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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Yorkshire (West Riding) => Topic started by: little h on Thursday 19 August 10 01:05 BST (UK)
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my gt gt... grandparents elizabeth ann (nee brewitt) & charles neale were living at 48 king st kimberworth in 1881 & 1891, on the 1901 cencus they were at 48 king st masbrough, am i correct in thinking this is the same address, also where would they most likely have been buried. elizabeth i believe died 17 dec 1924 & charles 24 jan 1922.
thanx little h
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Kimberworth and Masbro sort of roll into each other so it's probably the same address. They are buried at Masbrough Cemetery
Charles - 27 Jan 1922 - 74 years - 48 King St - son of Charles and Mary
Elizabeth Ann - 20 Dec 1924 - 75 years - 48 King Street
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thankyou so much, that has helped me along my way
little h
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Not very relevant to your research, but, as a child, I spent much time with my grandmother Andrews at 36 King Street, Masborough. At that time [1950s], there was a Mrs Neale living next door (I suppose that would have been Number 38). Any relation?
Just for the record, many of my Andrews family were buried at Kimberworth Cemetery
Malcolm
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hi, not come across 38 king st as yet but it does seem a coincidence, have only just started this line of the tree & am finding it hard as i have no way of getting to rotherham. do either of you live near masbrough cemetery, could you see if there are any headstones for me
little h
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Sorry. I haven't been to Rotherham for years and no immediate plans to visit
Malcolm
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thanx
little h
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Hi
if you look in the Rotherham Family History Society website, they can supply lists of graves in Masborough and Kimberworth. These could help you to pinpoint a particular grave. Alternatively you can contact the cemeteries department at Herringthorpe Crematorium in Rotherham who may provide you with location details. If you can find this info, we will gladly search for headstones for you.
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Hi little h
I'm always snooping round the graveyards of Rotherham as most of my family are from there. Masbro' cemetery is HUGE Kimberworth is tiny (and very over-grown last time I visited) and though I've been round most of the graveyards looking for my own ancestors, I didn't find many of them, though I know they're buried there. What do you need to know, I'm happy to do look-ups next time I go to the records office. Rotherham Family History society have a wealth of information on CD (very reasonably priced)
Helen
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I found the 1851 census (Kirk Smeaton, Pontefract) for:
Charles Neal (c.1811) born Bow, Middlesex
Mary (c.1811) Wood Bridge, Suffolk
Sarah Ann (c.1839) Kirk Smeaton
Henry (Bridsy?) (c.1841) Kirk Smeaton
Thomas (c.1844) Kirk Smeaton
Frederick (c.1846) Kirk Smeaton
Charles (c.1848) Kirk Smeaton (probably your gggrandfather)
Alice Mary (c.1850) Kirk Smeaton
and also in 1851 (Gringley, Notts)
Charles Brewitt (c.1820) Gringley
Mary (c1824) Gringley
Elizabeth Ann (c.1849) Gringley
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thanx for your help, have rang the cemeteries office, they are getting back to mewith grave numbers
little h
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Hi little h
had a ride to the cemeteries office today and found out the following:
Grave number is T138/2 which contains
Charles Neale b1848 Yorkshire - d 1922 - cause of death bronchitis - occupation joiner- parents Charles and Mary Neale - burial number 9952
Elizabeth Ann Neale nee Brewitt b1849 Gringley on the Hill - d 1924 - cause of death bronchitis - burial number 10742 (away in Goole)
Also buried there is
Ernest Neale b1881 - d 25/9/1954 - buried on 29th - was OAP - burial number 17973
Rhoda Neale b1883 - d 31/1/1961 - buried 4th Feb - widow aged 78 - burial number 19112.
Then visited cemetery which is very old and could not find a headstone, but took photographs around area T shown on the attached map provided by the cemeteries office. Having trouble attaching photos due to file size but will work at it and send them later.
