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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Yorkshire (West Riding) => Topic started by: Nurmal on Friday 13 August 10 15:38 BST (UK)
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My gran - Kate Pearson born Feb 1877 in Leeds was daughter of John Pearson born 1852 leeds and Elizoboth Charlotte Pearson - nee Everad born in London. I have traced a long lost sister to Florence May born 1872 to Australia but I seem to remember another sister. Florence May did not even know of Kate and her English siblings. John remarried in 1894 and adopted a son plus I believe his second wife's son but he never lived with his wife or young son William by his first marriage. Can anyone help with Kate's lost sister born 1871 or later. She did not live with gran or with her Pearson grandparents Robert and Catherine in Batley.
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I can see Kate with her Mum Elizabeth and baby brother William in 1881
But not Dad - or Florence - have you got them in 1881?
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Yes, I have Elizaboth, Kate aged 4 and baby William at 23 Rutland Road, Leeds. The house was occupied by a second family - Elizabeth Stainton widow of William. Gran also shows up married to Sam Gledhill on 1911 census as Kate Gleadhall - living in Wortley - a kind lady researched her for me - 1901 census is a mystery? Her father John Pearson and young adopted half brother Horace Carnell were living in Leeds with his new wife Fanny - nee Bellhouse. G Gran Elizoboth died in 1894 and John who had been living with Fanny (down as his housekeeper on census) made an honest woman of her.
Gran Kate seems to disappear from her mothers death in 1894 until the researcher found her just off Whitehall road - spelt wrongly - in the 1911 census. thank you for your interest. I also have a post up looking for Horace Carnell her adopted half brother who may the the death registration of 1967.
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I am a trifle confused as to what you are looking for !!
I thought it was Florence, alleged sister to Kate - born 1872. Thus I asked if you had her on 1881 census.
(Why do you think there is another daughter, FLorence?)
Elizabeh with children Kate (14) and William (10) are at RG12 3706 71 1 in 1891 - still no sign of a Florence.
In your second post the missing info is Kate in 1901. To follow this one up, can you tell us if you have got her marriage to Sam Gledhill (you say she is his wife by 1911) - when and where?
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Hello to both of you,
is this gran in 1901 : RG13; Piece: 4211; Folio: 35; Page: 20
1 Blackburn Street Wortley
Samuel Gleahith 24 yrs labourer in foundry
Kate Gleahith 24 yrs Tailor's machinist
Leonard Gleahith 2 yrs
all born Leeds
I have left it as transcribed but it could be interpreted as Gleadill
heywood
There is an 1898 marriage on Free BMD
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Ok, a bit more rummaging around and I see that Elizabeth Charlotte Evered and John pearson married jan/Feb/Mar 1872 in Leeds Reg District
There is a birth of a Florence Pearson reg in Leeds reg district in Oct/Nov/Dec 1872
Have you got this birth cert to prove she is a child of this marriage?
(just had red letters up - that looks good Heywood as they were into tailoring/dressmaking I think on a previous census)
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Now... who is Florence - is she the lost sister who turns up in Australia and then do you think there should be another sister? (also lost)
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My gran - Kate Pearson born Feb 1877 in Leeds was daughter of John Pearson born 1852 leeds and Elizoboth Charlotte Pearson - nee Everad born in London. I have traced a long lost sister to Florence May born 1872 to Australia but I seem to remember another sister. Florence May did not even know of Kate and her English siblings. John remarried in 1894 and adopted a son plus I believe his second wife's son but he never lived with his wife or young son William by his first marriage. Can anyone help with Kate's lost sister born 1871 or later. She did not live with gran or with her Pearson grandparents Robert and Catherine in Batley.
The published tree shows Florence with her Pearson grandparents in 1881 RG11; Piece: 4517; Folio: 117; Page: 5. Are these the same Robert and Catherine?
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They do seem to have an older son, John. 18 in 1871.
RG 10 4553 42 40
but whether they have other older children who could be Florence's parents ...?
only Florence's birth cert will confirm if she was a child of the John/Elizabeth Evered marriage
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Hi Liz,
that's a reference for 1871 not 1891 - is it the Pearsons you are looking at - yes that 's the family (I think ???)
John is on 1891 with Fanny Bellhouse whom he later marries as Nurmal says.
I can't see any other sister so hopefully Nurmal will tell us where s/he 'seems to remember' her from.
heywood :)
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that's a reference for 1871 not 1891 -heywood :)
sorry - slip of the finger there - have ammended! Thanks.
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sorry lizdb if I confused you - I know of Florence, her marriage and death in Paramatta 1944 via cotacts on Ancestry. We have exchanged proof etc. and yes I have Kates original marriage certificate.
Thank you Heywood - finding an incorrect spelling has helped me. Son Leonard was my oldest uncle andI knew him well. Grandma Kate spoke of sisters not just sister when she got older and less guarded with her memories. I was 15 and she was 81 so she chatted to me often. I do not know of another son to John born before his first marriage in 1872 to my g. gran. I have copies of both his marriage certificates. I also have his census in 1901 and 1911 - that's how I know about adopted Horace -
Florence is with John's parents Robert and Catherine in 1881.
mystery partly solved - thank you
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Do you have Florence in 1891?
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Yes I found Florence via he daughter when I contacted them via Ancestry site. Florence married aged 18 - had several children , lived in Holbeck and then went to Australia -. There is no sign of any other sister in her daughters memory - but her daughter didn't know about her Leeds sister Kate or young brother William until I told her. We know they were sisters because they both have the same parents on their birth certificates. The main problem is my grandmother talking about sisters and not just sister. When I have solved that I will go on to the half sibling? and adopted half brother. Sorry about my complicated family. All this was hidden from me as a child and I now aged 66 feel I need to pass all this on to my own children.
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no need to apologise - no more complicated than many!
So far we have found no evidence of another sister.
When did Kate talk of sisters? Could she have included sister in laws? (I know my sis in law has referred to me a sister at times)
Perhaps if she was referring to wife of William or Horace she may have called them sisters.
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Kate did not have any sister in laws to my knowledge. Her younger brother William married I think in 1904 (yet another route for me to go down eventually) Maybe that is the answer. Thank you, I will look at those links. I am however intrigued by the fact that you may have discovered a brother born to her parents John Pearson and Elizaboth Charlotte Everad in 1871 before their marriage in 1872. Another story for me to follow. Thanks again.
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I cant see this - wherr have we found this? ???
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I thought you found him?. You gave me the reference a few days ago in this search on Saturday 14th August. I have not looked further yet to check up the info.
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Do you mean reply #8?
John who is 18 in 1871, a child of Robert and Catherine, and therefore likely to be the John who marries Elizabeth Evered and is father of Kate etc?
Not a child of John and ELizabeth ......
(this was when we were piecing it al together, before you confirmed in reply #13 that you had seen Florences birth cert nad confirmed she was def a child of John and Eliz. nee Evered)
I may have confused things by initially putting the wrong date on reply #8, but heywood pointed that out within minutes ....