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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => London and Middlesex => Topic started by: Bluebutterflier on Wednesday 18 August 10 10:58 BST (UK)
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Hi Everyone,
Im investigating my Fathers side of the family now....
'George "Digger" Stanley' was my Great Great Uncle...Theres a bit about him on the net, but mostly his boxing career...
Like his birth and death date: 28 February 1876 – 7 March 1919
Born: Kingston-upon-Thames, Surrey, England.
I recall as a child being told stories about him from my great Aunts and my Nan.
Now this is where Im stuck....
My connection is as follows:
Great Grandmother/father Aida Stanley (nee Lane) and husband Bert Stanley had 13 kids...
One of their children Sylvie Stanley is my Nan....Her son Buster is my father. (Im Karla).
Now im lost, cos Im sure either Digger Stanley was my ggrandfathers father or uncle or even brother?....
I have attached a picture of my Great Grandfather Bert...(died 28th March 1961 aged 57) and his gravestone in which my great grandmother (fat mum) Aida Stanley is also buried. (died 7th march 1993 aged 88)
Both were Romany Gypsy decent, like all the rest in the family.
Any help would be appreciated.
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And so the search begins...
Looks like he was my Great Great Great Uncle...
The information I found so far...
George Digger Stanley and Annetta Chesterman were married in 1902 in London.
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OK im trying to figure this all out....
Parents: George Stanley & wife?
Had children: George 'Digger' Stanley, Daylia Rebecca Stanley, Sarah Stanley, Frederick.
I think Daylia was my great great great grandmother...
I also found out this:
George 'Digger' Stanley had a wife called 'Cinderella' Stanley and they had 3 daughters:
Daylia, Sarah, Rebecca.
As seen in chart below...
George 'Digger' Stanley
Mitcham Common Tent Mitcham, Surrey,
George STANLEY Head 34 Hawker Kingston, Surrey
Cinderella STANLEY Wife 33 Gipsy Hill, Surrey
Daylia STANLEY Daughter 8 Hadlow, Kent
Sarah STANLEY Daughter 5 Norwood, Surrey
Rebecca STANLEY Daughter 1 Mitcham, Surrey,
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Hi
George Stanley was aged 20 on his marriage at St Clement Nottinghill Kensington on 25th December 1902, a bachelor and a labourer of 133 St Ann's Road. His father was George Stanley a labourer. Annette Elizabeth Chesterman was aged 19, a spinster. Her occupation was waiter and her address 55 Stoneleigh Street. Her father was James Chesterman, a coachman.
George signed the register making his mark. The witnesses were Arthur Chesterman and Elizabeth Vincent.
The Stanley couple had a daughter baptised at All Saints Nottinghill on 3rd January 1904 Norah Elizabeth. Father's occupation on this baptism was athlete. The address was 28 Clifton Gardens.
1891 census RG12 52 folio 107
15A Marinefield Road Fulham
George Stanley 54 Head Married Itinerant Tinker Kingston Surrey
Cinderella Stanley 48 Wife Married Norwood Surrey
Dahlia Rose 21 Daughter Married Hadlow Kent
Sarah Stanley 16 Daughter Ginger Beer Bottler Norwood Surrey
Rebecca Stanley 11 Daughter Mitcham Surrey
George Stanley 10 Son Kingston Surrey
Edward Stanley 5 Son Woodford Essex
William Rose 38 Son-in-law Married Gas Stoker Fulham London
Jasper Rose 9/12 Grandson Fulham London
Can't see the family on the 1901 census but there is this entry. It might be Cinderalla with the wrong age and her Rose grandchildren??
1901 census RG12 43 folio 130
14 Hunt Street Hammersmith
Cinderella Standley 40 Head Married Flower Seller Battersea London
Jesper Standley 11 Son Fulham London
William Standley 8 Son Fulham London
Jenny Standley 6 Daughter Fulham London
Beckie Standley 2 Son Fulham London
Because of copyright reasons searches on the 1911 census cannot be offered on Rootschat. You will have to search that census yourself.
http://www.1911census.co.uk/
The free search facility shows George and Annette somewhere in the Brentford area with Cinderella and two children George and Daisy.
