Fallin and that they were not related. My Mother Margaret Ryan was born there 1923 the youngest child of Mary Bonar and James Ryan. Hope this helps your search
Yeh i knew there were 2 ryan familys in fallin however i was told they were related but reading some of the things on here makes me wonder,i cant find any trace of them,my dad got told that when the first ryan on his family moved to fallin he had infact changed his name to ryan because he had been up to no good in lanarkshire!!!!it would be nice if someone out there had any info,i was looking at the photos posted and mary boner is the double of my sister!!!but thats the only link i can make!!!
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New member here from New Zealand. My grandfather Leslie Stewart was the survivor of the 1934 accident which claimed the lives of 3 other miners. I also had an uncle Ronnie Gillespie who worked in the mines around the 60's, who was married to my dad's sister Margaret. I think another uncle Fergus Stewart may also have worked the mine. Any information would be appreciated. At the time of the accident my grandparents were living at Fallin Rows. I have tried to find a picture to no avail. Can anyone help? Many thanks Les Stewart
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One for kathy-9
(and anyone else who's interested I suppose :))
(http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee209/38fergie/Roots%20Chat/JohnBetsynamed.jpg)
John Fowler was the son of Eleanor and married to my dads sister, Betsy.
John died in 1976 and Betsy in 1999, both in Bannockburn
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Hello All;
My maternal grandmother's maiden name was Janet McKinley Ryan and she lived in Fallin before imigrating to Canada in 1954. My Nanny (this is what we called her) had three brothers (James, Donald and Frank) and one sister ('Nan'). My Nanny passed in 1994 and very sadly, my mother (Annie Ryan) died in January of this year at the young age of 61. I know for a fact that the 'Stalin' Ryan you speak of in your posts is my great uncle James. I am so desperate to get to know some of my Nanny's relatives. My Nanny's siblings did not have any children and sadly they all died young. They were all miners. It was so great to come across this website...it feels like the start of some connections. I so miss my mother and my Nanny. I also read that my great Uncle James "Stalin" Ryan is mentioned in a local book called "Fallin: Tales of a Mining Village" by Hugh Kerr...does anyone have any idea how I could get this book sent here to Canada?
Looking so forward to hearing from another Ryan
Heather
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Hi There
I posted a message on this thread a couple of days ago. James 'Stalin' Ryan is my Great Uncle. His brothers Frank Ryan ( eighth from the left in the front row, with the balding hairline) and Donald Ryan ( fifth from the left in the third row with the light colored jacket) are in this photo. Their sister, Janet Ryan is my maternal grandmother who immigrated to Canada in 1954. I am dying to learn more about my Ryan ancestry! I wrote a post about a week ago as CdnRyan. Hope someone reads it... It is the last post thus far in this thread. Thank you. Heather from Canada.Wow thx Lauren this thread just gets better n better. Do you know if 'Stalin' Ryan is in these pics, or any other Ryans?
Have a great weekend, Kathy :)
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Hi Heather.
This thread seems to have gone cold.
I'm surprised you haven't had some responce.
Cheers.
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Hi Heather
Welcome to RootsChat :)
Kathy who started this post has not been online here on RootsChat since the end of October. Sometimes people miss their notifications when someone makes a new post. Hopefully she will be back online soon to repond to your posts :)
Monica
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Thank you for your responses. I am hopeful that I will hear something. Take good care.
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Sorry guys been offline for a while due to health issues. Ready to answer what i can on ryans of fallin :)
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By the way by totsl chance i may have a connection to stalin ryan one of my neighbours here in glasgow. Let me know if uwant me to pursue it, he is elderly and am not quite sure of his present health
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Hi Kathy;
Hope that you are feeling better! Thank you for responding to my previous threads. Yes, I would be very interested in learning anything at all from your neighbour who may have known my Great Uncle James 'Stalin' Ryan. Thank you so much for offering to do this. I suspect it is part of the grief that I am experiencing at the loss of my mother, but is so sad to me that I have no known relatives from my maternal grandmother's side and I loved her so dearly! Looking very forward to chatting with you. Are you originally from Fallin as well? Take good care! Heather from Canada.
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Picked up Heathers post about the Ryans and have answered her. Sorry to be so late been offline for a ehile. This still is a great thread, isnt it?
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Using this site for first time so hope I am doing it right!
