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Title: Dating please - related to 'Crackle glazed' GM
Post by: Jeffrey on Wednesday 25 August 10 09:55 BST (UK)
Dear All,
Can any one date when this photo was taken please from the younger girls dress or type of photo etc. Or give me some idea of the age of the women.

Also can anyone make out the name of the photographer?. I can see the address is 119 High St, Sunderland but can't make out the name. That may also give me a clue.

I am wondering if the younger woman is my 'crackled glazed' grandmother, Florence, born 1879 or her elder sister, Elizabeth born 1866.

If it is the younger one then the baby is almost certainly my mother.

Judy
Title: Re: Dating please - related to 'Crackle glazed' GM
Post by: Finley 1 on Wednesday 25 August 10 10:15 BST (UK)
look at that expression on the little ones face..... is it saying  '''oh no what have I let myself in for''' ;D ;D ;D

sorry no good with dates..

xin
Title: Re: Dating please - related to 'Crackle glazed' GM
Post by: maggbill on Wednesday 25 August 10 10:49 BST (UK)
Hi Jeffrey,
sorry i am no expert but - the photo to me looks like ?? about 1890's or later and the younger woman looks like no more than about 16 - 18 years old.   What a magic photo!!  Good luck with it!

Maggs
Title: Re: Dating please - related to 'Crackle glazed' GM
Post by: Jeffrey on Wednesday 25 August 10 11:13 BST (UK)
Thanks for replies - I thought maybe the baby was looking to heaven - wondering what was happening ;D ;D

Looking at the older lady - does anyone think she is in her mid 50's or in her mid 60's?

Judy
Title: Re: Dating please - related to 'Crackle glazed' GM
Post by: maggbill on Wednesday 25 August 10 11:19 BST (UK)
Hi Judy,

My ancestors of that era were lucky if they lasted until their 60's!!  And I think people aged quicker than these days - no botox... and speaking of that - the older lady in one way seems "old" from her posture, but she is quite wrinkle free.... I wouldn't be surprised if she was only in her 50's????  But there again, as I said, i am no expert.

Maggs
Title: Re: Dating please - related to 'Crackle glazed' GM
Post by: Chrisann on Wednesday 25 August 10 15:37 BST (UK)
I am no expert but looking at the younger woman's hairstyle, blouse and skirt I would have put this photo at 1910-1915. Her age is more difficult - a young looking mid-20s perhaps. I'd say that the older lady is perhaps mid-sixties to early-seventies. Maybe one of the experts will come along and put me right. Chrisann ;-)
Title: Re: Dating please - related to 'Crackle glazed' GM
Post by: jim1 on Wednesday 25 August 10 16:40 BST (UK)
The pigeon-front blouse became popular at the turn of the century but the neckline & the older lady's dress style is all wrong for that date.The style briefly reemerged late in the decade when I think this was taken,so agree with the date at around 1910-12.
she looks very young & could pass as a teenager but she has her hair in the adult style although she is wearing a bow which was now a fashion trend for women as well as girls,so if the baby is hers she would have to be early 20's at least.
the older woman I would say is in her 60's.
jim
Title: Re: Dating please - related to 'Crackle glazed' GM
Post by: kris_baxter73 on Wednesday 25 August 10 17:13 BST (UK)
Hi, I think the older woman's dress is circa 1908 (age 65?), and the young lady is wearing something from circa 1911 (age 23?).

I will compare the fashion to some dated postcards when I have more time.

Cheers, Kristian
Title: Re: Dating please - related to 'Crackle glazed' GM
Post by: saddles on Thursday 26 August 10 05:12 BST (UK)
Hi Judy........A lovely photo deserved some colour I thought.

Carolyn  :)
Title: Re: Dating please - related to 'Crackle glazed' GM
Post by: Jeffrey on Thursday 26 August 10 11:41 BST (UK)
Thank you very much for the dating of the photo. I must admit to being  disappointed it was not around 1904 :'( as it puts a new complexion on it. Both for the person who sent it and myself.

Back to the drawing board for the young lady & baby then. The older lady fits fine with the age etc. She is my Gt. Grandmother.

Thank you for the colouring it always puts a different look to a photo and shows up things that hadn't been noticed before - like the jewellery of the older lady.

I now know the photographer is W.A. Culshaw. He was in Sunderland in the 1901 Census - living 91 Fulwell Rd and the 1911 Census living 18 Thelma St. Sunderland. I am trying to get an idea of when he had a studio at 119 High St.

Thank you all - I appreciate the time you have taken to look, date or colour this photo.

Judy
Title: Re: Dating please - related to 'Crackle glazed' GM
Post by: Chrisann on Thursday 26 August 10 12:17 BST (UK)
Would you let us know if you are able to pin the date down further please Judy? As I said, I'm no expert and would like to learn how to be more accurate in dating - I find it a pleasing challenge so any feedback would be welcome. I thought that the two ladies in the photo were so alike that they were probably mother and daughter or maybe aunt and niece. Good luck, Chrisann
Title: Re: Dating please - related to 'Crackle glazed' GM
Post by: Jeffrey on Thursday 26 August 10 17:10 BST (UK)
For those interested  an update about when the photographer W.A. Culshaw, which is who took the photo, was in business.

This was from the Local Studies Centre at Sunderland.

W.A. Culshaw - Photographer
119 High St. West: 1905-06, 1909-10, 1911-12 (also at 268 High St)
2 Walton's Buildings, High St. West: 1915-6, 1921, 1923, 1925 1927.

So that well covers the date of 1910-1912 as has been suggested for the date of the photo.

I will have to do much more research to know who the young lady is.

Judy
Title: Re: Dating please - related to 'Crackle glazed' GM
Post by: Jeffrey on Thursday 01 February 18 14:43 GMT (UK)
An update - despite quite a bit of research I  still have not been able to find out who the young lady and the baby were.

I am still thinking the baby just may be my mother born 1904. And the younger lady her mother born 1881.
The blouse with the 'pigeon front' may have been early in the century. She was a dressmaker so could have made it.
The older woman was poor so don't think she will have kept up-to-date. I know she was born 1839 and died in 1924.

Any more ideas?

Judy