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Title: Llanfihangel Nant Bran: Evan Pugh father of Samuel Pugh christened 1794
Post by: Llanfihangel on Thursday 26 August 10 00:35 BST (UK)
The National Library of Wales did a Bishop's transcript search for me on Samuel Pugh christened Llanfihangel Nant Bran in 1794. The entry shows that his father was Evan Pugh, but that is all the detail there is. I have found an Evan Pugh baptised 1751 in Llandeilo'r Fan, (Kyle Williams web site) but I don't know how to cross-check. These are different parishes and I don't know if a family would be likely to show up in both. There must have been a few Evan Pugh's in that area of Brecknockshire! There are no Samuel Pugh's in Llandeilo'r Fan...

Please help me if you can, I am reluctant to proceed without more information.

Thanks again
 :)
Title: Re: Llanfihangel Nant Bran: Evan Pugh father of Samuel Pugh christened 1794
Post by: Llanfihangel on Thursday 02 September 10 07:46 BST (UK)
Need help to find all the Pughs in Llanfihangel Nant Bran!

I have spent a lot of time doing searches of the Pugh families in Llanfihangel Nant Bran using the 1841 census, and various other Internet data sources. There are a lot of Pughs there and I am getting very confused as to how many different Pugh families there were at that time. I have good proof that Samuel Pugh christened 1794 is my ancestor, and that an Evan Pugh was his father.

I have identified Thomas Pugh born 1785 and Anne Pugh born 1790 as Samuel's siblings, both from Llanfihangel Nant Bran.

I think that Evan Pugh born 1790 in Llandeilo'r Fan may have been another one of Samuel's brothers. This is because his father was also called Evan, born 1747 in Llandeilo'r Fan.

This is all getting very complicated and I need to have a list of all the Pugh's living in Llanfihangel Nant Bran on some date (say 1841 or 1851) in order to sort this out. Kyle Williams has already published comprehensive data for Llandeilo'r Fan so that helps a lot.

Can someone let me know how to get that list.. I would be very grateful. The ancestry databases won't accept Llanfihangel Nant Bran, Llanfihangel Nant Brane, or Llanfihangelynantbrane as place names.

Thanks  :)


Title: Re: Llanfihangel Nant Bran: Evan Pugh father of Samuel Pugh christened 1794
Post by: garfydd on Friday 03 September 10 14:38 BST (UK)
re. Pughs,
Your time line is most likely to be, summarised,-
1. Evan Pugh 1743-1891     recon. 42.145
2.Evan Pugh 1781-1851+    recon 42.69
3. Samuel Pugh                    recon 42.144
recon=reconstructions,
Garfydd
Title: Re: Llanfihangel Nant Bran: Evan Pugh father of Samuel Pugh christened 1794
Post by: Llanfihangel on Friday 03 September 10 18:41 BST (UK)
Thank you very much for your reply. The time lines are about what I figured out, but I am not familiar with the reconstruct process you suggest.. What process do I use, and on what database/

Looking forward to getting more information!

Title: Re: Ll' Nant Bran & Ll'fan: Pughs
Post by: garfydd on Saturday 04 September 10 11:28 BST (UK)
to Llanfihangelnantbran,
re. Pugh, the recons refer to reconstructions I have made over the last 20+ years.  Resources used=BTs.,P.R., NPR,. censuses, M.I.s etc.
garfydd
Title: Re: Llanfihangel Nant Bran: Evan Pugh father of Samuel Pugh christened 1794
Post by: Llanfihangel on Tuesday 07 September 10 11:15 BST (UK)
To Garfydd:

There is an Evan Pugh christened in Llandeilo'r fan in 1751, and a record for a marriage between Evan Pugh and Joan Jones in Llanfihangel Nant Bran in 1779. I have no idea if they are related to Samauel Pugh born 1794, although the dates seem feasible.

