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Research in Other Countries => Europe => Topic started by: amalfimo on Tuesday 13 October 09 16:55 BST (UK)
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I have found relatives born in the 19th century - they are
Victor Ernest Papadopulo (1869) and John Demetrius Lionel Eugene Papadopulo (born 1973).
Both were fathered by John Papadopulo and Elizabeth Brown - but I have my doubts as to whether they were married.
In 1891 Census I found both boys (name mistakenly transcribed as Papadiels) living with their grandmother, Ann Brown in the Hammersmith area.
From then, no clues - no marriage, no death. I can speculate, but have no certainty.
Might anyone have any suggestion"
Maureen
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Hi
It looks like Victor PAPPADOPULOS sailed from Southampton to New York on 21st November 1903 age 34 Single Male Farmer Ships name Philadelphia
Rosie
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Hello and welcome to Rootschat! I think www.freebmd will assist you greatly IF you merely enter the first 5 letters of the surname and ask it to show "all types of certs" from Sept 1837 to abt. 1940...let it get All districts and counties for you....AND, finally, be sure to click on the part where it says "phonetic" for surnames....I think you will be pleasantly surprised!! ;D If you have any problems, just ask......all of us were beginners at one time or another. Pat
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And perhaps John visited him
John PAPADOPOULOS
Sailed 3 September 1937 from Liverpool to New York
Johns age given as 64 occupation engineer
Ships name FRANCONIA
Rosie
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It looks like Victor PAPPADOPULOS sailed from Southampton to New York on 21st November 1903 age 34 Single Male Farmer Ships name Philadelphia
But on the original document his name is crossed through with the initials N.O.B. beside them - possibly meaning Not on Board ??? ???
Jennifer
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well, thank you - I'm delighted to get a reply, how very kind of you.
So - did he get there or did he not?? I have to keep searching, but have no idea where.
Thank you so much. Have used this Forum only twice and each time had some helpful news - so I'm very impressed.
Thank you again - so very much.
Maureen Ross
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Hello again, Maureen, Have you tried the freebmd site with the limitations, as I suggested? I think there are many of the family you seek in there with variant spellings......Please let me know if you try it...... ;D Pat
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In 1891 Census I found both boys (name mistakenly transcribed as Papadiels) living with their grandmother, Ann Brown in the Hammersmith area.
They are actually with Ann in the 1881 census, not the 1891. RG 11/ 59 / Folio 45 / Page 10
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And perhaps John visited him
John PAPADOPOULOS
Sailed 3 September 1937 from Liverpool to New York
Johns age given as 64 occupation engineer
Ships name FRANCONIA
Rosie
How clever - both of them!!
I'm delighted. Thank you so much in your kindness in replying to me. Such a help!
Maureen Ross
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They are definitely not with their grandmother Ann in 1891, she is a boarder with a family in Lambeth,
RG 12 / 401 / Folio 5 / Page 3
Jennifer
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They are definitely not with their grandmother Ann in 1891, she is a boarder with a family in Lambeth,
RG 12 / 401 / Folio 5 / Page 3
Jennifer
Hi Jen,
How extraordinary! She was 66 in the 1881 census - so who knows what state she was in ten years later.
Of course, they could have simply been on a visit for the first census where they are down as grandsons.
Now - the really big question for me is - who was their father? He certainly is one of 'mine' - but I found that he was born in Constantinople (about 1836) and there is no trace of a marriage with Elizabeth Brown (mother of othe boys and a girl who died within a month or two of birth).
He might have been brother to my great grandfather, Demetrius George Papadopulo - or - he may have been the uncle of Demetrius.
Maureen Ross
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Hello again, Maureen, Have you tried the freebmd site with the limitations, as I suggested? I think there are many of the family you seek in there with variant spellings......Please let me know if you try it...... ;D Pat
Hi,
I'm amazed - since putting on my message less than an hour ago, I've had a number of replies - which you probably have seen - thus, no time yet.
However, I think I have seen the pages you mention - where there are the names of my grandfather - his wife -= brother - sister etc. etc.
Now I have to try to solve the mystery of the father of Victor and John (who appear to have gone to America, as I had thought very probable).
He was either the brother of my grandfather or his uncle - born in Constantinople about 1836 - and that might be a harder nut to crack.
Delighted with these responses and your offer of help - so I will go back and do as you said just in case I find something else.
Thank you, thank you, thank you.
Maureen Ross
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Hello Maureen, You're so welcome! As you can see --- you made a very wise choice in joining Rootschat!! ;D There are so many wonderful people filled with lots of knowledge. Continued success in your quests....You might try posting your quest in Greece, too, on a appropriate board! Pat
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I've looked for both the boys in the 1881 and 1891 censuses - so far with complete lack of success.
