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Waikato Sailed Plymouth May 5th 1877 - arrived Lyttelton August 8th 1877
I know the wife and children of Alexander Gollan travelled on this ship. The transcribed record shows under single women
Single Women
Gollan Jane 27 Inverness
John 2
William 4
Cameron Agnes 9 Travelling with Gollan
It is believed (family history) Alexander was a ship's carpenter ie part of the crew who came with the ship from Port Glasgow where the family lived but not known whether he worked his passage or jumped ship in Lyttleton. I have been unable to verify if he was amongst the crew on the ship's log as only passenger lists seem to exist.
A very strange part of our tree; Alexander and Jane had 2 more children in NZ then left their youngest 2 children in the care of friends there and went on to Australia with the two eldest boys (that journey has not been traced). What is known though is that these two children were never reclaimed by their parents.
The children left in NZ were both born Lyttleton; Euphemia 1878 and Richard Vickers 1880 I had contact (now lost) through descendants of Richard.
William died in Sydney Hospital, NSW in 1898 aged 26 and is buried in Rookwood Cemetery, but no trace has ever been found of Alexander, his wife Jane nor John.
Alexander Gollan was a brother to the missing John Gollan in Wales and also to my gt grandmother. Any help with these elusive GOLLANS would be fantastic.
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Hi fifer,
You have probably seen these links but just in case.
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&cl=search&d=TS18840901.2.20&srpos=10&e=-------10--1----2alexander+gollan--
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&cl=search&d=TS18810401.2.18&srpos=11&e=-------10--11----2alexander+gollan--
These may not relate to your man as it seems there was another couple in NZ at around the same time called Alexander and Jane Gollan who arrived on the Gipsy in 1854.
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Yes these are my Alexander - I believe he emigrated as ship's carpenter on board the Waikato in 1877. His family are all listed on the passenger list.
The children were left in care when Alexander went off to work elsewhere but of Jane I can find no trace.
It would seem strange to me that a mother would leave children so young in the care of another person nor allow their transfer to an orphanage if she were around. The court case does not mention her, which makes me assume she has died, there are no further births to the couple.
The original story posted was related to me by a descendant of Richard (the youngest child), about 10 years ago when I first started researching my "Gollan" family. I can punch holes in the story now with the help of online indexes and Paperspast. But desperately need NZ experienced help in going further.
Of the other son deserted John I can find no trace.
The daughter left behind Euphemia Gunn Gollan (aka Amy) also got herself "in bother" with the law for passing a dud coin. In the article she mentions "her mother" which I found odd ........ until that is I found a possible second marriage - for an Alexander Gollan to Beatrice Jessie Maud Hill in 1891 (there is one child of that marriage Annie Agnis Gollan)
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&cl=search&d=TS18940604.2.39&srpos=1&e=-------10--1----2Euphemia+Gollan--
Euphemia "Amy" Gollan also got herself into a bit of bother with a married man Walter Raynard Vallance and had an illegitimate child who was raised by the paternal grandmother it is believed and whose birth was not registered until 1983!! The child was Edward Tapling Vallance born in 1898.
Because of this affair, subsequent birth and a letter she found his wife divorced him.
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&cl=search&d=MEX19001123.2.31&srpos=1&e=-------10--1----2Walter+Raynard+Vallance--
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&cl=search&d=TS19001123.2.38&srpos=2&e=-------10--1----2Walter+Raynard+Vallance--
Euphemia went on to marry George Greaves 3 years later in 1901, had 3 further children by him and died in 1940.
Any help tracing the missing family members Alexander, Jane and John would be much appreciated. I haven't sent off for any print outs yet as I have also found Alexander Gollans who may be similar ages but middle names do not match up.
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Hi,
I would suggest asking the mods to move your topic to the NZ board where the experts there will have a better chance of seeing it :)
I am sure when they do you will get heaps of help
Leandra
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Thanks I will ask.
The records for Burnham Industrial School only go to 1883 online and unfortunately that's the year before the 4 children were admitted. So I am really struggling with this, me being in Scotland! ::)
Relatives have not been in touch (see the Help! thread on the NZ board) so no further forwards.
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Sorry lost with the names you want info on
is it JOHN GOLLAN bn 1855
Bye
Althea
There are earlier Alexander Gollans eg one in Auckland 1850s, so need to watch that you don't get his references.