Cheers
Llanfi
Title: Re: Llanfihangel Nant Bran: Evan Pugh father of Samuel Pugh christened 1794
Post by: garfydd on Tuesday 07 September 10 14:32 BST (UK)
annwyl Llanfihangelnantbran,
My recons. based on the two parishes Ll'fan & Llfhn'bran. Naming patterns for issue used as probablity guide. Need to look at my recon files again, at home, I use emails etc in the local library.
pob hwyl Garfydd
Title: Re: Llanfihangel Nant Bran: Evan Pugh father of Samuel Pugh christened 1794
Post by: Llanfihangel on Tuesday 07 September 10 19:37 BST (UK)
Thanks!
 :)
Title: Re: Llanfihangel Nant Bran: Evan Pugh father of Samuel Pugh christened 1794
Post by: Llanfihangel on Monday 13 September 10 04:24 BST (UK)
:)

I obtained a copy of the will of David Pugh, Cordwainer, Llanfihangel Nant Brane, 1826, Ref BR/1826/37 with bequests to his mother Joan, two brothers Samuel and Thomas, and to three sisters Catharine, Anne, and Mary. On that basis I am sure that Evan Pugh and Joan Jones were Samuel Pugh's parents. David died shortly after making his will, which was drawn up by Rees Powell, also executor, and witnessed by Morgan Morgans and Thos. Price. The will also provided a bequest to Jenkin Jenkins, the son of Catharine and Jenkin Jenkins.

Further information on how the Pugh's got to Llanfihangel would be interesting.

David Pugh, who christened an Evan Pugh in 1751, Ann in 1754, and John in 1757 in Landeilo'r Fan may have been the father of "our" Evan Pugh. However the same Parish has a record of Evan Pugh christening a son, Evan Pugh, in 1781. Census records show that this Evan had a thriving family for many years in Llandeilo'r Fan, none of them from Llanfihangel Nant Bran.

Things do get confusing!

Any further data will be really appreciated!

Cheers,

Llanfi
Title: Re: Llanfihangel Nant Bran: Evan Pugh father of Samuel Pugh christened 1794
Post by: Llanfihangel on Wednesday 29 September 10 05:12 BST (UK)
 :-\

I seem to have hit the proverbial Brick Wall. I'd like to hear from anyone with any information on Evan Pugh married to Joan Jones, 1779 in Llanfihangel Nant Bran, Brecknockshire, Wales. He had six children: Anne, Mary, Catharine, Thomas, David, and Samuel. Thomas was a Maltster, David a Cordwainer, and Samuel wasa Cooper ......

Cheers,

Llanfi
Title: Re: Llanfihangel Nant Bran: Evan Pugh father of Samuel Pugh christened 1794
Post by: Llanfihangel on Tuesday 05 October 10 23:28 BST (UK)
The Library of Wales has now found Evan Pugh's Father. At least they found a Llanfihangel Nant Bran, Brecknockshire, Bishop's Transcript for the Christening of Evan son of Thomas Pugh on 9th of April 1743. I am looking to get more information as far back as possible... Thanks for your attention.

llanfi
Title: Re: Llanfihangel Nant Bran: Evan Pugh father of Samuel Pugh christened 1794
Post by: garfydd on Wednesday 06 October 10 15:13 BST (UK)
Dear Llanfihangel,,
Will have another look at my transcripts, it might help if you could send Samuel Pugh's wife & issue. Might have it on file will check again.  Llfhnbran & Ll'fan are adjacent.l
Garfydd
Title: Re: Llanfihangel Nant Bran: Evan Pugh father of Samuel Pugh christened 1794
Post by: Llanfihangel on Wednesday 06 October 10 18:11 BST (UK)
Hello Garfydd!

Thanks for your reply...

Evan Pugh C. 1742 in Llanfihangel Nant Bran was the son of Thomas Pugh (no information yet)

Evan Pugh and Joan Jones, married 1779, had six children: Samuel, Thomas, David, Mary, Catharine, and Anne. All in Llanfihangel Nant Bran.

Samuel Pugh (C. 1794) married Margaret Williams (from Llandeilo'r Fan) in 1824, and had four children; Dafydd, Samuel, Hannah, and Margaret all born in Llangorse, Becknockshire.

Samuel (born 1826 in Llangorse) moved back to Llanfihangel Nant Bran for a while and married Elizabeth Powell (born 1836 in Llanfihangel Nant Bran) in a registry office in Brecon in 1860. They had 11 children.

I think Evan Pugh had two sisters Mary who married John Morgans in 1777 and Anne who married Philip Lewis in 1765, but I don't have any proof that they were children of Thomas Pugh.

I am trying to find out more about Thomas Pugh and Evan Pugh and I am a bit curious about Elizabeth Powell's mother; the marriage certificate shows Thomas Powell (retired farmer) as her father.

Thanks you very much for your interest!

