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Hi
I am researching my great, great grandfather's family and I have hit a stumbling block. This is the information I have so far;
WILLIAM TAYLOR (abt1830-?) was born in Shipton or Buittle in Shropshire. He married a MARY ? (abt1839-?) and had the following children;
1) THOMAS (1857-?)
know nothing about him!
2) JANE (1860-?)
know nothing about her!
3) MARTHA (1862-?)
know nothing about her!
4) WILLIAM (1864-?)
know nothing about him!
5) MARY (1866-?)
know nothing about her!
6) ALICE (1868-?)
know nothing about her!
7) ELIZA (1870-?)
know nothing about her!
8. SAMUEL (1873-1959)
married ALICE SEAWARD and had these children, Sidney Silas, Albert W, Florence M, Walter H, Frank Cyril and Alice Elsie (my great grandmother).
9) ALFRED (1875-?)
know nothing about him!
Can anyone help me with this family? I would like to know what happened to all the children. If anyone can help me with this family I would be very grateful! I would like to know what happened to them all, where they lived, worked, what children they had etc. I would also like to try and find photos of them too if possible.
Kind regards
Emma
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Hi Emma & welcome to RootsChat
Do you already have any census information? If not, I have found them in 1871 and can give you the details
Linda
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I have the family on 1861/71 census
it may be a good idea if you list the p.o.b. as given in census
Then you can look up their birth reg's free BMD
If you follow the children through the census you will have a better idea of where they lived etc
I assume the dates given are maybe baptism dates from IGI ?
If so most probably martha 1860 died - often when a child died in infancy a later child would be given the same name
Do you have access to all census??
Suz
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I have access to the census records. I have William Taylor and his wife Mary in the 1861 and 1871 census.
I got the estimated birth dates from the census records, I don't know what the IGI is I'm afraid.
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Hi,
There is a William Taylor 36 b. Bridgenorth Salop wife Elizabeth and 6 children living Smethwick Worcester on 1901 census
RG13 2818 125 7
maybe a match for your William
Suz
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Did you know Mmother Mary remarried??
She was a widow in 1881 -and some of the children had left home
1891 she had remarried - Samuel was still homewith her
Do you have this census ???
Could you post what census you have each child on ???
Suz
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Some great information so far guys, thanks for your help. In regards to the census information I have on all the children -
Thomas - 1861/1871
Jane - 1861/71/81
Martha - 1871
William - 1871/81
Mary - 1871/81
Alice - 1871
Eliza - 1871
Samuel - 1881/91/01/11
Alfred - 1881/91
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Will be back later - if you manage to trace any of the children in later census please post
If you have birth cert for Samuel that should give mother's maiden name -so then you can find a marriage reg
IGI can be found on FamilySearch.org and had baptisms .marriages etc -not complete
there is also family search pilot site which is worth "playing around with" Try it out -it's free and pretty good
Suz
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1891 - RG12/2093/42/2
Lower Forge, Eardington, Shropshire 4 rooms
TAYLOR
Thomas Head M 32 Waggoner employed b Cardington
Emila E (sic) Wife M 48 Stottesdon
Louisa Daur 7 Alveley
Ernest C Son 5 Stottesdon
Elizabeth Daur 1 Morville
all born Salop (Shropshire)
You need to be aware that Cardington & Eardington seem to be easily confused, especially in census transcriptions :D
Linda
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1901 - RG13/2771/20/13
Hexfords? Cottages, Upper Arley, Worcestershire 3 rooms
TAYLOR
Thomas Head M 46 Waggoner on farm worker b Shropshire, Eardington
Emma E Wife M 50 Worcs, Stottesden
Elizabeth Daur 10 Shropshire, Marvel
Frederick Son 8 Staffordshire, Pattingham
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Emma,
As I understand it, you are stuck trying to trace further back from your William TAYLOR, born c.1830. The census doesn't help much and your best hope may be finding the record of his marriage to Mary.
I may have found their marriage in 1857 so you could send for the certificate.
My reasoning; - After William TAYLOR died in 1877, his widow Mary married a John WINWOOD in Bridgnorth. I transcribed Mary's Father as John BEAMAN, a Labourer.