Jennifer
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I've looked for both the boys in the 1881 and 1891 censuses - so far with complete lack of success.
Jennifer
Thank you Jen,
just to let you know - I found both boys on the 1881 census - but their surname had been transcribed as Papadiels! However, the original handwritten document very clearly shows Papadopulo - but a dot over one side of the 'u' has made it look like a letter i - and someone has imagined the other side as an 'e' - and read the 'o' as 's' - but if you look at it - it quite clearly is Papadopulo.
Just shows how careful we have to be.
Thank you again for your interest - and the search goes on!
Maureen
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Given that in 1871 we have John, Victor (as 'adopted son') as Papadopulo and Elizabeth Brown in the household as 'housekeeper', it seems pretty clear that they were not married at that point.
A couple of other interesting bits in freebmd:
Sep 1871 quarter birth for Ypatia Papadopulo (in Croydon, looks like she might be another child of this family). She died as a baby and is indexed at death as Ypatia Papadopulo Brown.
and the 1881 marriage of John Papadopulos in Kensington - could be him?
www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue - there is indexed a naturalisation in 1867 under the surname of Papadachi, and also an 1885 record relating to a John Papadopulo's estate (linked somehow to the British consulate in Alexandria, perhaps he died in that area)
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I've looked for both the boys in the 1881 and 1891 censuses - so far with complete lack of success.
My apologies.
I should have said that I'd looked for them in the 1891 and 1901 censuses. I had seen the 1881 entry, as I said in my reply #7 :-[
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Given that in 1871 we have John, Victor (as 'adopted son') as Papadopulo and Elizabeth Brown in the household as 'housekeeper', it seems pretty clear that they were not married at that point.
A couple of other interesting bits in freebmd:
Sep 1871 quarter birth for Ypatia Papadopulo (in Croydon, looks like she might be another child of this family). She died as a baby and is indexed at death as Ypatia Papadopulo Brown.
and the 1881 marriage of John Papadopulos in Kensington - could be him?
Well done! You've come up what has taken me months to discover!!
Only found out about Ypatia's death a couple of days ago, mainly because her having been registered as Papadopulo Brown.
I also found the marriage of John Papadopulos (not correct as a name, but there are so many errors on that) - I seem to have mislaid the wedding certificate in my filing system, but I think you'll find that he married an Elizabeth Rooks, who had previously been married to someone named something like Corsega. Now, if it had been Elizabeth Brown I'd really be delighted.
I have actually been to Kew and found the papers about John in Alexandria. He was the (previously unknown) brother of my great grandfather, Demetrius George Papadopulo and I think there was some scandal attached to his going to Egypt, where he had been teaching French and died of natural causes. Despite the information about his death, there is no mention of his age, where he was born, nothing.
I really do wonder whether he was the father of the three children with Elizabeth, but do not know how to track down that one.
I'm delighted with the help I'm getting on Roots - If only I'd known before!!
Many thanks indeed, Maureen Ross
www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue - there is indexed a naturalisation in 1867 under the surname of Papadachi, and also an 1885 record relating to a John Papadopulo's estate (linked somehow to the British consulate in Alexandria, perhaps he died in that area)
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I've looked for both the boys in the 1881 and 1891 censuses - so far with complete lack of success.
My apologies.
I should have said that I'd looked for them in the 1891 and 1901 censuses. I had seen
tthe 1881 entry, as I said in my reply #7
Thank you, no need to apologise; I'm so pleased with the information you have been able to find.
Tomorrow I'm leaving for Italy to visit my two sons and will be away for about 3 weeks. However, today the search continues and even while I'm away I'll certainly be coming on to Roots and hope the search can go on.
Ciao for now,
Maureen Ross
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I've looked for both the boys in the 1881 and 1891 censuses - so far with complete lack of success.
My apologies.
I should have said that I'd looked for them in the 1891 and 1901 censuses. I had seen
Oh dear - someone left me a message about Demetrius George Papadopulo trying to get naturalisation in New York - but I cannot find the message again -
Can whoever so kindly posted it to me please repeat??
Thank you - Maureen
tthe 1881 entry, as I said in my reply #7
Thank you, no need to apologise; I'm so pleased with the information you have been able to find.
Tomorrow I'm leaving for Italy to visit my two sons and will be away for about 3 weeks. However, today the search continues and even while I'm away I'll certainly be coming on to Roots and hope the search can go on.