Hope that this helps your search
AJ
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Further photos attached
AJ
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Last of photos attached
AJ
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you are a star, cant believe you have found all that out, pity no headstone but i cant have everything, wonder who she was visiting in Goole ? i live in Goole so will be making enquires tomorrow.
thankyou so much
little h
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hi little h
what a coincidence I was born
in Carlton but my Dad's family where from Rawcliffe and later Snaith. Still have family in Snaith.
AJ
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hi little h
really got interested in your search. Have you looked into 1911 census? If not may have a little more info for you.
AJ
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hi
youve got my full attention, iv not got 1911 cencus for Charles & Elizabeth Ann but have it for their daughter Mary Florence & her husband Charles Simpson ( my gt grandparents) they were in Leeds.
unfortunately money is always needed else where & buying cencus records is not usually at the top of the needs list so getting extra info is always welcome, thanx
little h
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Hi little h
In 1891 Ernest is living in St Johns Kimberworth with Rhona.In1901 they are in St Johns Masbro 'Her maiden name was Hutton Parents Thomas, born Doncaster and Elizabeth. Rhoda had a brother William b 1885.
In 1911Charles Neale was a house joiner born Kirk Smeaton .Elizabeth was wife aged 62 born Grindley on the hill .Also in the house was Edith Benson married daughter aged 35 born Masbro. Edmund Neale son aged 12 born Masbro. Elizabeth Neale daughter single aged 20 Domestic servant born Masbro. All living at 48 King street Masbro
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thanx so much for that, didnt know who Edith had married, also i thought Edmund had died !! cant believe how long the family lived at 48 king st, practically all their married life, most of my ancestors were at different addresses on each cencus.
thanx again your a star
little h
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Ps if you ever need anything looking up in Goole just yell
little h
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Hi Little h,
Thanks for offer of help but we did my side of the family early on. Spent quite a few hours at the archives in Goole. They didnt move far so it was pretty easy to find out all about them. The names we researched were Naylor , Thornton and Hepworth. If we decide to pick it up again we will be in touch If you need any thing else looking into let us know. bye for now
JC
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RE ALBERTJAMES
Hello there , sorry to muscle in on someone elses page but i noticed you mention you quite often take a trip around the cemetery at Masbrough only i have a grave i wouldnt mind being checked out ?????
I will give you the details anyway its William Thomas Fairbanks York and Lancs reg plot number C3'c' 152 died 31.8.1918 age 30 and the other one is Alberta Chapman died 1943 nee Wiles - parents Ralph Wiles and Mary Hannah who all died around the same time [/font]:)
Thanks Bellababy
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Hi bellababy,
just read your message about W T Fairbanks .Firstly were they all buried in Masborough
I will go along to the records office first, I should be able to find dates, plot numbers even causes of death.I'll then go and find them and take photoes if possible.
happy to help A.J.
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Morning AJ
Ahh thank you so much - W T Fairbanks 100% sure of the cemetery - Alberta Chapman was Wiles died Sept q 1943 (95% sure) and a long shot with Mary Hannah H Wiles died June q 1938 and Ralph Wiles died Dec q 1939 - although they all lived close by . I am going to contact a relative who may have more information . Hope this helps you for now . :)
Bellababy
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Hi bellababy
found out a little more info for you. I went to the cemetry office and went through their tomes, enormous books that record all deaths in this area. I found w.t.Fairbanks, he did die on 31-8-1918.He was buried 5-9-1918.He died of pneumonia in Northern General Hospital Sheffield.His father was Arthur, a miner, mother was Eliza.
Mary Hannah? Wiles died 5-6-1938 aged 72 Grave number
LL92 She lived at 11 Holland Street. Will find out if it is still around.
Could,nt find Alberta Chapman or Ralph Wiles in Masborough.Only four Wiles on register none Ralph.
Some one from the office will meet me at Cemetry and show me where the graves are.Ill take some photoes and send to you.I havent given up looking yet.