Mary consistently stated on the census that she was from Leebotwood.
FreeBMD has a marriage listing for the June quarter of 1857, Church Stretton District, which includes Leebotwood. The four names shown include;
Mary BEAMOND and William TAILOR.
My poor quality copy of the Leebotwood 1841 census seems to show a John BEA...N, a Collier, with his family that includes a Mary, age 2.
I'll post more information tomorrow on the TAYLOR family in Bridgnorth.
Gwynne
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Hi Gwynne
It has been an awfully long time since I first started this thread of messages on the Taylor family but I am still having difficulty!
If you have any information on the Taylor family that I mentioned earlier in this thread I'd be very interested to know what you have.
Kind regards
Emma
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Emma,
I've had a look for your TAYLOR family in my Bridgnorth records. I've not looked at the census records which either you've already got or you can get elsewhere.
The burial of [the first husband of Mary, nee BEAMAN]
William TAYLOR, Labourer, age 46 of Moat Street was buried on 24 Dec 1877. Grave No.2735
Consecrated.
This enabled his wife Mary to re-marry at St. Mary's Church, Bridgnorth on 11 Dec 1881.
John WINWOOD, age 33, Widower. Labourer of Hollybush Road. Father = Samuel HARLEY ! a Labourer.
Mary TAYLOR, age 42, Widow of Hollybush Road. Father = John BEAMAN a Labourer.
Witnesses = Andrew WILSON and Mary Ann JONES.
[comment - Widow Mary was living next door to John on the 1881 census - listed as WINHOOD]
One son of William TAYLOR & Mary was Samuel who married Alice SEAWARD on 30 Oct 1892 at St Mary's Church, Bridgnorth.
Do you have the marriage details?
Some burials in Bridgnorth Municipal Cemetery.
Martha TAYLOR, Spinster, age 29 of Underhill Street. Buried 17 Sept 1891. Grave No.2841 Con.
[in my opinion - one dau of William & Mary]
Alfred TAYLOR, Carter, age 46 of 32 Cartway. Buried 3 July 1920. Grave No.0439 Con.
[in my opinion - one son of William & Mary]
Samuel TAYLOR, Retired Railwayman, age 67 of 8 St John's Street. Buried 11 Dec 1939. Grave No.1626 NewCon.
[in my opinion - one son of William & Mary]
Alice TAYLOR, Widow, age 69 of 8 St John's Street. Buried 1 April 1943. Grave No.1627 NewCon.
[in my opinion - the wife of Samuel]
William Harry TAYLOR, Roadman, age 40, of 8 St John's Street. Buried 30 Oct 1940. Grave No.1627 NewCon.
[same address so perhaps a son of the above Samuel and Alice]
Mary WINWOOD, Wife of John, age 78 of Bicton Asylum. Buried 13 May 1914. Grave No.2841 Consecrated.
[in my opinion - nee BEAMAN, formerly TAYLOR]
One of the daughters of William TAYLOR and Mary was Jane born c.1860.
Jane married at St Leonard's church on 15 July 1883.
Henry CASELEY, Labourer, Bachelor, age 22 of St. Leonard's. Father = Edward CASELEY, a Tailor.
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Jane TAYLOR, Spinster, age 23 of St. Leonard's. Father = William TAYLOR, a Labourer.
Witnesses = Mary HAYNES and John BAKER or BARBER.
One of the daughters of William TAYLOR and Mary was Mary born c.1861.
Mary married at St Mary's church on 25 Dec 1894.
Albert SEAWARD, Packer, Bachelor, age 28. Father = William SEAWARD, Shoe maker.
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Mary TAYLOR, Spinster, age 26. Father = William TAYLOR, Labourer.
This couple were buried;
Mary SEAWARD, wife of Albert age 67 of 9 Bernard's Hill. Buried 6 March 1933. Grave No.1623 NewCon.
Albert SEAWARD, Carpet packer, age 73 of 9 Bernard's Hill. Buried 22 March 1939. Grave No.1625 NewCon.
One of the daughters of William TAYLOR and Mary was Alice born c.1867.
Alice married at St Mary's church on 23 Aug 1885 to William CASELEY.
