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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Wicklow => Topic started by: Shellspacebabe on Monday 16 August 10 13:29 BST (UK)
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I recently received the Death Certificate for my great x 3 grandfather William Colles Moore he was the Rector of Carnew and died on 27th July 1866 at 1 Gulistan Terrace, Upper Mount Pleasant Avenue which I am assuming is in Dublin the informant is a Hickman Rose Halahan next to her name is this CLK. A.M. does anyone know what that means? I dont think she is a relative
Also what chances do I have of securing a birth certifcate for William who would have been born 1808 in County Wexford, he isnt Roman Catholic are there birth records available? if so could someone please point me in the right direction
Thanks to all
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I recently received the Death Certificate for my great x 3 grandfather William Colles Moore he was the Rector of Carnew and died on 27th July 1866 at 1 Gulistan Terrace, Upper Mount Pleasant Avenue which I am assuming is in Dublin the informant is a Hickman Rose Halahan next to her name is this CLK. A.M. does anyone know what that means? I dont think she is a relative
Also what chances do I have of securing a birth certifcate for William who would have been born 1808 in County Wexford, he isnt Roman Catholic are there birth records available? if so could someone please point me in the right direction
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Gulistan Terrace is between Ranelagh and Rathmines in the southern suburbs of Dublin, and located just south of the Grand Canal.
Birth certs are only available from the start of Civil Registration in 1864, for earlier births you need to check for parish baptism records. To do this you will need to establish the family religion and which parish they lived in in Co. Wexford.
Dont know if this is related - but I believe I've seen A.M. used after the names of CofI minsters - dont know what it stands for though..
Shane
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thanks Shane
It looks like the parish batism records is the route forward, does this require a visit in person or are any of these available on line?
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It would be a bit difficult to search records in registers without knowing the parish - quite a few in County Wexford. (I believe your earlier post also mentioned Wicklow as a possibility).
Was the family Church of Ireland ?
Church of Ireland records are in the Representative Church Body Library in Rathfarnham, Co. Dublin. Note that not all records survive.
Some Co. Wicklow CofI baptisms are available on a pay-website at www.irish-roots.ie - but note they do not have marriages at the moment, or any records for Co. Wexford.
Shane
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thats a start I will have a look maybe I will find something for my 2 x great grandmother born county wicklow
thanks
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I have just registered on the irish roots site and what worries me is I tried searching for Annie Moore born 1851 Wicklow and nothing came up so I put in her marriage details (I have the certificate) she married in Dublin - nothing came up?
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mmmmm quite frustrating it seems its quite hard to do anything on line when it comes to Irish roots etc, maybe I would be better contacting the church where my 3 x greatgrandfather was Rector, I did try contacting the Carnew Historical Society but heard nothing back ???
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I have just registered on the irish roots site and what worries me is I tried searching for Annie Moore born 1851 Wicklow and nothing came up so I put in her marriage details (I have the certificate) she married in Dublin - nothing came up?
Where exactly did Annie marry ?
The Irish Roots website does not include Dublin City - just some parts of county Dublin.
Shane
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I checked back to the earlier post for details of Annie's 1874 marriage - and it was in a registry office, so will not be included in any of the parish record websites - unless they also had a church marriage.
Shane
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ok thanks Shane its quite frustrating but I suppose you cant do all your research on line! I may after all have to consider coming over to Ireland but I wanted to make sure I knew what I was doing beforehand, thanks for all your help
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do you know when and where William Colles Moore died ? (I think we discussed this before in an earlier thread - but wondering if you have a cert..)
Sometimes an obituary or newspaper death notice can give some additional details that might help.
Shane
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hello yes I have the certificate he died Dublin South county of Dublin at 1 Gulistan Terrace, Upper Mount Pleasant Avenue on 27th July 1866 aged 58
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I'll see if I can find anything..
Will get back to you.
Shane
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Thank you Shane, much appreciated :)
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I was not able to find very much found on William's death unfortunately - just a single, very sparse death notice dated 1st Aug 1866 in Freeman's Journal, stating the date of his death, his name and the fact that he was Rector of Carnew, Co. Wicklow. No mention that I could see in the Times.
I'll send a scan of the article to you later on.
Shane
(update: p.m. sent)
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Shane
There is an entry for William Colles Moore in Leslie's Ferns Clergy and Parishes as follows:
"He was the son of Rev Thomas Ottiwell Moore M. (see Horetown), was born in Co Wexford, ed. by Mr McKenna, ent TCD Oct 14th 1822 aged 16, BA 1828, appears to have been curate to his father in Leskinfere in 1844. He married (ML 16 May 18340 Mary Jane Boyce. Carnew Par. Reg records the baptism of 2 of their children viz William Nassau bap Sept 29 1850 and Thomas Ottiwell Ernest bap Apr 29 1955. A Tablet in Carnew church to his memory is inscribed;
2 Sacred to the Memory of Revd. William Colles Moore A.B. T.C.D who entered into his rest on the 27th day of July 1866, aged 60 years. He was rector of this parish for 19 years. a bold faithful preacher of the Gospel, unceasingly inculcating the Doctrine of the Cross, the Depravity of Man, The Godhead, The Incarnation and Atonement of Christ, Justification of Faith in Him only, the security of God's Elect and the Personality, Deity and the Operations of the Holy Ghost. This tablet is erected by his attached and sorrowing parishioners and friends who deeply feel that his removal is a severe loss, not only to the parish but also to the Church of Christ in Ireland in general and the interest of Protestanism in Ireland generally".
