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Title: Devir/Dever/Diver Donegal to Australia 1850s-1870s
Post by: annmck on Saturday 31 July 10 09:43 BST (UK)
My mother's paternal grandfather, John Devir/Dever/Diver- (a different spelling on every occasion!!)- emigrated to Australia with his wife Bridget [O'Donnell] aboard the "Scottish Hero" departing 14.12.1878 from London & arriving 5.4.1879 in Maryborough Queensland. I have no record of them before this.

Bridget had 5 children in Australia: Mary, born/died 1881, Catherine born/died 1882, John Patrick, (my mother's father) b 1883, Catherine born/died 1884, and Bernard (born 1885). Bridget died in 1885, aged 25, possibly from a complication of childbirth. Her death certificate is sketchy, with marriage particulars and parents names & occupation(s) unknown. Birthplace is given as Ireland, and we always assumed it was Donegal. Her death notice in the Sydney Morning Herald requests Londonderry papers to copy. Puzzlingly, it also states she leaves "an affectionate husband & 3 children" Did they leave a child behind in Ireland as my mother seemed to think. There is no further record of the last child Bernard, except for his birth...

John was born abt 1855. He had 2 brothers,

1. Bernard born abt 1839 in Donegal to Thomas Devir, farmer, & Catherine Sweeney, (according to his death certificate) and
2. Michael born abt 1837 in Donegal to James Devir, farm labourer, & Catherine Sweeney, (according to his death cert.) Was this a clerical error? or was Catherine widowed and remarried to another Devir?
Michael and his wife Sarah [Ryan] emigrated to Aus in abt 1865, but I've found no shipping record for them. I found a marriage record for a Michael Diver & Sarah Ryan, both of Cloghroe in 1864. His father's name is given as James
I have discovered several James & Thomas Devir/Dever/Divers in Conwal (Letterkenny); Tullaghobegly (Maheragallan); Killybegs (Drumbarran)and Kimacrenan (Gortnaskeagh) but I am anxious not to leap to erroneous conclusions. 
Bernard's obit in the Sydney Morning Herald 1886- he died 24 Jan after 17 yrs in Aus.- stated that he was formerly of Kilmacrenan. He married, in Sydney in 1876, Catherine Leggatt [nee Devir], who had emigrated with her sister Sophia Devir in 1859 aboard "Lady Bruce". Their brother Dominick (sic) & sister Bridget joined them in 1864. Sophia Devir married Cornelius Devir, a fellow passenger on the "Lady Bruce" (presumably in Sydney, as they each appear as single on the passenger list).
All these Devirs marrying Devirs gets very confusing!  ???

Back to my gtgrfather John.  He seems to have fallen of the face of the earth. We know he went gold mining, dragging my gfather (who eventually ran away back to Sydney) with him. He was an alcoholic by that time, small wonder. There is no further record of him. But that's for the Aus forum.

Any leads on their pre Australia lives, and connections, would be much appreciated.
 
Title: Re: Devir/Dever/Diver Donegal to Australia 1850s-1870s
Post by: kingskerswell on Saturday 31 July 10 13:42 BST (UK)
Hi,
   A parent search on the IGI (part of www.familysearcg.org) gives a child, Bridget Diver, born 5 Oct 1878 in Magherablad, Co. Donegal to John Diver and Bridget O'Donnell. This was an "extracted record" therefore more likely to be accurate.
   Magherablad appears to be in the north of the county, near Dunfanaghy.

Regards
Title: Re: Devir/Dever/Diver Donegal to Australia 1850s-1870s
Post by: aghadowey on Saturday 31 July 10 22:22 BST (UK)
Birthplace is given as Ireland, and we always assumed it was Donegal. Her death notice in the Sydney Morning Herald requests Londonderry papers to copy.

It was not uncommon for such notices for the hometown paper to copy a death notice but Londonderry (city) is on the border of Donegal and many Donegal people would have read the Derry papers which is why they've asked for the notice to appear there..
Title: Re: Devir/Dever/Diver Donegal to Australia 1850s-1870s
Post by: annmck on Sunday 01 August 10 00:15 BST (UK)
Good Lord, you people are quick...and kind!