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You mentioned above you had lost contact with descendants of Richard
there is a tree on WC
http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=eileen_c&id=I062
Bye
Althea
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Alexander Gollan b 1843 and Jane (Wright) Gollan b 1847 both born Inverness, Scotland.
The Burnham Industrial School records for their 4 children Wm b 1872 John b 1875 both born Scotland and Euphemia b 1878 and Richard Vic[k]ers b 1880 both born NZ. When the children were admitted to Burnham and when they were released would be brilliant. Better still if it states anything about the children's mother Jane. ;D
Only William and Euphemia's deaths have been identified.
LOL that's my tree no longer accurate! ;D
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Richard Vickers Gollan death
Year of Death 1959
Age 79
Location Christchurch Bromley Cemetery
http://librarydata.christchurch.org.nz/Cemeteries/interment.asp?id=119069
Bye
Althea
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Thanks Althea! ;D
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Hi.
The original ships manifest states in the index
Gollan,Jane and family
She is the only passenger with that comment
http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#p=collectionDetails&c=fs%3A1609792
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Eureka! In the far right column of that first image it shows "Alexander Gollan Carpenter" then another line I can't make out looks like something bridge and another name.
Brilliant one for the decipherers!! ;D
Thank you so much, whether he was on this ship or an earlier one .......... onwards and upwards!
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What image number is it?
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Oooops sorry I saved cropped and enlarged it! :-\ Can you make it out?
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Linky http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#p=recordimage&c=fs:1609792&r=r_1077920289&pn=p1
Can't see the record number so "shared" for a link
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That is interesting,there are 2 lots of records in the manifest,the Gollans are on image 12 and image 28,both have the same page numbers (26)but the second set have the pencilled notations on it.
The last bit looks like Ch Ch,maye an abbreviation for Christchurch
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I agree it is weird but oh! so helpful! :D Looks like he was already out in NZ and working when he sent for the family.
Agree it does look like Ch Ch for Christchurch, one bridge was washed out about that time but it looks more like Gash--- Bridge or Sash---- Bridge something like that??
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Hi fifer,
I was in the Christchurch library so I had a wee look for any Gollans. The only reference was Euphemias marrige to Mr Greaves in 1901.which I know you have. The marrige on NZ BMD is under Gollon.
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Again on NZ BMD there are the three children for George and Euphemia
1902 Leicester George
1904 Raymond
1905 Phyllis Dorothy who married in 1929 to Horace John Mills.
do you know if Phyllis and Horace had any children? Maybe they had some family history passed down to them.
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Wow thank you Leandra - that is fabulous to have witnesses and confirmation of parentage! ;D
AND you've given me another option. I had searched for Jane under Jane, Jean, Jessie, even Janet, but not Jennie!
Sadly I don't know of anyone from Euphemia's line so any clues are very very welcome.
LOL this is a bit like a NZ Scavenger Hunt!!
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Richard Vickers Gollan's wife,Mary Elizabeth is buried in the same plot
http://librarydata.christchurch.org.nz/Cemeteries/interment.asp?id=107607
There is also this chap in the same plot
http://librarydata.christchurch.org.nz/Cemeteries/interment.asp?id=123520
his death
1977/42085 Raymond Garth Gollan (born 3 November 1922 )
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Thanks for that Janette!
Now that's interesting I imagine that would probably mean Raymond never married?
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Now trying to find when Alexander travelled to NZ - his last child born in the UK was John bn 2 March 1875 in Port Glasgow.
So I imagine Alexander travelled over sometime after late 1874 through to early 1877?
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I wonder if Alexander was mentioned in the ships manifest because he was a member of the ships crew
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I noticed that a Donald Gollan aged 16yrs from Invernessshire Departed: 26 Sep 1878
Arrival Port: Canterbury Arrived 14 Dec 1878.
Could he have been a relation?
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I noticed that a Donald Gollan aged 16yrs from Invernessshire Departed: 26 Sep 1878
Arrival Port: Canterbury Arrived 14 Dec 1878.
Could he have been a relation?
Donald was Alexander's younger brother he married Elizabeth Woolcock 16 October 1880.
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I wonder if Alexander was mentioned in the ships manifest because he was a member of the ships crew
Somehow I don't think so, more likely he's gone out for work and sent the money to pay for his family's passage. I'm definitely reading Something Bridge Ch Ch.