Do you have the marriage and burial details?
William TAYLOR and Mary apparently had another child you didn't know about.
Christened at St Leonard's on 18 April 1877.
Lucy TAYLOR. Parents William TAYLOR, a Labourer & Mary of Moat Street.
Lucy was buried on 14 Feb 1878, age 1, of Moat Street.
From the book "Bridgnorth - An Army Roll of Honour 1914 - 1918.
[comment - entry in the book means that a person served, not that they died]
TAYLOR A.W. of 76 Bernard's Hill, Tpr [Trooper] 3rd Shropshire Yeomanry.
TAYLOR Sidney of 76 Bernard's Hill, Pte. 1403 F Coy, 4-KSLI [F Company , 4th Kings Shropshire Light Infantry]
[comment - 76 Bernard's Hill was the address of their Grandmother, Emma SEAWARD on the 1901 census]
Hopefully that's sufficient for now.
Gwynne
http://www.rafbridgnorth.org.uk/
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Wow that's fantastic Gwynne! Thank you for taking the time to look into this for me. My family have been planning to visit Bridgnorth cemetery to see the graves of our Taylor/Seaward relatives. In fact I think we are going in the next 2 weeks. It is very helpful to know which graves we need to go and see. :)
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Hi Emma,
You may like to try and look up the Marriage to find Williams Father and his Occp whilst your there.
(Or have you bought the Marriage Cert yet?)
William TAILOR
Mary BEAMOND
15 April 1857, Cardington, Shropshire
Trish :)
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Emma,
My family have been planning to visit Bridgnorth cemetery to see the graves of our
Taylor/Seaward relatives. In fact I think we are going in the next 2 weeks.
It is very helpful to know which graves we need to go and see.
There are perhaps approx. 13,000 burial plots in Bridgnorth cemetery.
I've known people spend all day aimlessly searching for grave plots.
Although I've provided you with the plot numbers, you need both the plan and someone that actually understands the complex numbering system.
Let me know if you want me to locate the grave plots with you on a mutual agreed date.
Gwynne
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Thank you for your kind offer but we are going with one of our relatives who lives in Bridgnorth. He visits some of the graves you mentioned and remembers where they are. That will at least give us a head start. :)
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Trish
I have just ordered the marriage certificate so hopefully that will give me a starting point!
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Cerficate has arrived!
April 15th 1857
William Tailor aged 28 from Cardington
Father - George Tailor - labourer
Mary Beamond aged 18 from Cardington
Father - John Beamond - labourer
Witnesses - Charles Speake (x his mark)
Susan Beamond (x her mark)
William Tailor also made his mark (x) but there is no X next to Mary Beamond's name.
The fact that Taylor is spelt as 'Tailor' could be an error on the part of the person writing the certificate.
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Gwynne,
Just spotted in your list of burial details that you asked me if I had details about Alice Taylor (later Caseley) burial.;
One of the daughters of William TAYLOR and Mary was Alice born c.1867.
Alice married at St Mary's church on 23 Aug 1885 to William CASELEY.
Do you have the marriage and burial details?
No I don't have the details. Was she also buried in Bridgnorth Cemetery?
Kind regards
Emma
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Hi Emma,
Marriage on 23 Aug 1885 at St. Mary's Church, Bridgnorth.
William CASELEY age 35, bachelor, Pensioner? [not clear] of 35 Underhill St. Father = Edward CASELEY a Tailor.
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Alice TAYLOR age 18, spinster, no occ. of 14 Hollybush Road. Father = William TAYLOR a Waggoner.
Witnesses were William RICKUS and Eliza RICKUS.
Their burial in Bridgnorth municipal cemetery.
William CASELEY, Labourer, age 51. Buried 13 June 1902. Grave No.0746C Consecrated.
Alice CASELEY, Widow, age 77, of 26 Anchor Fields. St George's, Kidderminster. Buried 9 Dec 1944. Grave No.0746C Consecrated.
The ages when buried are in line with that given when they married.
Gwynne
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Thanks Gywnne!
I'm also interested in the Lucy Taylor you mentioned earlier (buried 1874). Do you have her grave number?