Thank you, dear souls,

Ann
Title: Re: Devir/Dever/Diver Donegal to Australia 1850s-1870s
Post by: Patricia Greber on Sunday 29 August 10 18:51 BST (UK)
Hi, I too am researching the surname Dever/Diver from Kilmacrenan. I am wondering if you would like to exchange information on our lines? I have also done some DNA testing on this line and am wondering if this would be a route you would be willing to go? I have used Family Tree DNA and if you do decide to test there we would be able to make some comparisons.
My line is James Dever son of Samuel & Elizabeth who was born in 1824 in Kilmacrenan. James left and came to Canada in 1862.
I would really like to link up with other Dever families!
Title: Re: Devir/Dever/Diver Donegal to Australia 1850s-1870s
Post by: annmck on Monday 30 August 10 10:20 BST (UK)
Hi treesrch  :)

I'd be delighted, but I must warn you, the only pre-Australia info I have is what is in this thread!!

What type of test did you use....because I'm female, and my mitochondrial line isn't Devir. That's not to say that I'm not interested, but I may have to ask a male Devir cuz to come on board!

This is going to be fun!
Cheers,

Ann
Title: Re: Devir/Dever/Diver Donegal to Australia 1850s-1870s
Post by: Patricia Greber on Monday 30 August 10 15:07 BST (UK)
There is a new test out called Family Finder that can detect up to 5th cousins. The beauty of this test is that either male or female can be the testee. I have taken this test and have a lot of matches, the only problem is it is hard to tell which line the connection is through!
Is your Devir family Catholic or Protestant?
I am very excited to find a potential cousin!
Patricia
Title: Re: Devir/Dever/Diver Donegal to Australia 1850s-1870s
Post by: annmck on Tuesday 31 August 10 07:57 BST (UK)
Hi treesrch!

All of our Devirs/Devers/Divers were Catholic!

I've come across Protestant Devers in the census though, which surprised me, though i don't know why it should....

We have some swapping, digging & testing ahead of us, Twig! I'll check out the F F details in the next couple of days.. ;D

Ann
Title: Re: Devir/Dever/Diver Donegal to Australia 1850s-1870s
Post by: Patricia Greber on Sunday 05 February 12 20:55 GMT (UK)
Hi Anne,
How's the Dever research going?
Title: Re: Devir/Dever/Diver Donegal to Australia 1850s-1870s
Post by: doon66 on Tuesday 03 April 12 20:33 BST (UK)
 you refer to a bernard devir son of thomas d and catherine sweeney.i feel that catherine is a sister of hannah mcdevitt[sweeney] largnalarkin,parish of inniskeel age 83 in 1901 cenuus and ambrose sweeney cornagallon parish of gartan age 76 in 1901 census and edward died 1902 age 40.all were the children of myles sweeney a native of glenfinn d.1882 age 60 and his wife kate[catherine] d. 1895 age 90.
hannah mcdevitt had a daughter brigid widowed in america while she had died by 1900 in donegal.of her three children ann age 11 was living in philadelphia with her mothers sister mary devir[born march 1850] according to u.s census 1900 and also  a widow .another daughter maggie in 1900 was living with her grand uncle ambrose in cornagallon while a brother laurence was living with his grandmother hannah in largnalarkin.
mary dever left philadelphia and was also living in her birthplace in largnalarkin by 1911 census age 69.sarah mcdevitt another niece of ambrose lived with him as his unmarried housekeeper age 30 in 1901.he died in 1909 and by 1911 sarah was living on the farm with her new husband edward gallagher.

regards
laurence
Title: Re: Devir/Dever/Diver Donegal to Australia 1850s-1870s
Post by: Dalmeny on Saturday 15 July 17 07:58 BST (UK)
Hi - I too am searching for ancestors Devir - my husbands great grandfather was Dominick Devir, born 1836/7 in Donegal (we believe), mother's name Ellen. He came to Australia on the Montmorency in 1864.  I believe he was the brother of Sophia and Catherine. We have recently met my husband's 2nd cousin - they share their grandfathers who were twins (sons of Dominick). Dominick married Johanna Dooley in Sydney and they resided at Bowraville, NSW. In Australia Johanna went by the name of Julia. Their marriage certificate notes Dominick's parents as John Diver and Ellen Ferry. Johanna's parents listed as Nicholas Dooley and Johanna Kelly. They had 6 children (John, Nicholas, Dominick (twin), Michael (twin), Johanna & Ellen). By the look of Dominick's surname on the marriage certificate it was also written and signed as Diver.
My husband has always believed, via his mother who was a Devir, that the name was changed after arrival in Australia, so the original name could have been Diver.
I am not sure what date you posted questions on Rootsweb so I am hoping you have further information about the Devir/Diver family. Looking forward to a reply.
Title: Re: Devir/Dever/Diver Donegal to Australia 1850s-1870s
Post by: annmck on Tuesday 18 July 17 22:35 BST (UK)
Hi, Dalmeny....just about to buzz off to work, but delighted to see your post!