Where abouts in the world are you? whats your connection with Rotherham?
Bye for now A.J.
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In answer to your question AJ im in the North East but my Gran (alberta Wiles / Chapman) was from Rotherham and the other Wiles are Albertas parent s . W Fairbanks was her brother - in law.
In conversations there has been mention of Boston Cemetery - is that close by ??
I wonder if the other Wiles you mention are any of the other family members i have found ?? Will get back to you as soon as i have found more out . I did know about Holland Street but i dont think its there anymore there was also mention of Chemist Lane .
Cheers and thank you for now
Bellababy
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Hi,
Boston Cemetery may be Moorgate Cemetery which is next to Boston Park in Rotherham.
I think Chemist Lane was in the Thornhill area of Rotherham. There used to be an Old Holland Place near by although I'm guessing Holland Street is probably a different place.
Craig
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Thanks for that one Craig - every little bit of info helps and now you have mentioned the name moorgate i do have a recollection of that name . Will look further into it.
Regards Bellababy
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AJ i found the death date for Ralph it was 26 November 1939 also at 11 Holland St.
Alberta was living at Castle Avenue which ive checked on an old map and looks to be close to Boston Park ???Awaiting more info
Regards Bellababy
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Hi Bellababy,
There is a Castle Avenue in existence today on the Canklow housing estate - Boston Park/Moorgate Cemetery overlooks this.
There is also a Boston Castle Grove which actually leads to the Cemetery.
I've spent hours and hours and hours in that Cemetery although unfortunately have no plans to return in the near future. If ever you get the opportunity to visit, I would recommend it - it is a fine example of a Victorian Cemetery. A few photos I've take are:-
http://picasaweb.google.com/c.mollekin/MoorgateCemeteryRotherham
http://picasaweb.google.com/c.mollekin/ViewFromBostonCastleRotherham
Photos of Masbrough Cemetery:-
http://picasaweb.google.com/c.mollekin/MasboroughCemetery
Best Wishes,
Craig
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Hi Bellababy
have found headstone for W T Fairbanks have photographs, but struggling to attach to this reply because of file size.
No headstone for M H Wiles, but located plot. Still searching other two burials
All for now
AJ
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Hello AJ - sorry i didnt get back to you sooner ive been away and just got your message - Great news about the finds still a little confused as to why M H Wiles was not buried with Ralph Wiles ????? They were husband and wife and died within a short time of each other ? How can we get round the problem of the file size of the pics ?? Is there anything i can do ?
Speak soon
Bellababy :)
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Hi Bellababy
Have not given up. I am going to local studies in Rotherham on Tuesday to see if I can find other two.
Will try somehow to reduce photos to a size which can be attached.
Will be in touch after Tuesday
AJ
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Just a suggestion....but....you could always exchange email addresses via PM and arrange to have the full size images sent that way.
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Hi Again
photos attached
AJ
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Thanks Craig
managed to attach as a PDF document.
What do you mean by PM?
Regards
AJ
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Hi AJ
Rapid response ! - got the pics thanks so much . Brings a tear to your eye when you actually see the headstones - another one died for our country - so young and leaving a young boy without his father.
Once again thanks for all your hard work i really do appreciate it and its helping my file come to life .
Regards Bellababy
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Thank you Craig for your input too
Regards Bellababy
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Hi Craig just spotted your link - not sure how i missed it - you have some great photos - i didnt appreciate how high up the cemetary is - quite a view from there . Will have to have a proper look through them all .
Bellababy
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Hi there,
'PM' means 'personal message' which enables you to contact other users off forum.
The views are great from the Cemetery. There is talk that Boston Castle (a folly) will be restored - that would enable even better views to be gained. I think during the Civil War, the view from the top of the hill gave advance warning for when soldiers where marching on Rotherham...or something like that. lol
Best Wishes,
Craig
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Hi Craig
thanks for the response about PM.