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Elizabeth died 1882 aged 33Yrs and it appears Donald may have remarried to Helen Yellowlees in 1917
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That can't be him then because he and Elizabeth had the following children
David 1881
Mary Ann 1882
Donald 1884
John 1886
Ooops just noticed his age is all wrong too on the post, he was on the same ship as Jane and family and aged 26.
Single Men (Nominated Immigrants) lists a
Gollan Donald 26 Inverness Lab
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Looks like Elizabeth (Woolcock) Gollan died in 1942 aged 83.
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There is a probate held at Christchurch Archives for Phyllis Mills(Euphemias daughter) died 1997, it may mention her children (if any). I cant find her burial yet, perhaps she was cremated.
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That's brilliant Leandra, now how do I get my mitts on the probate info? ;D It's probably too recent to access online.
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Hi Fifer,
The file is avaiable to be looked at at Christchurch Archives,you could put a new thread on the board asking if someone could look at it for you and take photos of it,the ref is
Please quote this information to request this record
title years
MILLS Phyllis Dorothy - Christchurch - Widow 1997 - 1997
agency series accession box / item sep record no. part alternative no.
CAHX 2989 CH1007 Box186 / CH 1076/1997
Cheers Janette
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Thanks Janette! ;D
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With the help of you Rootschat people I have now verified all the data I had previously, given verbally by a Gollan descendant. I also have thanks to you all a lot of good provenance for the records.
What I haven't yet been able to find out is:
1. When and by which ship Alexander got to NZ
2. What happened to Jane/Jennie (Wright) Gollan his wife after she gave birth to Richard in 1880. It seems strange to me that such a young woman would not have more children, but I can find no death record for her.
3. I haven't been able to source the Burnham Ind School records for all their children Wm, John, Euphemia and Richard who were admitted in 1884 (current online records only go to 1883). Those might give a clue to their mother Jane/Jennie being alive or not at that time. Also those records will let us know when the children were released and possibly what happened to the second eldest child John - another who just vanishes.
4. Was it the same Alexander Gollan (father William mother Euphemia (Gunn) Gollan) who married Beatrice Jessie Maud Hill in 1891?
5. Was the Alexander Thomson Gollan who died in 1903 *my* Alexander? The name Thomson is not in my records for the family but age is correct.
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Hi Fifer
I,m going to suggest the notation refers not to a Bridge but to a Wharf, namely Cashin Wharf at Lyttelton where Alexander and family lived. On the 1881 roll they were in Hawkhurst St, Lyttelton.
Cashin Quay as it is now known is the main import/export wharf for the Port of Lyttelton. I think the note reads "Cashin Wharf ChCh." It has been much developed over the years to reach its present state but must have once been a simple wharf, like so many others at the port. The satellite view on Google Maps is excellent. Have a think about it.
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Fifer, the Alexander Thomson GOLLAN you refer to was a farmer living in West Tamaki, nowdays part of Auckland. He appears there in both the 1881 and 1893 elect rolls. he is not your man.
Alan
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Wow thanks for that! Any other interpretations very welcome! ;D
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Fifer, the Alexander Thomson GOLLAN you refer to was a farmer living in West Tamaki, nowdays part of Auckland. He appears there in both the 1881 and 1893 elect rolls. he is not your man.
Alan
Thanks for that Alan - at least it takes one option out of the equation! ;)
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fifer,
I can photograph the probate for you next time I am in Christchurch, it might be a week or two though. Meanwhile if anything else crops up for the Christchurch area make a list ;)
Leandra
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Hi Fifer
Although it is unusual for a male to have more than one opinion at the same time, I am going to give you a second interpretation of the notation. In 1881 Alexander gave his occupation as "Mariner". Bearing that in mind the note might also read "Erskine Dredge ChCh". Erskine was the name of the dredge then in use at the port. The original English surveyors had named the bay in which Lyttelton lies, "Erskine Bay".
Alan
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Oooooooooo a man with two opinions! ;D Love it!
Yes I suppose it could be either - must read the newspaper report again where he was carpenter on a boat and lost his job.
Thanks again Alan, this is all most informative.
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fifer,
I can photograph the probate for you next time I am in Christchurch, it might be a week or two though. Meanwhile if anything else crops up for the Christchurch area make a list ;)
Leandra
Thanks for the very kind offer Leandra it is very much appreciated. ;D
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I think you are right in the "Dredge" option - this is from PaperPast
LYTTELTON HARBOUR BOARD.