Births Mar 1904 STANLEY Norah Elizabeth Fulham 1a 235
Deaths Mar 1905 Stanley Norah Elizabeth 1 Brentford 3a 40
Births Dec 1906 Stanley George Albert V Fulham 1a 321
Births Sep 1909 STANLEY Daisy Kathleen Fulham 1a 287
Deaths Sep 1913 Stanley Cinderella 61 Fulham 1a 231
1871 census RG10 853 folio 28
Marefleets Rents Mitcham Surrey
George Stanley 21 Head Married Chair bottomer Kingston Surrey
Cinderella Stanley 20 Wife Married Battersea Surrey
Frederick Stanley 9 months Mitcham Surrey
Marriages Dec 1875
COOPER Cinderella Croydon 2a 417
STANLEY George Croydon 2a 417
Their marriage certificate will give you information on their fathers. Though this might be George's family.
1861 census RG9 373 folio 22
Gypsies, Caravans and Tents, Palmers Field Wandsworth
Dever? Stanley 38 Head Married Basket maker Putney Surrey
Naomi Stanley 34 Wife Married Basket maker's wife High Wycombe Bucks
Moses Stanley 18 Son Basket maker Southwark Surrey
John Stanley 15 Son Basket maker Hadley Kent
George Stanley 12 Son Basket Maker Kingston Surrey
Sarah Stanley 9 Daughter Southwark Surrey
Rebecca Stanley 7 Daughter Clapham Surrey
John Dever Stanley 1 Son Norwood Surrey
William Stanley 9 Months Norwood Surrey
11th March 1849 All Saints, Kingston Upon Thames born 16th November 1848
George Stanley parents Diveris? and Naomi, Kingston, father's occupation basket maker
1851 census HO107 1563 folio 237
83 Ann Street St George Southwark
Diver Stanley 20 or 29? Head Married Basket maker Putney Surrey
Neomi Stanley 22 Wife Married High Wickham Bucks
Sophia Stanley 9 Daughter Hastings Sussex
John Stanley 4 Son Hadlaw Kent
George Stanley 2 Son Kingston Surrey
27th February 1820 St Mary, Putney
Divrus Stanley parents Peter and Rebecca, Putney, father's occupation basket maker
The Travelling People board on Rootschat has some very knowledgeable Rootschatters who specialise in Romany families.
If you would like me to move your post to that board I can do that if you would like me to.
Regards
Valda
co-moderator London and Middlesex
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hi,
digger stanley is my grt grt grandfather, i've been trying to find out info about him for some time now for my nan but havent got very far, please could you help with this as you seem to know abit more than i do thanks
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GRAND-DAUGHTER OF GEORGE "DIGGER" STANLEY. Hi my maiden name was Kay Stanley (now Horsnell). my Mother was Violet Linda Stanley (nee Godleman) and my Father was John Henry Stanley who also had the nickname of "Digger" was THE SON of George "Digger" Stanley and Alice (nee Davis). I have a half sister (same father) name Patricia (whose grandmother to becca56). My dad had a sister known as Biddy (I think her real name was Ada) and a half brother (same Mother) named Fred (shortened I think). I remember my Aunt Ada when I was small always wearing black. She had a stall in Portobello Road W11. She lived in Lancaster Road as did we, but at opposite ends. We moved to Portobello Road when I was 11 (I'm now 54). I remember her son Black Harry and also my dad's cousin Sylvie Stanley. If I remember right her daughter and I went to the same school Avondale Road Primary School or Holland Park Comprehensive (she was either a year older or younger than me). My dad also went to Avondale school but in his day it had a different name. I am at present researching my family tree and alot of what's written is conflicting but will get to the bottom of it eventually.
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GRAND-DAUGHTER OF GEORGE "DIGGER" STANLEY. Hi my maiden name was Kay Stanley (now Horsnell). my Father was John Henry Stanley who also had the nickname of "Digger" was THE SON of George "Digger" Stanley and Alice (nee Davis). My dad had a sister known as Biddy (I think her real name was Ada) and a half brother (same Mother) named Fred (shortened I think). I remember my Aunt Ada when I was small always wearing black. She had a stall in Portobello Road W11. She lived in Lancaster Road as did we, but at opposite ends. We moved to Portobello Road when I was 11 (I'm now 54). I remember her son Black Harry and also my dad's cousin Sylvie Stanley. If I remember right her daughter and I went to the same school Avondale Road Primary School or Holland Park Comprehensive (she was either a year older or younger than me). My dad also went to Avondale school but in his day it had a different name. I am at present researching my family tree and alot of what's written is conflicting but will get to the bottom of it eventually. ???
