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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Ayrshire => Topic started by: baz on Thursday 19 August 10 11:43 BST (UK)
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Hi, Does anyone have any photos of above that I can use?. I do have one which is attatched.
thank you.
baz.
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I always knew this as The Spying Scope. I don't think your spelling is correct!
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Hi,
The spelling is correct,I believe it was named after a battle or place from the boer war,my father in law had a friend who was brought up there,in fact I live a few hundred yards from where it was situated,
Regards Mikayla
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Sorry, you could be right, I was brought up in Ayr and was told it was the Spying Scope and got it's name from the style of tenement - it was easy to 'spy' on what was going on. Never thought of it having a 'proper' name to the address other than just King St.
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Any help:
'Spion Kop' (and other spellings) was an informal name bestowen on Craigmillar Buildings, King Street, Ayr, erected on from 1897 to provide 'healthy buildings for the working classes, at moderate rents'. [Information on Spion Kop and Craigmillar Buildings from Rob Close, The Street Names of Ayr, AANHS, Ayr, 2001.]
http://www.ayrshirehistory.org.uk/research_postings.htm
Gadget
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Sorry all for not replying, but just got back from holiday.
mikayla is correct.
No 10(arrowed), where I stayed. Spion Kop :- Informal name bestowed on Craigmillar Buildings, King Street, Ayr. Spion Kop was a hill near Ladysmith, South Africa, the site of a battle between the British and the Boers on 24 Jan 1900, from which the Boers emerged victorious. The name was very much in the news in early 1900, and became attached to these flats, for obscure reasons which may reflect the grim humour of life in Ayr’s poor northern suburbs.
Would still would be grateful for any more photos though.
baz.
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Hi Baz,
Did you know the Kiltie family who lived there, they are my close relations and I've been wanting for quite some time to talk to anyone who lived there, or knew this family, or the Garrity's ( next door neighbours)
Glencoe :) :) :)
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Hi Glencoe,
Sorry, I cant help you there, and as I was only 4 years old when I left the Kop, I was too young to remember anything, and any relations that would have known are no longer with us.
baz.
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Hi Baz,
Thanks for getting back to me, my relatives lived at 8 Craigmiller Buildings. If you find any more photos of the place could you please let me know.
Robert Kiltie WW 1 is named on the War Memorial in Wellington Square Ayr. Unfortunately his name is simply Kiltie R. could be Ronald, Reginald, Richard etc.
I only mention this "Lest We Forget"
Glencoe
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Hi Glencoe, I do know somebody who stayed there, and will ask her if she has any more info on your family. I will not see her untill about wednesday/friday. Will let you know.
baz.
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Hi Baz,
Can't tell you just how much I appreciate this, and this is also on behalf of my cousins, we are obviously no longer teenagers, and although I have completed our ancestry for Scotland, there are some things that would just be the icing on the cake, and talking to someone who knew of them would be it, and tell your friend I've learned to accept warts and all.
The other great thing would be finding where in Ireland they came from, but as this would mean going back to the late 1700's I doubt very much if I'm ever going to find out, though the search does go on! Die hard!
Many thanks again Baz, look forward to hearing from you.
Glencoe
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Hi glencoe, have spoken to lady, but she does not remember anybody called Kiltie, but thinks there was a Garrity, one of whom was called Mariah or Margaret who had a bad leg. She will try and find out more from one of here friends, and let me know next week, and I will pass it on to you.
baz.
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Hi Baz,
Much appreciate this, and the woman's name was Mariah, this family lived above my Grandmother!:-)
Glencoe
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Just this minute been told that the Kiltie's were related to a family called Cashman.
baz.
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Yes that's right, my aunt and uncle's surname is Cashman, do you know the family?
Glencoe
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I have heard of the Cashman's, but don't know them personally(if it is the same Cashman)
baz.
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Hi, Glencoe
Have just spoken to the women and they can't add anything more, but one of them will ask some more people she knows.
I did know a Jimmy Kiltie who stayed down the road from me(Low Road). He worked in the same pit as me(Killoch), and I think he was an ex-navy man. I don't think his wife was British, but that is all I know.
baz.
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Hi Baz,
Tell them not to go to any trouble over this, I was just curious as to how they knew about the connection. Jimmy was my grandmothers oldest brother, he was also a very keen golfer, his wife was Scottish Baz, I was just looking at his marriage certificate the other day, 1913, I was looking at the time for my Grandmothers marriage certificate to find out her address when she lived in King Street, 1915.
There were quite a number of Kiltie's lived in both King Street and Craigmiller Building, I found all this out while doing the family tree.
Glencoe
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different Jimmy Kiltie. The one I knew would have only have been born in the late 20's
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2 in living in the Low Road? must have a look at his son's names, I know his family did live with him, then they sold the house, not sure where they moved to, will get back to you.
Glencoe
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I don't koow if this is "Spion Kop" but I am looking for 55,King Street,Ayr, in 1916.I have had a look at Google maps now and it appears it could be the site of the Police Station.Can anyone who knows King Street,verify this for me?
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Hi wjmilne. The Spion Kop(Workmens Dwellings) was 55 King street. It was situated across the road from the police station.
baz.
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Thank you very much Baz. I do appreciate that news. Now does anyone remember James McQueen, Master Butcher, wife Margaret, and family who lived there between 1916 and 1918.A son Nelson was born there in 1916 and he was later killed in 1944 in Italy.In 1916, James, the father, was in the Army.
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I have just attempted to print the Forum picture of Spion Kop but failed. I now ask if anyone can Email me any copies to me at (*)
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On its way to you via email. I would remove your email address if I were you.
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Thank you again Baz. I have just copied it .Just a little information.Nelson was quite a poet and two of his action poems of his units were printed.
