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Independent Islands => Isle of Man => Topic started by: jue on Thursday 19 August 10 19:48 BST (UK)
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hi all,researching the mylchreest family,originally from the isle of man,then settlers in liverpool.
the earliest info have is,paul mylchreest,born 1812/1807?,PEEL IOM.
marriage to ann bridson,born 1811/1814?,PEEL IOM.(unsure of marriage date)
son paul was bap.1839,st marks iom,and married firstly,eliza hester faragher in 1863,,and then ann elizabeth qualye in 1870.
i have paul and ann living in michael road iom on the 1871
then in 1881,the family are in toxteth park.along with their family.
my interest then turns to their son william c,born 1866,who married elizabeth cashin west derby 1892.
wondering if there is any more earlier detailed information about the mylchreest family,or if anybody has any links with them.
thanks julie
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interesting mylchreest family history info here?
http://www.iomfhs.im/lawsons/LawsonBMD/manx_law/v4/mylchreest.pdf
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thanks all,for pm's and links......julie
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Hi Julie
Just noticed your thread on here we've communicated elsewhere about the Mylchreests. The PDF provided by Gortonboy (thanks for that mate) includes ancestors from one of my lines ie Patrick Mylchreest and Solomon Mylchreest.
Good luck,
C
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hi thanks for getting in touch....as yet i have been unable to link with that family.my mylchreest being from much more embarrasing beginings!!
but maybe link up somewhere along the way!! ::)
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married Malew 18340517
in 1841 family at glenrushen
Paul was most likely illeg son of Wm Mylchrest + Elizth McGray bapt Malew 18070607
contrary to IGI the manx knew illeg children by their father's name
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hi,thanks for that
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Hello Jue
I have a William Charles Mylchreest born IOM abt 1866...father Paul Mylchreest and mother Eliza Hesther Faragher.
However I have Pauls parents as John Mylchreest and Ann Bridson......I could be wrong ;D
William Charles 1866...according to Family Tree Maker .....is my husband's third cousin twice removed.
mab
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hi mab,sorry for not getting back sooner,,yes you are correct,paul's parents were john and ann brisdon.......too many pauls and john's !
where does your husband fit in to the family?
who were his parents,ect?
my husband is line is through william charles son.
could they be related?
best wishes julie
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Very very very very distant relatives ;D It goes way back.
My husband descends from the Kinvigs.
Thomas Kelly (1766-) married Jane Kinvig (1770-).
Jane's parents were William Kinvig and Margaret Juke who are my husband's 4th great grandparents. My husband descends from Jane's brother John Kinvig.
Jane and Thomas had a daughter Anne Kelly (1799-1861) who married William Faragher (1794-1865).
Anne and William had a daughter Eliza Hesther Faragher who married William Charles Mylchreest (1866-)
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hi again,i think eliza probably died due to child birth comps. with william charles.
paul remarried 1870 (quayle).
william charles went on to be a liverpool pilot...first class .
have really enjoyed doing the manx family history,,it is so interwined?
best wishes julie
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I really enjoyed doing the Manx part of the tree. My husband didn't really know much about his Manx heritage until I started doing his tree....and yes it is so intertwined and gets confusing at times.
Yes...I have Paul remarrying Anne Elizabeth Quayle...got a lot of Quayle's in the tree as well ;D
My husband's Kinvigs moved to Liverpool before the 1861 census. His great great grandfather Henry Kinvig was a policeman. My husband was born in the Toxteth Park area of Liverpool.
mab
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HI,EVERYTIME I THINK I HAVE FINISHED WITH THEM,,I FIND OUT A BIT MORE.
THIS FAMILY ENDED UP IN TOXTETH PARK ALSO...HAMPTON ST....STANHOPE ST, AND THEN SOMETIME BETWEEN 1901 AND 1911 ANN (QUAYLE),IN HER 60'S,OPENS A SHOP IN UPPER STANHOPE ST.
ALWAYS THE SAME SURNAMES CROP UP TIME AND AGAIN,WHILST THEY WERE GETTING WED IN THE IOM,I HAVE ONE BRANCH,THE CLAUGE'S,WHO MARRIED A CAIN......THEN HER DAUGHTER MARRIES A CAIN.
LIKE YOU SAY AT TIMES..VERY PUZZLING ???
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I have Cain's and Clauge's too...the same names over and over again... that's why it's so confusing.
mab
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My Nan was a double Mylchreest! My Great Grandparents both called Mylchreest married at St Silas Church High Park Street Toxteth Liverpool in 1898. They share a common ancestor who re-married going back to the 1600s.