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Hi
I have a Henry stanley in my tree married a counsey known as alice Gladwin her parents are Harriet cooper and George gladwin who lived on mitcham common... So would anyone know about Henry? Is he related to Digger?
jew
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He Jew, sorry not at the moment but I have only been digging records for one week. If I do come accross him I'll leave a message, regards
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Hi
ok thanks good luck
jew
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hi there babes digger stanley is my great great grandad i think or great great great grandad he's defo one of them my nan is lillyana stanley is anyone on facebook x
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hi all my gran is lillana stanley im trying to fined all my family.. george digger stanley was my great great great grandad so if you think you maybe my family please let me know ..its so funny caus i live in nobury not far from croydon and mitcham in surrey i was real shocked 2 fined out that a lot of the family wear from around this way so please get in contact as i would love to meet you :)
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Hi, I haven't come accross a Lilliana as one of my Grandfather's sisters. Are you able to find out anyone elses name within your family that were born say between 1870 and 1917 as thats when his children were born or whether Lilliana was a wife of a brother. I was contacted a short time back and have been in contact with my Grandfather's eldest son (also a George) via his great grandson's new wife. I have gone back as far as about 1800 in the family. My family tree is on Ancestry.com. If you want to speak to me then please let me have your email or phone number.
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Hi
Please could you use the personal messaging system for sending any information such as email addresses or phone numbers.
http://www.rootschat.com/help/pms.php
Regards
Valda
co-moderator London and Middlesex
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Hi Valda, can you please let me know how I go about finding the personal messaging system as I have no idea. Regards
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Hi
The instructions are in the link I gave.
By clicking on the members's name:
Members' names, anywhere on the forum boards, are nearly always linked to their profiles.
At the bottom of the profile, you will see a link: Send this RootsChatter a personal message.
Click on the link, and write your PM.
Regards
Valda
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hi there boxer it could be another great added on to the great great great granfather one of my family member's who's my second cousin is diggers double my gran has a lot of brothers and sisters i know theres an Albert Clifford Linda carol billy Tommy and theres more but I'm not quite sure who they are i know there is a lot of them maybe 9 i think they called my nans mum nanny pops I'm not sure what her name was but i will fined out i dint know how to send this on privet ca us i would love to talk to you so if you know how please let me know have a lovely day ;D
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Hi, Digger was my Great, Great Uncle. I am looking for any info also, confused on the wifes name there seems to be another woman mentioned in the chat site other than Cinderella, but my family states there was a Cinderella... I don't have a lot of info but my sister does as she is very active in the investigation. I beleive that Digger was my grandfathers uncle and my grandfather was Jim (james horatio stanley) married to Sophia Rosetta (nee saunders). Born at the turn of the century 1890-1899. Im am very new to this site could you tell me how to research a little better? Thank you I will post anything I can.
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Can anyone tell me who Digger's mother was? and for sure his fathers name was George? Some posts are stating that his father was Diveris or Diver? but there is no name for the wife. I thought George was Diggers father and Diggers real name. Thank you. Digger was my Grandfathers uncle, and my Grandfathers name was James Horatio Stanley, he was born in the late 1890's and was also Romany Gypsy decent. Does anyone have any Saunders relations to the Stanleys as I know they were intertwined all through
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Hi Valda. I've read your post about Digger and all the census info which is very informative, however all the ages are wrong.. is that normal. If Cinderella was 61 when she died she couldn't have been on the census at 68 right? Im new to this so I appologize but just trying to get a jist of it all. Could you advise, where else I might be able to search online for free?
Thank you.
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Hi sassi
The specialist Rootschatters on this subject are on the Rootschat Travelling People board
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/board,387.0.html
You might want to ask more specific questions on that board and also read up on some of the information from previous posts found there which might be of help.