Star , Issue 4040, 1 April 1881, Page 3
Harbour Improvements Committee
This Committee reported :- " Your Committee recommend the Board to confirm the suspension of Alexander Gollan, carpenter on the dredge, and to dispense with his services ; his wages to be paid up to March 6, 1881. Your Committee also recommend that Joseph Page be appointed carpenter in the place of Alexander Gollan, at a salary of £12 per month", Page's permanent appointment to date from May 1 if in the meantime he is found to suit ;
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Fifer, if you read the third advert on this page it refers to the Carpenter on the dredge Erskine. It proves at least that the Erskine carried a carpenter, pity it doesn't name him.
Alan
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&cl=search&d=TS18780104.2.13.2&srpos=28&e=01-01-1877-31-12-1878--10-TS-21-byDA-on--0dredge--
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Alan your last post said
In 1881 Alexander gave his occupation as "Mariner".
Does that 1881 roll contain the names of his wife and family like a census or is it just heads of household???? Oh you see where I'm going - don't you? ;)
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Hi Fifer
A quick lesson no NZ electoral law. Prior to 1881 only adult (21yrs) males who owned a certain amount of property were allowed to vote. From 1881 the franchise was expanded to include ALL adult males. From 1893 ALL adult females were given the vote. Therefore the 1881 roll is the first to list all adult males and 1893 the first to list all adult females. They are a substitute for a census only to the extent that they show adults and then only if they bothered to enroll.
Alan
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Many thanks for that explanation Alan - I am very much a NZ virgin! ;D
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Hi Fifer
Don't know if it helps but in 1893 the only Alexander Gollan (apart from the Auckland farmer) is a plumber living in Masterton. The only Christchurch Gollan is perhaps your William living in Riccarton, occ Labourer. Beatrice Jessie Maud is listed as a housekeeper in Karamea but there is no matching male in that location.
Alan
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New road or blind alley - they are all clues which have to be explored. :-\
William (if that is him at Riccarton) would have been just 21 in the August of 1893.
Could Alex the plumber be the spouse of Beatrice I wonder? I wonder if they separated, I could only find one child to the pair. Annie Agnis (sic) bn 1891 who married in 1911.
Hmmm this has got me thinking. Is there another adult at the same address as Alex the plumber?
I'm beginning to wonder if Alex was a bit of a womaniser!!! ;D
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Blimey! Just checked the map - if they were a "couple" she couldn't have got further away from him if she tried!
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Re William Gollan in Riccarton if that is 'my' Wm he should disappear from that address and NZ within the next few years as he died in Sydney Australia in July 1898 aged just 26. :'(
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Back to the Dredge!! :P
Found this info online and it all ties into the dates I already have!! Note the Dredge was built in Glasgow in 1876 - that would have been Port Glasgow where the ship building took place up river the river is too narrow for shipbuilding. Alexander lived in Port Glasgow and worked as a Ship's Carpenter and was somehow in NZ by 1877. My guess is that he not only helped build it but also sailed on its maiden voyage to NZ. I think I've found how he got to NZ!! ;D Now I need to prove it. :-[
Vessel Name: ERSKINE
Vessel ID: 543010073
Vessel Type: Dredge
Owner: Lyttelton Harbour Board
Built: c1876
Where Built: Glasgow
Vessel Abstract: Jun 1876 arrived Lyttelton to begin work. 1884 laid up. 1890 sold to Westport Harbour Board.
Significant Date: 1890
I really need to get a copy of the following article - off to google again!!
Source: New Zealand Marine News 1994 Volume 43 Number 1 Pages 33-35, 42-50 ( Reference ID 43010006 )
Article Title: Rarely a Dull Moment - The Story of the Lyttelton Steam Dredge "Te Whaka"
Article Abstract: A detailed article on the 1910 Lyttelton dredge TE WHAKA, which also covers much of the history of dredging in the port of Lyttelton.
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The Erskine Dredge was built by Murdoch & Murray Ltd of Port Glasgow in 1875.
There's a report in the Greenock Telegraph of 1875 which I will put up for Renfrew Scotland as a look up; the papers of the day are held in the Watt Library, Greenock, but not digitised.
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fifer,
Did you know there are two trees on GenesReunited with Alexander and Jane.