There are a few other Taylor's that are of interest to me from looking at my records. If you have any information (particularly baptisms/marriages/burials) on these people I'd very much appreciate it;
- Eliza Holmes (formerly Taylor) - 1869-1952 (born and died in Bridgnorth. Father William Taylor. Mother Mary
Beamond. Husband Robert Holmes 1871-?)
- Thomas Taylor - 1857-? (Father William Taylor. Mother Mary Beamond. Wife. Emily Eliza or
Emma Eliza).
- William Taylor – 1864 - ? (brother of Thomas above)
- Jane Caseley (formerly Taylor) - 1860 - 1936 (Father William Taylor. Mother Mary Beamond. Husband Henry Caseley)
The following two people are brother and sister of William Taylor (1830-1877) who married Mary Beamond and whose burial you have provided me with.
We known their father was called George.
- John Taylor - 1834-?
- Mary Taylor - 1831 (unknown spouse)
If there are any George Taylor's that could be their father that you have records of that would be extremely helpful!
Thanks again Gwynne for taking the time to help me. It is very much appreciated! I also know that it takes time to check your records so I am aware that
you may not be able to fulfil my request straight away.
Kind regards
Emma
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Hi Emma,
Marriage at St Mary's Church, Bridgnorth on 30 Oct 1892.
Samuel TAYLOR, age 20, Bachelor, Baker of 132 Dudley Road, Birmingham. Father = William TAYLOR, a Farm Labourer.
Alice SEAWARD, age 19, Spinster, Domestic Servant of 76 Bernard’s Hill. Father = William SEAWARD, a Shoemaker.
Witnesses = Albert SEAWARD and Mary TAYLOR.
Marriage at St Mary's Church, Bridgnorth on 25 Dec 1894.
Albert SEAWARD, age 28, Bachelor, Packer of 76 Bernard’s Hill. Father = William SEAWARD, a Shoemaker.
Mary TAYLOR, age 26, Spinster, no occ'n. 15 Hollybush Road. Father = William TAYLOR, a Labourer.
Witnesses = Samuel TAYLOR and Ada ?
Burials in Bridgnorth Municipal cemetery;
Lucy TAYLOR, Dau of Mary, age 13 mths. Buried 14 Feb 1878. Grave No.2755 Con.
Eliza HOLMES, Wife of Robert, age 83 of 95 Sydney Cottage Drive. Buried 17 Nov 1952. Grave No.2775 Con.
Robert HOLMES, Carpet Weaver Rtd, age 89 of 95 Sydney Cottage Drive. Buried 25 March 1960. Grave No.2775 Con.
Jane CASELEY, Wife of Henry, age 77. Died at Infirmary, lived at 12 Severn St. Buried 26 Dec 1936. Grave No.0588 UnCon.
Henry Millingtton CASELEY, Carter, age 86. Died at Ivy House, Ludlow, lived at 12 Pale Meadow Cottages. Buried 6 Nov 1944. Grave No.0592 UnCon.
Other records that perhaps mention the family;
In the local weekly newspaper The Bridgnorth Journal;
[Source - my own two books]
Issue dated 4 March 1893 - Major fire at the carpet works. Cost of damage £12,000. Mentions various people including H CASELEY,
Issue dated 26 Jan 1895 - Landslip at Riverside. Killed were Emma Ada LEE, age 5 and Thomas GITTOES, age 17. Workers who helped during the rescue included William CASELEY and Henry CASELEY.
Issue dated 25 Sept 1920 - Married at St Leonard’s. Frank Wilfred, eldest son of Mr & Mrs SEAWARD of Bernard’s Hill to Elsie, third dau of Mr & Mrs GRIFFITHS of St Mary’s Street.
Issue dated 5 May 1917 - Killed in action. J Caseley, age 19, son of Mrs Alice Caseley of 12 Severn Street.
I'm not sure if these are 'your' family or not but we have these on various War Memorials in Bridgnorth;
In the Town Park.
G.H TAYLOR. WW1.
H.P TAYLOR. WW1.
R.H TAYLOR. WW1.
W.J CASELEY. WW1.
In St Leonard's Church;
George Henry TAYLOR WW1.