Regards
Valda
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Hi, my Single name was Stanley, my father was John Henry Stanley born 1917 whose parents were George Stanley "Digger" and his mother was Alice Davis (she was previously married and her married name was Rackham). My grandfather "Digger" parents were George and Cinderella. Digger's wife was Annetta (Annette) Chesterman. Digger lived/died whilst living with my grandmother of TB March 1919. If I can be of any help, please get in touch
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Can anyone tell me who Digger's mother was? and for sure his fathers name was George? Some posts are stating that his father was Diveris or Diver? but there is no name for the wife. I thought George was Diggers father and Diggers real name. Thank you. Digger was my Grandfathers uncle, and my Grandfathers name was James Horatio Stanley, he was born in the late 1890's and was also Romany Gypsy decent. Does anyone have any Saunders relations to the Stanleys as I know they were intertwined all through
Hi Sassi,
One of my uncles was James Horatio Stanley, I do have quite a bit of information on the family bother before and after his generation, please get in touch if you would think I may be able to help.
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HI,
George is a relative somewhere along my tree. I am not quite sure where he fits in at the moment. I have only just been informed about him.
He is related to my 3rd great grandfather William who was born in 1793 and sent to Australia as a convict for stealing a horse.
Any info would be appreciated.
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Heyaa i'm related to digger on my dad's side, he was my grandads uncle! I'm shocked about how many family members I don't know about and how big my family is! Would be nice to get in contact to find out more! :-)
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Hi I'm also related to digger Stanley. Would be great to hear from other family members
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Victoriak,
You need to remove your email address from your post before a moderator removes it. Email addresses are not permitted because the moderators don't want you to get loads of spam emails hun.
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Oops! I didn't even think of that!! Silly me... Thankyou x
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Hello, i was told years ago by my Great Grandad Sam Hoadley that my Great Great Uncle was Digger Stanley the boxer and i'm just trying to trace him back and came across this and wondered if you could help? Thank you
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george fathered two children with lydia huxley. they were ada elisabeth huxley 1906 and betsy elizabeth huxley 1909 they were never married. lydia married a king in 1912 and died 1967. the daughters were elizabeth ward when married died 1984 and betsy who married george read 1931, betsy b 1909 remarried a second time to george rouse 1938 and died" betsy" rouse in 1949 in chiswick. my cousin is wendy d read b 1933 to betsy read chiswick
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Hi
Digger was my Great Grandfather on my mother’s side. My Grandmother was Daisy Kathleen Stanley, Diggers daughter. I would like to contact any other relatives of Diggers. Thanks
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He Jew, sorry not at the moment but I have only been digging records for one week. If I do come accross him I'll leave a message, regards
Hi Boxer
Digger was my Great Grandfather on my mother’s side. My Grandmother was Diggers daughter, Daisy Kathleen Stanley.
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Hey,
I was told by my Granddad today that we are distantly related to the boxer Digger Stanley, my Great Great Grandmother was apparently related to him. Her name was Mabel Lamb, Smith was her maiden name. Her Husband was Riley Lamb - I wondered if anyone on this thread know those names and how they were related? Thanks!
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Yet another Digger Stanley descendant question. Is anyone is aware of another child of Dahlia/Daylia Stanley? I am trying to determine if my great grandmother, Sarah Elizabeth Burrows, is Digger's granddaughter. She was "Gypsy" (didn't use the word Roma), and may have been born around 1887-1890, possibly in Ponytpool, Monmouthshire, Wales.
I've read through the posts on this topic, and don't see this question. My apologies if I just overlooked something. Sarah Elizabeth was:
• Documented to have lived in the Coed e Gric aka Griffithstown poorhouse (in 1911 and 1939).
• Documented to have died there in 1953.
• DNA appears to indicate a relationship with Stanleys, and Coopers.
• DNA appears to indicate a Berrows/Burrows, Matthews/Mathews, Couzens, Parsons relationship.
• There is only person, Allen Burrows, who I can find as a bridge between those families.
• Per electoral registers, Allen Burrows lived together with Dahlia/Daylia Stanley after her children with William Rose were born.
• However, Sarah Elizabeth was born before Dahlia’s children with William Rose.
• And, depending on the actual birth year, Dahlia may have been pretty young to have children when Sarah Elizabeth was born.
Thoughts? Insights? I’ve gotten to the proverbial brick wall!
I'm posting a similar question to this in the Roma board as well – I hope that isn't violating any rules.
Best,
Jan
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Wa searching and come across this i have a photo of digger and his manager with his belt.
My dads nan was goggy stanley who seemed to be quite popular within the stanley family. i used to see my dads aunt poker and shirley . My dads aunt nell would tell alot of stories on digger etc very nice to see things about him online .