Ciao for now,
Maureen Ross
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Hello again, Maureen, Have you tried the freebmd site with the limitations, as I suggested? I think there are many of the family you seek in there with variant spellings......Please let me know if you try it...... ;D Pat
Hi,
I'm amazed - since putting on my message less than an hour ago, I've had a number of replies - which you probably have seen - thus, no time yet.
However, I think I have seen the pages you mention - where there are the names of my grandfather - his wife -= brother - sister etc. etc.
Now I have to try to solve the mystery of the father of Victor and John (who appear to have gone to America, as I had thought very probable).
He was either the brother of my grandfather or his uncle - born in Constantinople about 1836 - and that might be a harder nut to crack.
Delighted with these responses and your offer of help - so I will go back and do as you said just in case I find something else.
Thank you, thank you, thank you.
Maureen Ross
hi Pat,
perhaps you can help me again - please?
Someone left me a message about Demetrius George Papadopulo having applied for US naturalisation - but the message has disappeared.
Before I go away tomorrow, would so much like to get that information since hopefully it would tell me where he as born and his parents (father George, mother unknown).
Many thanks
Maureen
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Hi! "rosie99" posted that information, I believe....you should be able to see it on the thread that has developed.....sorry, it wasn't me! Pat
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And perhaps John visited him
John PAPADOPOULOS
Sailed 3 September 1937 from Liverpool to New York
Johns age given as 64 occupation engineer
Ships name FRANCONIA
Rosie
Hi Rosie,
I have a little puzzle - was it you who sent me the message about Demetrius George Papadopulo trying to get naturalisation in New York?
Someone sent me the reference, but it seems to have disappeared from these messages and I cannot find it myself.
I'm off to Italy tomorrow and would love to do something before I go.
Thank you
Maureen
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Hi! "rosie99" posted that information, I believe....you should be able to see it on the thread that has developed.....sorry, it wasn't me! Pat
Thanks for coming back to me - I have now sent the same question to Rosie 99 - and hope!
Maureen
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Hi again, postings are on the thread so that all can see them...if you want to send a PM (personal message) to someone you can just click on their user name or the little green scroll...then, that message will only be between you and that person....You have gotten SO much wonderful information that maybe you are suffering from information overload! ;D That's a good affliction! Let us know if you have been able to read rosie99's posting. Pat
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Hi again, postings are on the thread so that all can see them...if you want to send a PM (personal message) to someone you can just click on their user name or the little green scroll...then, that message will only be between you and that person....You have gotten SO much wonderful information that maybe you are suffering from information overload! ;D That's a good affliction! Let us know if you have been able to read rosie99's posting. Pat
Well I might be - but this has been such a good experience - I have spent many months this year getting to this point.
I'm stuck on my great grandfather (Demetrius) so he is exceptionally important to me.
I purposely put messag eon the thread because I cannot remember who sent it to me - but it's certainly not visible any longer!
Maureen
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Hi! "rosie99" posted that information, I believe....you should be able to see it on the thread that has developed.....sorry, it wasn't me! Pat
Not guilty ;D I only posted the two sailing records both still on here.
Rosie
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Hi! "rosie99" posted that information, I believe....you should be able to see it on the thread that has developed.....sorry, it wasn't me! Pat
Not guilty ;D I only posted the two sailing records both still on here.
Rosie
hllo Rosie
Thanks for coming back to me. This has become yet another mystery - why didn,t I follow it through straight away? Oh well, will get back to it some time. Thanks, anyway.
Maureen
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Hello Maureen, You're so welcome! As you can see --- you made a very wise choice in joining Rootschat!! ;D There are so many wonderful people filled with lots of knowledge. Continued success in your quests....You might try posting your quest in Greece, too, on a appropriate board! Pat
Hi, here I am again ! Currently in Italy staying with my son, but can't leave the old Papadopulo quest!! I'm again seeking help: I went back to my search for Demetrius George Papadopulo (my great-grandfather who died in England). I think he must have been born in Greece - but I did find the same name, Demetrius George (although Papadopulos, not Papadopulo - tho' my experience is that doesn't necessarily mean a lot). So, same two Christian names, same father's name - George - BUT - had been living in New York, USA and was born in Greece in 1892.
I've looked at immigration records but can find nothing about my own DG Papadopulo and how or when he arrived in this country (since I have his birth as 1858 but can find no record of that in UK) - he died here in 1898 and I know about all his children, one of whom of course was my own grandfather.
So, where can I go from here?
You may not be able to help me, but I must ask.