C
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hi there,i did notice that double mylchreest marriage,and kinda wondered what was going on :o
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If I wasn't so well brought up I'd retail some of the Foxdale jokes! - seriously there are a limited set of common Manx names so usual joke is "different names second cousins, same name no relation" - you often see Cain=Cain for example - often it is a 2nd marriage for one or both parties as pre welfare state days you needed both a Man and a wife to run farm + family so I suspect eligible parties were quickly matched up by friends.
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love your anecdotes......different names,second cousins,same name no relation!......what fun!
we live in such different times. ;D
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Do any of you have Elizabeth Mylchreest christened 19 nov 1752 in your tree?
I imagine she is sister of Elinor B; 1756 and Patrick B: 1750
She married a William Skelly and had a son Thomas Skelly in 1785
I am trying to figure out if this is Thomas Skeally that married Jane Kissack 23/4/1803
Any help would be greatly appreciated
Sally
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hi sally,,sorry i have not been able to find out william's family,,so dont know about brothers and sisters
maybe someday ???
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I have solved the Problem Not my Thomas skelley after all. But I did find the right one eventually
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glad you got there ;D
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Hello! Someone pointed me in your direction. According to Family Tree Maker, I am 1st cousin 4 times removed to your William Charles, and great-grandniece of his wife Elizabeth.
I have that Eliza was buried 19 Nov 1868 in German, IOM, two years after William was christened, but have no other children for her. I also have that Paul and Anne (Quayle) had 6 kids - 4 IOM and 2 Liverpool.
I'm descended from Elizabeth's brother James Cashin, who was born in Peel, but had moved to Liverpool by the time he married in 1900.
Jo
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Hello Jo:)
Welcome to Rootschat.
Strangely enough I have never done any research on Elizabeth Cashen (Cashin). I just looked at her on my tree on An***try and it has matched my tree to another tree that has her on it.
The owner has her parents as James Cashin and Jane Ellen MacDonald.
They also have your James Cashin married to Catherine Ann McMaster.
mab
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hi,thanks for contacting me,have just picked up the message,dont have time tonight,,but will get the files out tomorrow,,refresh my memory :P....and get back to you.........best wishes julie
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Thanks Mab
That's them, although I didn't know Jane had a middle name. There don't seem to be many of us Manx Cashin/Cashens left. Most of the Cashins I run into are Irish.
Jo
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hi,,,paul married eliza hester faragher,12/12/1863,kirk german,they had 2 children,john,born 1865,and william charles ,born 1866,,,as you say eliza died 1868,,and paul remarried,ann elizabeth quayle 1870.
they had ann elizabeth,who was listed as 2 on the 1871 census.
i think john may have died,as there is no further listing for him.also ann elizabeth.
the family moved to liverpool ,1875/6 ish,and went on to have more children.
william charles was a liverpool pilot..he died 1918,aged 52.
ann elizabeth quayle has been a bit of a strange one,,as i find her mum ann quayle ,as a widow in liverpool,on the 1841,,on the 1851,ann is still classed as a widow,but ann elizabeth appears on it aged 8,,by that time they are back in the I.O.M,.......i probably have loads more to find out about this family,,,this is my husbands side,his mum was daughter of henry paul mylchreest,(son of william charles).........i have really enjoyed doing this family,and learning about places on the IOM.........julie
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i have done a little on the cashin family,,james cashin married jane mcdonald 1867,,shown on the 1881,as a fisherman,from peel,,along with 6 children
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James and Jane had 8 children. Their eldest, Drusilla Jane, died at the age of 2, and their youngest, Thomas, was born in 1882. James died in 1890 (I think, but have recorded no source for this), and Jane remarried Angus McLeod Nov 1890, in Peel. She died 1919 in Liverpool.
Not many of the children stayed or returned to the Isle of Man.
Mary Jane went to Montana, USA.
James to Liverpool.
Elizabeth also to Liverpool.
Alice Eleanor died at the age of about 6 in Peel.
John Henry moved to the Texas oilfields.
Robert moved to Montana.
Thomas to Chicago.
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wow !!,what travellers,thanks for that,i will update my records....julie
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I am doing a bit of work for the 2x grand daughter of William Charles Mylchreest born Dalby 1867. This seems to fit in with some of the posts in this thread.
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Are you referring to William Charles Mylchreest born IOM abt 1866 died 12 Oct 1918 in Liverpool?
I have him on a tree that I am working on. He was married to Elizabeth Cashin. I have three sons for him but I haven't pursued his line any further.
mab
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Yes! The children would be James H, William C and Henry Paul (known as Paul).