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fifer,
Did you know there are two trees on GenesReunited with Alexander and Jane.
Will go look, thanks! ;D
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Neither of them have the correct year of birth for Alexander and don't have Jane's maiden name listed. :-\ If they had the census data from 1841, or marriage certificate from 1871, they would know his year of birth +/- 1 year. I'm not a full member on GenesReunited so I cannot contact either poster or view their full tree.
I have found that a lot of information on some "Alexander Gollans" relates directly back to my free to view tree on Rootsweb ........ I suspect there's a lot of plagiarism and/or wishful thinking going on! :P
There seem to be quite a few folk nowadays whose sole motive in genealogy is "collecting" as many people as possible to their tree by relying on others' work, without doing the research or verifying the data etc themselves.
Sadly, they are probably giving any interested future generations one huge headache! :-\
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Woo! Woo! I've spoken to the lovely Sandra at the Watt Library in Greenock, she is almost as excited as me! She is going to check out the microfilm and try to scan it for me and hopefully that will be with me by the end of next week.
Fingers crossed this article gives more than just basic details! :-X
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Hi Fifer
Glad to see you are making progress.
When I looked at Leandra's photo of the marriage record for Euphemia, I was struck by the regular references to 20 St Asaph St and Mrs Pinnion. It appears from PapersPast that she was some sort of nurse who came from London around 1885 and operated some sort of nursing and orphanage service. Did Mrs Pinnion look after the Gollan chidren after their parents left or was she simply Euphemia's employer?
Alan
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=q&hs=1&r=1&results=1&t=0&txq=pinnion&pbq=TS&dafdq=01&dafmq=01&dafyq=1881&datdq=31&datmq=12&datyq=1921&tyq=&o=10&sf=byDA&ssnip=&ssnip=on&x=37&y=9&e=01-01-1881-31-12-1901--10-TS-1-byDA-on--0pinnion--
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I *think* just an employer (although I am bearing in mind that Euphemia herself had an illegitimate child in 1898) I do suspect that Mrs Pinnion befriended and took care of Euphemia, probably treated her like family - that's just a feeling I get. Perhaps because of her past Euphemia felt drawn to Mrs Pinnion?
The children were left in the care of a Mrs Howard by Alexander probably in 1883/4 and it was she who committed them to Burnham in 1884 because she had received no money from Alexander. They must have spent many years at Burnham, as the youngest Richard was born in 1880, he would not have been released until 1894/5, prior to Euphemia's marriage to George Greaves.
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Hi again Fifer
Some references to the Erskine's voyage from Glasgow and to two events after it arrived, one of which refers to Alexander. All of these are prior to the arrival of the Waikato.
Alan
The Erskine leaves Glasgow but has to put in to Belfast
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&cl=search&d=TS18760306.2.3.3&srpos=10&e=01-01-1874-30-12-1877--10-TS-1-byDA-on--0erskine--
The arrival date in Lyttelton
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&cl=search&d=TS18760510.2.3.1&srpos=11&e=01-01-1874-30-12-1877--10-TS-11-byDA-on--0erskine--
A serious drunken incident on board the Erskine
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&cl=search&d=TS18760605.2.10.2&srpos=12&e=01-01-1874-30-12-1877--10-TS-11-byDA-on--0erskine--
A ship's boat sailing race in which Erskines boat is commanded by "Gollan". They won the rereace.
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&cl=search&d=TS18770102.2.17&srpos=16&e=01-01-1874-30-12-1877--10-TS-11-byDA-on--0erskine--
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That is fabulous Alan!
I'm now wondering if the £10 prize money for the boat race was the money he used to bring his family out to NZ.
The other report into drunkness and assault aboard sounds like typical sailors of the day! ;)
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And even a report of the Tsunami of 1877
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&cl=search&d=TS18770512.2.15&srpos=21&e=01-01-1874-30-12-1877--10-TS-21-byDA-on--0erskine--
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Hi fifer1947
There are a lot of John Gollan's on the marriage BDM NSW Australia dating from 1859 to 1951 have you checked on that place as yet
http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au
There are 2 Jane Gollan's that married
one in 1856 , 1884
Also there are quite a few Alexander Gollan's marraiges there as well
texasjoe
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Hello again Fifer
I was looking at some photos among the on line holdings of our National Library in Wellington. I thru in Lyttelton as a search and came across a photo described as "Part 1 of a 2 part panorama of Lyttelton Harbour, taken in 1882 by an unidentified photographer". If I am not mistaken the vessel almost dead centre of this image is a dredge and given the date it must be the Erskine. I cannot see any other option. Take a look for yourself.