Many thanks even for reading this, Maureen
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Given that in 1871 we have John, Victor (as 'adopted son') as Papadopulo and Elizabeth Brown in the household as 'housekeeper', it seems pretty clear that they were not married at that point.
A couple of other interesting bits in freebmd:
Sep 1871 quarter birth for Ypatia Papadopulo (in Croydon, looks like she might be another child of this family). She died as a baby and is indexed at death as Ypatia Papadopulo Brown.
and the 1881 marriage of John Papadopulos in Kensington - could be him?
Well done! You've come up what has taken me months to discover!!
Only found out about Ypatia's death a couple of days ago, mainly because her having been registered as Papadopulo Brown.
I also found the marriage of John Papadopulos (not correct as a name, but there are so many errors on that) - I seem to have mislaid the wedding certificate in my filing system, but I think you'll find that he married an Elizabeth Rooks, who had previously been married to someone named something like Corsega. Now, if it had been Elizabeth Brown I'd really be delighted.
I have actually been to Kew and found the papers about John in Alexandria. He was the (previously unknown) brother of my great grandfather, Demetrius George Papadopulo and I think there was some scandal attached to his going to Egypt, where he had been teaching French and died of natural causes. Despite the information about his death, there is no mention of his age, where he was born, nothing.
I really do wonder whether he was the father of the three children with Elizabeth, but do not know how to track down that one.
I'm delighted with the help I'm getting on Roots - If only I'd known before!!
Many thanks indeed, Maureen Ross
www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue - there is indexed a naturalisation in 1867 under the surname of Papadachi, and also an 1885 record relating to a John Papadopulo's estate (linked somehow to the British consulate in Alexandria, perhaps he died in that area)
[Hi,
I'm currently on holiday in Italy, but have come on to this Forum this evening.
Just to inform you, since you hleped me a lot - I was concerned as to whether the above were 'my' Papadopulos, but apart from the birth of John being registered at St. Saviour, London, where all the other births and marriages were registered - there is another fact which seems to say they're definitely my family: my great grandfather's first child was also a girl, also names Ypatia and most strangely, also died within 3 months - quite a coincidence.
I did fid the John Papadopulo's Estate papers in Kew and in fact that gave me my first indication that Demetrius George had had a brother - since amongst all the official stuff, was a very interesting personal letter from Demetrius to 'my dear brother'.
I do wonder whether he was the father of our three children but have found no clue so far.
Anyway, the search is definitely ongoing.
Many thanks again, Maureen
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hello,
I've been on here before but cannot get back to my original page - probably because of the pc I'm using abroad.
Still trying to trace my Papadopulo family: did think I'd made a big breakthrough recently when I found identical christian names - Demetrius George, surname Papadopulos - with father's name George.
My own great grandfather was Demetrius George Papadopulo, birthplace unknown but married, had his children and died all in the UK - and his father's name was also George.
My 'discovery' in fact was born in US some 40 years later, but the coincidence is very strong and I'm sure there must be a connection, but am stuck, once again.
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Hi amalfino,
Good tip for finding posts:
just go in your profile and click on Show the last posts of this RootChatter
That will take you to list of every post you've made on RootsChat.
I'll repeat the link I gave in the chatroom, in case it got lost :)
https://wiki.familysearch.org/en/Main_Page
Information on genealogical research in different countries.
For a fuller description see the topic about this project on the "Immigrants & Emigrants" resources board
Topic: New resource from Familysearch: research in other countries
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,259450.0.html
I'll merge your other topic with this one, so people know what you already have :)
regards,
Bob
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Hi Bob,
Back in UK and I've found your message on here - at last! Later this week, I'll get back to it. Thank you again, you have helped me.
will let you know if (or when) I get any more inf.
ciao for now, Maureen
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hello Bob
I've only just this morning found your latest messages to me - re the Papadopulo family - but they're dated last year - is it really that long a time since I was in touch with you - seems impossible!!
You may not want to be bothered any more - but in case - I'll bring you up to date.
I found my grandfather D.G. Papadopulo on the 1871 Census at a private school
in Oxford - about an hour on the bus from where I live!
The Census shows that he was born in Constantinople (as was his brother0 and not in Corinth, as I had always been told.
Have contacted the Turkish Embassy, who did not like my using the name Constantinople! and were not helpful.
So that's where I am now. Thought I had hit the jackpot with a school in Oxford, but as it was private, there are no public records - but will see whether I can trace anyone in the headmaster's family (Josiah Mundy Crapper), a lot of whom were in Oxfordshire in the late 18/early 1900s.
So, the search goes on.
Looking through those old messages I see that you gave me so much help and I really must thank you so much.
Very best wishes, Maureen