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They are distant cousins of my husband via the name Kinvig
Jane Kelly nee Kinvig > Ann Faragher nee Kelly > Eliza Hesther Mylchreest nee Faragher = William Charles Mylchreest
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Jane Kelly nee Kinvig.......her brother John Kinvig (1786-1840) was my husband's third great grandfather.
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Jane Kelly nee Kinvig > Ann Faragher nee Kelly > Eliza Hesther Mylchreest nee Faragher = William Charles Mylchreest
Oh! I have Ann Faragher nee Kelly's parents as Patrick Kelly and Ann Cashin. No source info, so it is quite likely to be completely wrong.
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I have:
William Charles Mylchreest baptised 28 Oct 1866 Patrick IOM m. Elizabeth Cashin, daughter of James Cashin and Jane McDonald 1892 Liverpool, Lancashire.
Four children:
James Harold b. 23 Jan 1895 d. 1978
William Charles b. 1 Oct 1898 d. Jan 1986
Henry Paul b. 24 Jul 1905 d. 1971
Edna Elizabeth b. 1914 d. 8 Dec 1948
Elizabeth's probate is granted to James and Edna in 1946 (she died 11 Nov 1945), and Edna resided at the same address when she died (70 Langdale Rd, Wavertree, Liverpool).
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thank you so much ;D
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I have:
William Charles Mylchreest baptised 28 Oct 1866 Patrick IOM m. Elizabeth Cashin, daughter of James Cashin and Jane McDonald 1892 Liverpool, Lancashire.
Four children:
James Harold b. 23 Jan 1895 d. 1978
William Charles b. 1 Oct 1898 d. Jan 1986
Henry Paul b. 24 Jul 1905 d. 1971
Edna Elizabeth b. 1914 d. 8 Dec 1948
Elizabeth's probate is granted to James and Edna in 1946 (she died 11 Nov 1945), and Edna resided at the same address when she died (70 Langdale Rd, Wavertree, Liverpool).
Yes that's what I have too except I didn't have Edna. I have added her now.
I haven't looked at this part of the tree in a very long time:)
mab
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Jane Kelly nee Kinvig > Ann Faragher nee Kelly > Eliza Hesther Mylchreest nee Faragher = William Charles Mylchreest
Oh! I have Ann Faragher nee Kelly's parents as Patrick Kelly and Ann Cashin. No source info, so it is quite likely to be completely wrong.
I really haven't looked at this tree in awhile so I will have to go back and look at why I made that connection:)
mab
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I remember...it was from a will extract.
Jane Kelly left goods to Martha Faragher, daughter of William Faragher. Now if I can figure out my thinking from there I'll have it ;D
mab
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I hadn't got Edna either, but will pass all this info on. Shame its not my branch of the Mylchreests (I'm from Joseph, Diamond King). I will be on the Island next month and could do look ups if you want.
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I've posted already on this thread but for any new readers my Mylchreests are double Mylchreests on one side is the well known Manx character Solomon Mylchreest and on the other side is John "Jack the Hatter" Mylchreest of Castletown:-
http://mylchreest.weebly.com/
Blue
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I've posted already on this thread but for any new readers my Mylchreests are double Mylchreests on one side is the well known Manx character Solomon Mylchreest and on the other side is John "Jack the Hatter" Mylchreest of Castletown:-
http://mylchreest.weebly.com/
Blue
Fabulous!! What a great site. I have private blogs where I gather all my research but I haven't put it in as organized a fashion as you have. It really helps to have it all in one spot for quick reference.
mab
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That's wonderful. Would love to be able to link my lot to this. Must be something way back.
Bar
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I remember...it was from a will extract.
Jane Kelly left goods to Martha Faragher, daughter of William Faragher. Now if I can figure out my thinking from there I'll have it ;D
mab
There's a Thomas Kelly on MNB's will list for Patrick. Died 27 Dec 1825 with children William and Ann, wife of William Fargher. Perhaps that had something to do with it?
Jo
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I remember...it was from a will extract.
Jane Kelly left goods to Martha Faragher, daughter of William Faragher. Now if I can figure out my thinking from there I'll have it ;D
mab
There's a Thomas Kelly on MNB's will list for Patrick. Died 27 Dec 1825 with children William and Ann, wife of William Fargher. Perhaps that had something to do with it?
Jo
Yes that's Thomas all right:) Jane Kelly nee Kinvig's will was probated on April 29, 1847 and she mentions Margaret, Martha and Ellen Faragher daughters of William. A William Kelly is the executor. Possibly her grandson as I believe her son William died in 1846.
The link where I found the will transcript isn't working at the moment. I sent an email to the admin to advise them and if it works again I'll post the link.
mab