http://ndhadeliver.natlib.govt.nz//view/action/ieViewer.do?from_proxy=true&dps_pid=IE158132&dps_custom_att_1=tapuhi&dps_dvs=1283160509821~129&dps_pid=IE158132
Alan
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Oh wow! Alan that is fabulous! Thank you so much for that, I can't imagine it being any other than the Erskine, hopefully the Watt Library may have a pic to compare. ;D
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Hi fifer1947
There are a lot of John Gollan's on the marriage BDM NSW Australia dating from 1859 to 1951 have you checked on that place as yet
http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au
There are 2 Jane Gollan's that married
one in 1856 , 1884
Also there are quite a few Alexander Gollan's marraiges there as well
texasjoe
Thank you - it may well be that John ended up in Australia along with his brother William. So I will follow on with that if I can find out when/how William got there! ;D
Somehow I doubt if Jane ever got to Australia :-\ but Alexander may have gone there with his sons, so that is another avenue of research.
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Hi fifer1947
I have found a Jane ( t ) Gollan that arrived on the
as per below inward bound ships to Victoria Australia
GOLLAN JANET 26 SEP 1913 ship WILCANNIA B
GOLLAN ALEX 26 MAR 1857 ship JAMES BAINES B
GOLLAN ALEXANDER 2 OCT 1852 FLORA 6 75
GOLLAN ALEXANDER 26 OCT 1852 FLORA 6 75
I think that both of these two Alexanders may be related Father and son
and this one bound for England
GOLLAN JANE 30 ( ship GREAT BRITAIN ) AUG 1864 LIVERPOOL AUG 1864
I have also found this one in Queensland
a marriage
1885/C445 Marshall Margaret Gollan William John
This is a death for a NSW
8020/1898 GOLLAN WILLIAM ALEXANDER JANE SYDNEY
Marriage NSW
186/1876 GOLLAN WILLIAM MURPHY BRIDGET A SYDNEY
Does Alexander have a second name or do you have his parents name as there are a few of his names mentioned in the BDM NSW
texasjoe
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Thanks for looking texasjoe ;D
The family didn't leave the UK for NZ until 1875/6 (Alex) 1877 (Jane, Wm and John) so none of the 1850s data fits.
Jane (Jennie) had her last child Richard in 1880 (Lyttelton) age just 33 so it looks more likely she died or was divorced in NZ.
The children were committed to Burnham Ind School in 1884 and Alexander was working in NZ at that time.
The Sydney death of William 1898 is definitely ours, it was confirmed some years ago, his death cert states he was unmarried.
Alexander had no middle name.
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Jane is a real mystery, is there a chance she went back to the UK?
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Sorry had pc problems and only just back online. :-\ A week without a pc!! :o
I agree Jane (aka Jenny) is a real mystery I just can't figure why anyone let alone a mother would leave a child behind (even with it's father) unless she had died but there's no record of death in NZ and we know Alexander was still in NZ.
Will check back later, still trying to bookmark all my favourite sites.
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Received the scans from the Watt Library today and will post when I've managed to resize them.
Sadly no picture or mention of any of the crew on her outward journey, but I will ask if Kew have the crew list on record now I have an approximate sailing date.
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Another look up when the weather and earthquakes settle down over there!
This is a divorce 1900 in which Euphemia Gollan was correspondent. Has to be ordered and viewed in office.
http://www.archway.archives.govt.nz/ViewFullItem.do?code=20357468
Vallance, Ann Charlotte v Vallance, Walter Raynard and Gollan, Amy Euphemia 1900 - 1900
CAHX 3007 CH208 Box12 / D192/1900
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Hi Fifer,
Unfortunately the Christchurch Archives office is closed until furthur notice due to the earthquake,
Cheers Janette
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Why am I not surprised! Glad everyone got through it ok. ;)
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A lot of folk with shattered nerves,but no lives lost,buildings can be rebuilt
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Yes I've been watching/reading the thread. The storm must have been the last straw for some. :-\ Hopefully there's a lovely spring and summer for you all.