Best regards

Llanfi :)

Title: Re: Llanfihangel Nant Bran: Evan Pugh father of Samuel Pugh christened 1794
Post by: Llanfihangel on Wednesday 06 October 10 18:13 BST (UK)
Evan Pugh was born on 9 april 1743 not 1742

Cheers

Llanfi
Title: Re: Llanfihangel Nant Bran: Evan Pugh father of Samuel Pugh christened 1794
Post by: Llanfihangel on Tuesday 12 October 10 21:20 BST (UK)
Thomas Pugh (Wales) had six children: William 1742, Evan 1743, Elizabeth 1745, Ann 1751, Gwen 1754, Samuel 1758... All Christened in Llanfihangel Nant Bran, Brecknockshire. I am looking for more information on Thomas Pugh who was born about 1715, probably in Brecknockshire, but maybe somewhere else in Wales....

 :)
Title: Re: Llanfihangel Nant Bran: Evan Pugh father of Samuel Pugh christened 1794
Post by: Pughm on Thursday 05 January 12 03:47 GMT (UK)
Hi
   I found a thread you had written on John Pugh from screen farm, and wondered if you had linked your tree to him. I have done some research, and linked my tree back to Henry   pugh died 1743 and sybil Pugh died 1736. All my Pugh family came from the llandeilo graban and my G grand father samual Pugh moved to Pontardulais . So I was trying to link John to my tree but failed .it is a few years since I have done my research ,just got the bug again.
Title: Re: Llanfihangel Nant Bran: Evan Pugh father of Samuel Pugh christened 1794
Post by: Llanfihangel on Thursday 05 January 12 05:49 GMT (UK)
Hi!
I will try to help you as much as I can... I have quite a lot of information on the Pugh Family who lived at Skreen Farm around 1800. I haven't found a link between the two families either. Since my last posting here, I obtained the Hearth Tax records for Llanfihangel Nant Bran and Llandeilo'r Fan and I didn't find any Pughs listed there. I conclude that "my" Pugh family moved to Llanfihangel Nant Bran beween about 1660 and 1714. Now this is where it gets quite interesting...
As you know, there was a lot of religious persecution in the late 1600s. I found an account of Thomas Pugh and his wife Elinor summoned to Brecon Court in 1687. They lived in the Llywell parish, and the Parish Vicar reported them for "Not Attending Church Three Sundays in a Row". That was a very serious offence at that time. Now, I also found the will of Thomas Pugh in the Parish of Gwenddwr leaving his affairs in 1689 to his son-in-law Prosser to look after his wife Elinor. Gwenddwr is close to Llandeilo Graban.

I don't think that Thomas and Elinor would have returned to Llywell after their treatment there, and it seems plausible that they moved closer to other Pughs in the Wye Valley area. My ancestor Thomas Pugh is about the right age to have been this Thomas Pugh's son, and he would pobably have moved as well. Possibly from Llywell to Llanfihangel Nant Bran.
It makes a good story anyway, butd I haven't been able to dig up anything to support it so far!
I would be very interested in communicating with you, and you can do so through this channel or I can send you my email address privately.
Thanks for your interest,
Llanfi :) :) :)
Title: Re: Llanfihangel Nant Bran: Evan Pugh father of Samuel Pugh christened 1794
Post by: Llanfihangel on Thursday 05 January 12 05:52 GMT (UK)
Hi,
I must add that I obtained a Bishop's Transcript of Thomas Pugh baptised by Thomas Pugh and Elizabeth in 1714 in Llanfihangel Nant Bran...
Cheers!
Llanfi
 :) :) :)
Title: Re: Llanfihangel Nant Bran: Evan Pugh father of Samuel Pugh christened 1794
Post by: Pughm on Thursday 05 January 12 22:31 GMT (UK)
thanks for the information, I live in canada but from pontardulais i have access to ancestry, how can i send you my email address ?
Title: Re: Llanfihangel Nant Bran: Evan Pugh father of Samuel Pugh christened 1794
Post by: garfydd on Thursday 26 April 12 16:08 BST (UK)
re.Samuel Pugh=Elizabeth. Think I have Samuel on file will check my records at home. You are very unlikely to find any non parochial records(chapel) after 1837-all chapel "surrendered 1837. I am curious know must check my records.
Garfydd
Title: Re: Llanfihangel Nant Bran: Evan Pugh father of Samuel Pugh christened 1794
Post by: Llanfihangel on Thursday 26 April 12 23:02 BST (UK)
Thanks Garfydd!
I'll be interested to learn more from you regarding Samuel Pugh=Elizabeth. They have two rather unusual names for two of their children. One is Giles Powell Pugh, which is partially explained by Elizabeth's maiden name which was Powell, and the fact that a Giles Pugh lived close by in Trallong. He was born in Llanfihangel Nant Bran as well. The other name is Albert Chrismus Pugh, which is really out of place...