His wife Mary Jane Boyce is related to my husband's family. Her father was a John Boyce a wealthy merchant who lived in Carnew Castle
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Hello Chevreville
Thank you so much for this its a brilliant discovery for me!
So my 3 x Great grandfather married a Mary Jane Boyce and they had two sons, the marriage was in 1840 (William was aged 40 when they married), they had two sons born 1850 and 1855. My 2 x great grandmother was Annie Moore she married in 1874 in Dublin her father was by then deceased, she was 14 when William died so she was born in 1852. I would have thought perhaps some mention of her? William Colles Moore Revd is down as her father on the marriage cerficate so that is a new puzzle I am sure there cannot have been two Revd William Colles Moores? do you by any chance know anything of Annie Moore she was born in Country Wicklow
Michele
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Dear Michele
There is no mention of her in the Leslie book but it does not record all children generally. William Colles Moore was the rector in Carnew from 1847 until his death in 1866 so I suspect she was baptised there if you can get access to those records. Her father would still have been down as her father on her marriage cert even if she had died?
Annie's grandfather John Tandy Boyce was born in 1785 or 1786 and died on 7 July 1886 aged 101. He is buried in the graveyard in Carnew. He was a wealthy man, being a merchant in Andrew Street in Dublin and leaving about £80,000. His wife was Arabella Boyce and she too is buried in Carnew having died on 4 July 189 aged 95.
Regards
Jean
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Hello
I will keep my fingers crossed on the longevity front!
Thank you for all this information. I know Annie was born in County Wicklow around 1852, William Colles Moore, Clergyman is indeed on her marriage certificate (and as you say he would still appear as her parent even though deceased). At the time of Annie's marriage in Dublin 1874 she is living with her brother William N C Moore in Eglington Terrace (I believe that is the address on the certificate of marriage) and the census records for 1911 back this up. Thank you for your help in enlarging my family tree. I have considered a trip to Ireland at some point in the future to look at the parish records. It would seem that for some reason Annie unlike her two brothers was born in a neighbouring County. Also did her parents marry in 1834 or 1840 that is quite a big gap before William Nassau is born in 1850 but perhaps they had other children before that
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Michele
The book I have says that the marriage licence was granted in 1834. I don't know at this stage whether they had more children than I have mentioned in my mail. If i find anymore information I will let you know.
I have just come across another William Colles Moore reference on the DublinHeritage.ie - obviously not the same man but it would be odd if there is no connection.
Surname: Moore
First Name: William Colles
Address: Saint Matthew's Church
Irishtown Road
Dublin 4
Description: Lectern
Inscription: To the glory of God and in memory of William Colles Moore who for more than 40 years a devoted worker in this parish entered into rest Sunday April 25th. 1915. "Teach me O Lord the way of your statutes".
Location: Church
Reference No. BA11
Kind regards
Jean
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thank you Jean, yes I would have thought this must be a relative, possibly William Nassau Colles Moore who would have been Annie's brother, she was living with him and his family in Dublin in 1874 when she married, I also found him in the 1911 census living with his wife and son in Dublin. Most grateful for everything you have found to date
Regards
Michele
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Hi There,
My parents bought No 7 Herbert Road in 1955 and set up what is now called Sandymount Hotel. The hotel now comprises 8 interconnecting Victorian houses 3 - 17 (Odd Numbers). In the census of 1911 William Colles Moore lived in No. 5 Herbert Road.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Pembroke_East/Herbert_Road/50162/
Regards
John Loughran
www.sandymounthotel.com
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Hello everyone on this thread, which I have read with great interest. According to family tradition one of my Boyce ancestors was The Lord Mayor if Dublin. This can only be Joseph Boyce, who was The Lord Mayor in 1855. He had a brother John Tandy Boyce, who is the same one mentioned in this thread. I was not aware he had a daughter Mary Jane Boyce. Can you give me more info on Mary ?
Thanks so much
Dave Pratt
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found this on another site through Googling
Hickman Rose Halahan born Dublin 1798 SON of John Halahan and Mary Handy.
Calendar of wills and administrations Ireland Shows 19th March 1888
Letters of administration with the will annexed of the personal estate of the Rev Hickman Rose Halahan late of Guilstan ,Rathmines co Dublin a clerk who died 26 Feb 1888 at same place were granted to Mary Dowse wife of Richard H Dowse of Guilstan the residuary legatee. Civil death says age 89.
lots of other Halahan wills on there as well.
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as far as i can make out going through the wills Mary Dowse maiden name Halahan/Hanan
also a John R Dowse beneficiary in John Boyce will 1886.
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I googled Thomas Ottiwell Moore got links to the peerage ,marriages for his children,Muskerry etc.
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John Dowsey married Elizabeth Tandy Boyce in 1854. Elizabeth was the daughter of John Tandy Boyce. On the peerage website, Mary Jane Boyce is listed as marrying a William Colles Moore, but her father is William, not John, Boyce.
Thanks
Dave