Just looked at your views from Boston Castle, we were ther last weekend looking at the same views.
Interesting to see the Rank Hovis mill photograph. My husband worked there for 29 years until it closed in 2008. It stopped producing flour in September and finally closed in December with the exception of a distribution warehouse which has since closed down.
Incidentially a Bob Mollekin worked in the engineering department at the mill some years ago. Any relation?
Pleased that the photographs from Masborough were well received by bellababy.
AJ
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Hi AJ,
It was a shame when the Rank Hovis site closed down. Despite there being milling in the town for hundreds of years, it seemed to close without much fuss from anybody or at least not much was featured in the local papers anyway (just a little piece in the Rotherham Advertiser). I was once told that the site in Rotherham was the only location in England capable of producing whole grain flour. But I guess you'll know all about this much better than I.
Yes, Bob is a third cousin. We have met once.
Best Wishes,
Craig
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Hi bellababy,
found both Ralph (d22.11.39) and Alberta (d12.7.43) in same grave as Mary Hannah. Ralph was a newsagent when he died aged 72 at No11 Holland Street. Alberta was living at 10 Chemist Lane and was 38 when she died. Occupation listed as wife.
Burial number for Ralph is 14715. burial number for alberta is 15618.
Also at 11 Holland street was Federick Geeson who died aged 52 on 29.139. He was also a newsagent.
Burial information can be found for most of England on the National Burial Index which can be accessed at most archives. not available on the internet.
If there is anything else that I can help you research, please let me know. I get a buzz from getting results.
Best wishes
AJ
If there is anything
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Hi,
A word of caution though - the NBI's coverage isn't very comprehensive but coverage can be checked. I believe the NBI data can be viewed on www.findmypast.com although a subscription would be required.
Best Wishes,
Craig
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Morning AJ
Thats some super finds there and its interesting to see Fred Geeson buried with his in-laws and they all have the same occupation . He was married to Charlotte Wiles and she married again after Freds death and as far as i am aware she had a hardware shop in Armworth ?? nr Doncaster. Charlottes sister Bertha also had a newsagents shop ? college road nr the pheonix pub opposite the railway station - i wonder if this has been the family business ?? and Bertha took over when her father died ?
Chemist lane was the address i have found on so many entries relating to the family. I tried to find where Chemist Lane was but unable to find it :(
I will check my file and see what loose ends i have for the Wiles and get back to you soon
Oh forgot to mention - did it have a cause of death for Alberta ( i had two different causes) ?
Thanks for your help AJ
Bellababy
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Hi,
Is your Chemist Lane in Rotherham? If that's the one, it's near Charlie Brown's Autocentre.
Just go to Google maps and type in Chemist Lane. Only one result, hope it's yours.
Rafter
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Glad to have been able to help you.
There is no cause of death on Alberta's records. Should be recorded on her death certificate.
In response to Rafters input about Chemist Lane. He is quite correct in saying that it is near Charlie Browns (which may no longer be there) and can be found on Google Maps. My husband remembers it well as it is in what used to be the Thornhill area of Rotherham where he lived until the houses were pulled down around 1958. Chemist lane is not a million miles away from the Phoenix pub so the locations all make sense.
Keep in touch
AJ
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Hi Rafter
Thanks for that - i must admit i did look previous but didnt see a street name on the map so automatically dismissed it - but obviously the houses are no longer there but at least i have the location now
Cheers Bellababy
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Hi AJ
You are so right about the areas after checking them on google maps. Been a bit busy of late so not had much chance of checking my file for loose ends but will get back to you asap . I know what you mean about getting a buzz out of a true find its quite addictive !
Do you have access to electoral rolls for the area to see when they first arrived in Rotherham ? In 1891 i have them living with in-laws in Greetland then by 1901 they are in 17 Holland Street if thats any help .
Regards
Bellababy
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Sarah
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my paternal grandparents lived in King Street and I have a number of details of other residents if anyone is interested.