In St. Mary's Church;
W John CASELEY. WW1.
In the Town Hall;
John TAYLOR. Boer War.
Gwynne
http://www.rafbridgnorth.org.uk/familyhistory/chfamily/booksales.html
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Thanks again for that Gwynne and also for the Seaward information you provided. Much appreciated. Do you know where I can get hold of a map of Bridgnorth Cemetery graves? Does one exist?
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Emma,
I mentioned the plan of the cemetery graves in my reply No.15 on 6th Aug.
Until a few years ago, the A1 size plan was kept in Bridgnorth library but it has since been transferred to Shropshire Archives.
Gwynne
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Emma,
Photograph of Cyril TAYLOR, age 66 in 1970. Found today in the 4 Jan 1980 issue of The Bridgnorth Journal.
Gwynne
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That's great Gwynne! Thanks for that.
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I attach a photo of my father taken at the grave of Frank Cyril Taylor in Bridgnorth cemetery. His mothers maiden name was Taylor, on the other side of the tombstone are mentioned deceased members of the Seaward family.
Hi
I am researching my great, great grandfather's family and I have hit a stumbling block. This is the information I have so far;
WILLIAM TAYLOR (abt1830-?) was born in Shipton or Buittle in Shropshire. He married a MARY ? (abt1839-?) and had the following children;
1) THOMAS (1857-?)
know nothing about him!
2) JANE (1860-?)
know nothing about her!
3) MARTHA (1862-?)
know nothing about her!
4) WILLIAM (1864-?)
know nothing about him!
5) MARY (1866-?)
know nothing about her!
6) ALICE (1868-?)
know nothing about her!
7) ELIZA (1870-?)
know nothing about her!
8. SAMUEL (1873-1959)
married ALICE SEAWARD and had these children, Sidney Silas, Albert W, Florence M, Walter H, Frank Cyril and Alice Elsie (my great grandmother).
9) ALFRED (1875-?)
know nothing about him!
Can anyone help me with this family? I would like to know what happened to all the children. If anyone can help me with this family I would be very grateful! I would like to know what happened to them all, where they lived, worked, what children they had etc. I would also like to try and find photos of them too if possible.
Kind regards
Emma
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Hi Marshdave,
Welcome to RootsChat.
You said:
His mothers maiden name was Taylor,
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No. His Mothers maiden name was SEAWARD.
As a new member, you weren't to know but in parallel to this TAYLOR message thread, there was a SEAWARD thread as well.
For littleem1906 who posted the original query, on the SEAWARD thread, I had already posted photographs of the TAYLOR and SEAWARD memorials, together with a full transcription of the memorials, on one of my web sites at;
http://www.rafbridgnorth.org.uk/familyhistory/variousfolder/various.html
With more recent photographs having been posted since, it's now towards the bottom of that page.
Gwynne
http://www.rafbridgnorth.org.uk
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Hi Gwynne,
Thanks for your reply. I think I may have misled you. The man in my photo was my father Alec Marsh who along with his sister Doris Smith [ nee Marsh ] visited the Seaward/ Taylor graves on several occasions. Their parents were Alfred and May Marsh. May's maiden name was Taylor and she was obviously related hence the visits. When my father died in 1996 we scattered some of his ashes on the graves. During this visit Aunt Doris told me she had been born in Low town Bridgnorth and that her mother had carried her to the big church in High town.
The family subsequently moved to Birmingham.
Kind Regards
Dave Marsh
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Hi Dave!
I see May Taylor was your grandmother? She was my granddad's aunt, as my granddad was the son of her sister Alice Elsie Taylor. My nan, who is still living, remembers May and met her a few times. My also went to my nan and granddad's wedding.
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"William CASELEY age 35, bachelor, Pensioner? [not clear] of 35 Underhill St. Father = Edward CASELEY a Tailor.
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Alice TAYLOR age 18, spinster, no occ. of 14 Hollybush Road. Father = William TAYLOR a Waggoner.
Witnesses were William RICKUS and Eliza RICKUS."
At the risk of muddying the waters much further - I'm told by a cousin who has researched many more of the branches than myself that the Rickhus(s) family are related to my bunch of Taylors from Longden Coleham, Shrewsbury.