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Hi fifer,
As soon as Archives is up and running I will do your requests :)
Leandra
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Thanks Leandra - no rush. If I don't post them right away I forget (old age!) ;D :D
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Fifer1947... firstly hello...I happened upon this topic by chance while googling..I am the Great granddaughter of Edward Tapling Vallance...the son of Walter Raynard Vallance who had the interlude with Amy Euphemia Gollan.
I have copies of all the divorce documents from 1900 which have Amy as respondent...I also have a copy of a maintenence agreement from 1900 stating Amy was pregnant with Walters child and setting out conditions of support etc.
Walter and Ann Charlotte obviously had a tumultuous relationship..she too had a 'checkered' past it seems from reading between the lines..and apparently had a child before she travelled to NZ which she left with family. Walter stated he was 22 yrs old when he married..but he was 'illustrious' with the truth lol..his birth record from Faversham England shows him to have been only 17..18 at best!
Now...the divorce documents show Walter being served at a lawyers in Hereford street..Amy being served at an address in Gordon St (Linwood) which is no longer in existance but research showed there as once being a welfare type home for unwed mothers (?) ...I would love to know if that child was born and what happened to it..it definitely wasnt Edward Tapling as he was born in 1889 and was aged 11yrs at the time of the divorce...
The affadavit states the affair took place at 207 St Asaph street..(on research this seems to have been a boarding house of type..Edward Tapling also spent time living with his father here according to old school records) between June 1899 and October 1900 and neither Walter nor Amy attended the court proceedings.
I know the above may seem jumbled as I have a mass of documents and it got more tangled the more i found out lol!
Edward is stated as being adopted...im not sure where he fits (maybe a child from another 'interlude'?) but we were always told he was 'brought home' to her to raise..and she left her estate to him on her death in 1932..he was always referred to as the 'bastard' son and Walter (Ann and Walter Raynards natural son) doesnt seem to have been considered in will at all..no mention so thinking there must have been fallout in family.
His middle name is unusual 'Tapling' ..but it is a surname that was in the area they lived in at the time..which my gut tells me is where the name originates...his birthright incorporated in his name perhaps?
As for Amy and Walter Raynards child...it seems to be a mystery as she moved on and married Mr Greaves the next year.
Walter Raynard died a drunk..of 'apoplexy' in an outhouse after a night on the turps..in 1904..oddly Ann Charlotte was buried above him in Sydenham Cemetary despite their divorce..which incidentally was completely unknown to anyone within the family until I started digging round 10 yrs ago finding the documents in archway lol..the secrets they kept!
I do have contact with some on the Gollan side who are doing their own research if you would like to know more.
Re the Industrial School..I recall Graeme Gollan saying he had sighted the documents re this and she was bonded on release from memory back to service at a St Asaph st address
..Hope some of above of interest
Nicci
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An update for all interested... I have sourced my great grandfathers adoption file and his birth mother was an annie taplin a young girl from the north island who was living with family in christchurch and had the dalliance with my rogue of a great great grandfather (walter raynard) ..and yes my great great grandmother adopted him ..pretty amazing lady.
I have today solved the mystery of Amy Gollan and the missing child mentioned in the divorce documents in 1900..maintenence agreement etc..There is an admission in the CHCH refuge records, 27 Sep 1900 for Amy GOLLON; she had a miscarriage 14 Oct 1900 ...so seems said child wasnt born..mystery solved
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Great to have the puzzle finally solved ;D
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This Alexander Gollan is in my tree. He is quoted as marrying Beatrice Jessie Maud Hill in 1891. There is a marriage in govt records for this union. However a daughter of Beatrice named Agnes Annie was registered as surname Gollan, father not registered, which is curious. However that is how I am connected to the tree, as Annie married into my Young family of the Westport, New Zealand area. Alexander and Beatrice do not appear to have had any more children. So I guess that's your answer, they are the same Alexander Gollan.
With the help of you Rootschat people I have now verified all the data I had previously, given verbally by a Gollan descendant. I also have thanks to you all a lot of good provenance for the records.
4. Was it the same Alexander Gollan (father William mother Euphemia (Gunn) Gollan) who married Beatrice Jessie Maud Hill in 1891?
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hi there
i have just started delving into my family history. I am the great grand daughter of Walter john thomas Vallance. I am looking to find more information about my great great grand father Walter Raynard Vallance, your above information is extremely useful thankyou!