If you make 2 more posts...as brief as you like :)...you'll be able to use the private message service-the link to which will be a green scroll next to your little profile icon.
I have a lot of info about the families I'd like to share :)

Cheers,
Ann
Title: Re: Devir/Dever/Diver Donegal to Australia 1850s-1870s
Post by: Dalmeny on Wednesday 19 July 17 00:25 BST (UK)
Thank you for your response.  I am keen to be in contact.  Dolmens
Title: Re: Devir/Dever/Diver Donegal to Australia 1850s-1870s
Post by: Dalmeny on Wednesday 19 July 17 00:26 BST (UK)
Hi - thank you for your response - It has not been easy to get information regarding the Devir's / Diver's as you already know.  So it is really great to make contact.  Dalmeny
Title: Re: Devir/Dever/Diver Donegal to Australia 1850s-1870s
Post by: 1dery on Sunday 26 September 21 16:10 BST (UK)
Hi Dalmeny, You will no doubt know a lot more by now about Dominick.
My grandfather was Dominick Devir (jnr) twin brother of Michael (Mick), and my father was Mervyn, brother of Warren (& others).  Warren's son, Wayne, has written a family history collating stories passed down about Dominick Snr's life and the family life at Bowraville, Scotts Head and Worrell Creek, with some photos.  As a child, I used to visit Dominick Jnr & Dorothy at Worrell creek.  I have only just found my copy gone on damaged hard drive- will have to get another. 
Nobody appears yet to have found anything much about life and deaths of John Devir/Ellen Ferry or their parents. 
Dom Snr's marriage to Julia in 1970 appears to have been a type of arranged marriage. His journey to Sydney, marriage in St Mary's Cathedral, then back in the horse & sulky to Bowraville for the honeymoon, and swimming some creeks, in a legendary story in the published social history of the Nambucca river.  The Bowra wharf that handled all the river cargo was jokingly called Port Devir since built on his property. 
A list of families in Donegal in 11th-16th century, lists O'Devir & no O'Divers. The Diver name may have been an English deviation.  The Griffith's Valuation in 1857 for Clondahorky, lists Ellen Devir (& other Devirs) in Magherablad where Dominick snr came from.  There were no Divers listed in Clondahorky in 1857.  The Diver name on the Passenger records appears to be a mistake - ability to write problematic.  Whilst his first 2 children (John & Joanah) were born as Diver in 1872, 74 - he had changed his name back to Devir by the time the twins were born in 1881, and Ellen in 1883.

I am helping to collate a history of the Bowraville Football club, which started playing Rugby Union in 1884.  John Devir played for them in 1898, (1900?), 1901.  Club folded 1902-1904.  Dominick played 1905, 1906 (with Mick), 1907, 1908, 1909 (Mick Vice-President), 1910. No further detail yet.  Source info bit patchy.  My mother, (still alive with good memory and just had driving license renewed at 93), claims Mick played for Macksville in some years which created some friction.  She has  a 10 x 8 sepia photo of the Bowra team in 1907, plus two others likely 1905, 1908 with Dom in 2 of these.  Cannot see a twin though. These will probably end up in the Bowraville Museum.  Got no further yet.  All Rugby Union folded during WWI, started again in 1919, and most North Coast changed to Rugby League in 1920. My brothers and I played League for Bowraville over the 1962-95 period. 
If you have not seen a copy of Wayne's collation, I can forward a copy when I retrieve, if you make contact. The Rugby union history with photos will most likely end up on line somewhere, but I can send higher resolution copies of the original team photos if of interest.  I also have a reasonable photo of Dom jnr in mid life.