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Have sent you another email with photos from the War Graves commision about Nelson McQueen.
baz.
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Tremendous Baz. Thank you very much.
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More on the "Scope"
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and the last bit of report
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Do we have a date for this Press article Baz? I know they were demolished in 1957.
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I'm going back next week to library and may find out then, as these came from a folder that has to be looked up by librarian, and the date was not on them.
baz.
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The date published was 19th March 1954.
baz.
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Thank you Baz.
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hi All
I lived at Craigemiller buildings from 1950 until everybody moved out.approx 1556-57
Craigmiller buildings was across Lamond's wyne from the Scope yes we called it the scope as well
I lived at #12 which was along the landing from the Henry's and the garitys. the garitys lived above the Cashmans. next door to them was Mr Darimpole, who had a girlfriend who lived in the Scope.
I think her name was Mrs Green. Mr and Mrs Cashman had i think 6 kids the two i played with were Johnny and Arthur. along from them was Mrs Kerr she had two kids along from her was Mr and Mrs Mc Kracken Next door to them was Martha Cashman a sister to Mr Cashman Her son name was Ronnie dundas another playmate. OH next door to the Garitys was Mr and Mrs Berry they had 4 kids.
billy
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My great gran lizzie mcgill stayed at 56 king street, could anyone tell me if that was the scope? :)
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Hi Maisie
The spion kop was at the corner of king st. and Lamond's lane or Wynne as we called it.
opposite on king street was a playground. Diagonaly across was Lang's shop.
opposite the Scope as we called it on Lamond's Wynne was Craig miller buildings
where i lived until 1956
which backed on to Russell street school
looking on google map i cant find any numbers on king street at all
Billy
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We were amazed to find this thread as we've just discovered that hubby's father (Thomas Welsh) died at this place in May, 1913. He was only 44. It is recorded on the RCE, attached to his death record that he 'fell from a verandah to the ground.' His widow was pregnant with hubby's father at the time, and she, together with some of the children came to Australia between 1913 - the eldest son - and the widow and hubby's father in 1927, with another son joining them in 1929. It would be great to find out if any descendants of family members remain in Scotland. The family lived in 4 Blackhouse Road, Whitletts, Ayr. Any information at all would be appreciated. flownthenest
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Hi
I am new to this forum and have recently came across this post. I am tracing my family tree. My father was fostered from a young age and never knew his "blood" family. My dad died in 2009 and as a result I have decided to look into my family history.
I believe that my great, great grandmother lived in the Workman's Dwellings, Ayr in 1903 (according to a document I downloaded via Scotlands People).
My great, great grandfather Joseph Green (Sergeant in the Royal Scots Fusiliers) appears to be deceased in 1903).
My great, great grandmother Jessie Green (formerly Miller) lived here in 1903. I noticed that someone mentions a Mrs Green earlier. Could this be my relative?
They had a son Richard Green and he was a wood cutter.
Can someone shed any light on any of them?
Fingers crossed.
Thanks
Vic
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Hi
I have just came across a death certificate for Richard Green's wife, Mary Green (Robertson) and she appears to have died in 1916 at 59 Workmen's Dwellings, King Street Ayr. She died of TB at the age of 42.
It appears that her husband (my great grandfather), Richard Green served in Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders.
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Richard was part of the (No.10) 2nd/6th Battalion (Territorial Force) Battalion of Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders.
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my gt grandparents lived at 99 cross street and 99 king street 1900s did cross st get changed to king st.
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Spion Kop with Russell Street school in the background :)
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my gt grandparents lived at 99 cross street and 99 king street 1900s did cross st get changed to king st.
Cross Street was renamed King Street in 1904 or 1905
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Hi
I have just came across a death certificate for Richard Green's wife, Mary Green (Robertson) and she appears to have died in 1916 at 59 Workmen's Dwellings, King Street
Ayr. She died of TB at the age of 42.
It appears that her husband (my great grandfather), Richard Green served in Argyll & Sutherland
Highlanders.
I see they also had a daughter Jessie Millar Green born 1906.
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Hi maisie76, Thanks for adding that photo.
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These Workman's Dwellings with their verandahs look very similar to the Workman's Dwellings in Glasgow's Townhead!
Skoosh.
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Spion Kop has, over the years come to mean any sloping place offering a view such as Liverpool football ground or the cemetery of that name in Hartlepool. From memory I think even Mansfield Town have the same name for the part of the ground.
Martin
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Hi maisie76, Thanks for adding that photo.
No problem, it’s a good view of King Street. I always wanted to know what it looked like back then as my mum was born across from the scope and lived there till she was 10.
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Hello everyone.
My grandfather Francis McInally was born is Spion Kop on 25th April 1920 to Francis & Elizabeth.
He served in the Argyll & Southern Highlanders at 19 years of age with Tommy Boyd.
His mother and sisters died of TB.
Can anyone give me anymore information?
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HI MIGHT BE A LONG SHOT BUT DOES ANYBODY REMEMBER MEG GREEN WHO STAYED NUMBER 13 WORKMANS DWELLINGS. SHE WAS MY G.GRANNY AND LOOKING FOR PHOTOS OF THE GREENS IF YOU HAVE THEM. ANNMARIE W
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When were the Spion Kop buildings in King Street in Ayr demolished. Iremember them as a child in 1956 as my great granny lved further down King Street just before where the open air market used to be. My dad Robert Thomson went to Russell Street school in late 20's / early 30's. I also remember delivering mail in 1973 to a tenement block at the top of King street which had outside loos on the stairwell.
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I only just found this site. We were looking at the picture and the lady standing next to the railing is my mom. I don’t know what years they lived there but they got married in 1934 and in 1944 they were living at a different location so sometime in that 10 year period. We first saw this photo in a book I have called The History of Ayr. What a surprise to see our mom.