Peter
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Hi Emma,
Whilst in Bridgnorth Library today, I met Dave Marsh and family. After showing them various information and photographs I've gathered about the TAYLOR and SEAWARD families, I was able to take them to the Hermitage caves that your ancestors lived in. I'll leave Dave to tell you the details.
I've recently been contacted by a third researcher, John from Scotland who is descended from Albert Sidney SEAWARD, b. 1897. John has booked a visit to Bridgnorth for several days, within the next two weeks.
May I give him your contact details? Perhaps the three of you could have a family reunion!!
Gwynne
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That would be great Gwynne. Do you still have my email address?
I wasn't aware that people could still visit the caves. I heard that there was an accident there while ago and the caves had been closed off. Is this correct?
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Hi Emma,
In April 2009, one of a group of teenagers was killed in one the caves when part of the roof collapsed, caused by the heat from their fire.
Subsequently a metal fence has been erected to prevent people entering the caves.
What you have to visualize is a sandstone cliff with a long row of adjacent caves cut into them, rather than a 'tunnel' system. So fence or not, you can virtually see the same thing.
You can still walk along the frontage and even still see pockets in the rock face for roof trusses, etc.
I've asked John to contact you and Dave.
Gwynne
http://www.rafbridgnorth.org.uk
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hi emma.
My grandfather was Sidney Silas,and I can just remember Elsie and her sister. Grandad had two sons .Ronald and Stanley (my father). He had five children .Myself Jill and my four brothers ,Robert Roy ,Michael and Mark. My uncle Ron apparently lost two children and then had my only cousin Jean,
My gran was named Olive Burdett and she was welsh. I heard that my great granddad,Samuel had two 'families. In the first one he had five children and the second one he had four.The youngest of the first family was Cyril who was said to be the last legitimate person to live in the hermitage caves. I have been trying to follow my ancestry but not very good at it ,lol. Really nice to hear of someone looking ...like me. Hope I have given you a bit more info about a small section of the Taylor family. :)
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Just spotted a post mentioning Alex Marsh.I was told he was my father's cousin.I remember him quite well. He and his wife and children lived a short distance from me. My father and Alex used to go out together. I think Alex had two boys and a daughter Janet? His wife was a lovely lady but I cant remember her name unfortunately. Just memories I am dredging from the brain ,lol.
Jeanette.
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Hi Jill / Jeanette?
If Emma doesn't respond to your message, I should be able to assist with your TAYLOR family research.
If you read back through this thread, you will find a lot of facts about the TAYLOR and the very closely related SEAWARD families of Bridgnorth.
The son of Alex MARSH that you mentioned visited Bridgnorth to meet me for a tour of the caves your ancestors lived in.
However, please be careful about mentioning people who maybe still living.
Roots Chat guide lines say;
"To protect people and their identities, we do not encourage the posting of information about people who are or maybe still living."
Regards,
Gwynne
http://www.rafbridgnorth.org.uk
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Hi Jeanette
Thank you for the information. It has been very useful. I will private message you my email address to share information. I have a lot of information on the Seaward and Taylor families gathered from a range of sources, including from Gwynne (see previous post) who has spent a lot of time researching in Bridgnorth.
Emma
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hiya A jill.
my dad is Roy taylor who only recently told me a bit about my ancestry relating to hermatidge caves.
i would like to learn more about my family history, my grandad was stanley taylor and my nan connie
i will be greatly appreciative if anybody has any information regarding my family history
thanks
Toni N
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Hi Toni and welcome to Rootschat, when you have made one more post you can send a PM (Personal Message) to /Jilpad/Jeanette and share private information. You do this by clicking on the text icon beneath her name on the left.
Carol
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Hiya treetotal
thank you for your help. but i cant find a text icon underneath name. is this because i need to make 1 more post first?
thanks
Toni N
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It normally only takes two posts Toni but if you answer this you should be able to see It...it's the second circle under her name on the left.
Carol
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hiya treetotal
have now managed to send a message as icon has appeared like you said, thanks again for your help, really appreciated :)
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You are welcome, good luck :D
Carol