I am a 27 year old from Fallin and trying to research and go as far back as possible to find out more about the place and it's people in hope of collating it into some sort of book b4 more info is lost through time.
I see someone mentions Ann and Helen Ryan. Helen Ryan was married to my Great Uncle John Brown Smith who sadly passed away this month. If anyone is trying to get in touch with these Ryans please feel free to inbox me.
My great grandmother was originally from South Alloa and went by the name of Sarah Douglas, then Smith once married.
If anyone has any information, stories or pictures to share or would like my help in trying to locate relatives in the village I would be more than happy to help! x
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Found some photos that may be of interest.
First one is "Fallin Old Folks Treat". Kneeling on far left of the picture is Thomas Bunyan; I don't know who anyone else in the photo is. This photo is from about the 1950s-60s. The photo was taken for the Stirling Observer.
Second photo is Polmaise Bowling Club, from the 1960s I believe.
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I was just messing around checking pictures of Polmaise colliery when i came across the picture "Old folks Treat" taken in 50s-60s for Stirling Observer and i am pretty sure the person kneeling front left is my Grandfather Charlie Easson. Derek Richardson
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As per leslesley's post I too am related to Leslie Stewart from Fallin as well as Ronnie and Margaret Gillespie. Does anyone know of them or who i can possibly contact? Many thanks
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Enjoyed reading these posts and looking at the photographs and wondering if any of my relatives are among them. John Rielly and his wife Mary Smith were living in Fallin when he died in 1929. Mary, known as granny Rielly died in 15 Woodside Place, Fallin in 1962, aged 89. They had 8 children some of whom lived and worked in Fallin. Mary had a daughter Ann who married Michael McDonald. They lived in Block 1 A in 1930 and had 2 sons Michael and Patrick. She also had a son, my grandfather William Smith who lived with his family at 112, Wee Block (5th Block) until he was killed driving his motorbike
in October 1931. It would be good to hear from anyone related or has any information on the family
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Enjoyed reading these posts and looking at the photographs and wondering if any of my relatives are among them. John Rielly and his wife Mary Smith were living in Fallin when he died in 1929. Mary, known as granny Rielly died in 15 Woodside Place, Fallin in 1962, aged 89. They had 8 children some of whom lived and worked in Fallin. Mary had a daughter Ann who married Michael McDonald. They lived in Block 1 A in 1930 and had 2 sons Michael and Patrick. She also had a son, my grandfather William Smith who lived with his family at 112, Wee Block (5th Block) until he was killed driving his motorbike
in October 1931. It would be good to hear from anyone related or has any information on the family
Maggie, I have John Rielly and Mary Smith in my family tree, and I have traced Mary's family back for several generations.
John Rielly is a bit of a mystery. I believe from his marriage and death certificate that his parents were John Rielly and Helen Shearer, and from the census that he was born in Glasgow in 1869/71, but I have never been able to find his birth certificate.
His death certificate says he was first married to Jessie Docherty. I can't find this marriage, but a John Rielly, 21, coal miner is with wife Mary, 18 and 6-month-old daughter Jessie in 1891. This fits with a marriage of John Rielly to Mary Docherty in 1890 and death of Mary Docherty or Rielly in 1897.
However that marriage certificate says his parents were John Rielly and Helen McGowan. I have not found a birth of a John to John Rielly and Helen McGowan either.
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I have a lot of information on the family but like you have not as yet identified a definite birth record but I can confirm that John Rielly was married to Mary Docherty, not Jessie 31 December 1889 in Larkhall, Lanarkshire. Jessie was their daughter and also Mary's mother was named Jessie
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Is anyone still researching the Ryan family ?
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Hi, I am still researching the Ryan family worked in Fallin colliery in its early days. What would you like to know? In case I get diverted here is my email, kpthomason@hotmail.com.
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Personal e-mail addresses aren't allowed on the RootsChat forum.
This is to protect all concerned from spam, identity abuse, internet abuse, etc
This type of information should be exchanged via personal message.
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Sorry, please accept my apologies, no harm meant.
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I have a cousin who is the grandson of Eleanor Ryan and he is interested in his family tree.
He is hopeless with computers so I am trying to help him.
I have told him about you (Kathy) but as yet I have been unable to fit you into the tree.
Can you give me a clue.