Regarding the 1714 record of Thomas Pugh, I have found possible parents for him in Maesmynis and Merthyr Cynog, but only as marriage bonds. His father would have been born around 1885, which is going back a long way.

The family seems to have a Trades background, not farmers. 

I hope things are going well for you!

Best Wishes,

Llanfi :) :) :)
Title: Re: Llanfihangel Nant Bran: Evan Pugh father of Samuel Pugh christened 1794
Post by: Llanfihangel on Thursday 26 April 12 23:04 BST (UK)
Hi!

Of course that was supposed to be 1685 not 1885!

  ::) ::)
Llanfi
Title: Re: Llanfihangel Nant Bran: Evan Pugh father of Samuel Pugh christened 1794
Post by: Llanfihangel on Friday 27 April 12 05:11 BST (UK)
Hi!

I found that Elizabeth's father, Thomas Powell had an elder brother Giles Powell who was indeed the wealthy Farmer living in Trallong. So Giles conforms to Welsh naming convention!

Albert Chrismus was later corrected to Albert Christmas. and maybe he was born around Christmas time... why Albert I don't know... ?

Cheers,

Llanfi
Title: Re: Llanfihangel Nant Bran: Evan Pugh father of Samuel Pugh christened 1794
Post by: garfydd on Friday 27 April 12 11:56 BST (UK)
annwyl Llanfihangel,
Thought I sent you a message yesterday, I am confused!! Just snippets.Samuel Powell, chr. Ap.9,1826 at Llangorse C.M.Chapel.=Elizabeth Powell at Brecon R.O. 1860. Albert Christian bo. ca. Mch.2, chr. Mch. 4, 1865 at Aberyscir P.Ch. He probably named after the husband of Queen Victoria.  Will explore the other "stuff" you receive.
Garfydd
Title: Re: Llanfihangel Nant Bran: Evan Pugh father of Samuel Pugh christened 1794
Post by: Llanfihangel on Thursday 09 May 13 17:09 BST (UK)

Hi,
After lots of research on the Internet and considerable help by Rootschat and Archives at the Library of Wales, I have found the following:

I have Bishops Transcripts etc  of my Ancestors in Llanfihangel Nant Bran, Brecknockshire, Wales
Thomas Pugh and Elizabeth baptised Thomas 1714 at Llanfihangel Nant Bran
Elizabeth, wife of Thomas Pugh ,was buried 16 December 1723
Thomas Pugh was buried 2 February 1728

Thomas Pugh 1714 Nov 23 1775 married Elizabeth Thomas on 9 April 1740. (Aberyscir) They christened Elizabeth and buried her the same year.
They baptised William, January 22 1742; Evan, 9 April 1743; Ann, December 20 1751; Gwen, August 27 1754; Elizabeth, January 16th 1746; and Samuel, May 28 1758, all in Llanfihangel Nant Bran.
Thos Pugh buried January 12 1775
Evan married Joan Jones July 2 1779
They had Thomas Evan March 11 1785, David, Samuel, Ann, Mary, Catharine

Evan Pugh of Llanfihangel Village was buried July 14 1819
Joan Pugh abode Village buried May 20 1831 age 76

Samuel married Margaret Williams 1 January 1 1824, in LLnB Church, Witnesses Watkin Williams and Thomas Williams and had four children in Llangorse:
Dafyd, Samuel, Hannah,Margaret

Samuel married Elizabeth Powell and had 11 chidren, mostly in Llanfilo
I am descended from Samuel

Other Family data in Llanfihangel Nant Bran:

Elizabeth Pugh Baptised July 30 1780
Chatherine of Evan Pugh baptized 21 April 1782
Thomas Evan Pugh baptized March 11 1785
Catherine Pugh baptized July 3 1785
Eliza Pugh Baptised March 16 1787
Elizath Pugh Buried July 14 1787
Elizabeth Pugh Baptised February 15 1790
David Pugh Baptised March 11 1793
Samuel Son of Evan Pugh Baptised March 30 1794
Esther Griffiths Baptised May 28 1802

This makes it likely that my most distant Ancestor, Thomas Pugh was christened about 1685 in Brecknockshire.

I am still working on the 1700s!

Comments are welcome
Thanks to all of you

Llanfi
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