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Looking some help in tracing the Crothers family.
They all originated in Northern Ireland and moved to Michigan.
I have found them on the 1930 census but thats it.
William John Crothers
his wife Agnes (nee Currie/Curry)
Their children
Mary Elizabeth
Aggie Jane
Sarah (Sadie)
Ellen
I found their sister Margaret Kenney married to Moses Kenney and on her obituary in 1952 it reads survived by her 4 sisters:
Mrs George H Hall, Detroit, Mrs KEnneth McLennan, Grosse Point, Mrs Frank Millar, Detroit & Mrs Francis Sullivan, Grosse Point.
There were also 2 sons William James & Joseph Ivan. I have found their death records but don't know if they married etc.
Anyone with any information would be appreciated by their family in Northern Ireland.
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Hello Turbonator.
Have you tried this site, it is fairly good for information:-
http://seekingmichigan.org/
Regards
Sandra
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Hi Turbonator
I can see William John, Agnes, Sarah, Ellen William James and Joseph crossing the border from Canada in May 1929.
The family name is given as REA (Known as CROTHERS)
This immigration list provides birth places, last known residence, where they are headed, etc.
Do you need this, or are you looking for post-1930 information?
The 1930 census is the most recent one available for the USA.
Regards,
Grub
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On the 1930 Census some of the children you mention don't appear - so some must have come independantly.
1930 Census Grosse Pointe Farms, Wayne, Michigan
William Crothers 52 Immigrated 1929
Agnes Crothers 49 Immigrated 1929
Agnes Crothers 28 Immigrated 1927
William Crothers 14 Immigrated 1929
Ivan Crothers 7 Immigrated 1929
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US Naturalization Records Index.
Joseph Ivan Crothers Birth Date: 24 Dec 1922
Locality, Court: Detroit, District Court. Michigan. 27 June 1941
Border Crossing from US to Canada
Name: Jos Ivan Crothers. Born about 1923. Tardree N Ireland. Aged 12 years
Travelling with Agnes Crother (Mother) Aged 57 years and William John Crothers (James Rea) Arrival Port: Windsor, Ontario Date of Arrival: 24 Sep 1935. Going to sister Maggie Kenny 266 Bridge. Windsor. Ontario
It says Appealed and rejected so not certian they were able to cross.
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I have found all the family members on census forms and I have most of the information on Margaret Kenney. I'm just trying to find what happened to the other members of this family after 1930 & 1952.
Ie when they died and where they are buried but thanks to all who have replyed.
Amanda
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Dates of births are always useful to help us search ???
Perhaps a RAOGK volunteer in Oakland County and Macomb County where Joseph Ivan and William died could find Obituaries for them which could give you a lead as to where they are buried and who they both married and families they may have had.
http://www.raogk.org/michigan4.htm
The link below is what is available on Michigan Deaths and Burials
http://www.rootschat.com/links/09mf/
and what is available on Michigan Marriages 1822 - 1895
http://www.rootschat.com/links/09mg/
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Previous Thread on Agnes Crothers and James Currie
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,400372.0.html
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I found their sister Margaret Kenney married to Moses Kenney and on her obituary in 1952 it reads survived by her 4 sisters:
Mrs George H Hall, Detroit, Mrs KEnneth McLennan, Grosse Point, Mrs Frank Millar, Detroit & Mrs Francis Sullivan, Grosse Point.There were also 2 sons William James & Joseph Ivan. I have found their death records but don't know if they married etc.
Anyone with any information would be appreciated by their family in Northern Ireland.
Possible SSDI Record
Ellen Sullivan
Born 6 May 1911
Died 31 st March 2009
Last Residence: 48230 Grosse Pointe, Wayne, Michigan.
SSN issued: Michigan (Before 1951)
Michigan Death
Francis D Sullivan
Birth Date: 12 Jan 1909
Death Date: 11 Dec 1985 - Grosse Pte Park, Wayne, Michigan
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Fron the previous thread - "Looking for information on James Currie. Born in Tardree, Co Antrim. Married a lady called Betty Lived in Grosse point Michigan. Also his sister Agnes Currie who married William Crothers. Had several children Mary, Maggie, Aggie, Martha, Annie & Sarah and some that I don't know their names"
Could this possibly be Mary Elizabeth Crother/Hall who married George H Hall - Mrs G H Hall Detroit on the Obituary for Margaret Kenney ?
Detroit Border Crossing and Passenger and Crew List Arrival Date: 14 Sep 1947
Mary Elizabeth Hall. Born 4 April 1898 Ireland Aged 49 years.
Trans Canada Airlines. Montreal. Quebec. 13 th Sept 1947.
Last permanent address:- 1010 Chalmers. Detroit. Michigan. In the US from 1922 to date. Joining husband at address listed. Had $40.
5 foot 5 ins. Dark complexion. Black Hair and Brown eyes
Port of Arrival: Detroit, Michigan 14 Sept 1947
Departure Contact: Sister Annie Allen. 33 Court Street. Belfast. Ireland.
Arrival Contact: Husband George Hall
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If those 2 possibilities are correct, then I would presume that the Obituary gave the sisters in age order unless of course you have written them down differently.
i.e Mary Elizabeth Crother/Hall, Agnes Jane Crother/McLennan, Sarah/Sadie Crother Millar and then Ellen Crother/Sullivan ??? Just a thought ;)
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Detroit Border Crossing - Border Resident - Aliens Crossing Identification Card
Ellen Sullivan Born 6th May 1911 Dough Co Antrim Aged 35 years. Married. Housewife. Weight 165 lbs. 5 foot 3 ins. Complexion fair. Hair blonde. Eyes Grey. No distinguishing marks.Permanent resident of 634 Notre Dame, Grosse Point. Michigan. Alien Redg No:- 2786181
I lawfully entered the United States May 6th 1929 under the name of Ellen Crothers
Port of Arrival - Michigan Arrival Date: 3 Oct 1946
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Detroit Border Crossing - Border Resident - Aliens Crossing Identification Card
Sarah Millar (Spelling on doc MILLER) Born 21 Dec 1905. County Antrim. Northern Ireland. Married. Housewife. Weight 130 lbs. Complexion Fair. Eyes Brown Hair Brown. 5ft 0 ins. Distinguishing Marks None. Alien Redg No:- 4276568.
I lawfully entered the United States 1929 on the Montroyal under the name of Sarah Crothers
( Written below is - Admitted 1 Sept 1935 Det. on RP1023349)
Port of Arrival: Detroit, Michigan 3 Oct 1946
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So that leaves Agnes (Aggie) Jane who must have married Kenneth McLennan
SSDI Record
Sarah Miller
Born: 21 Dec 1905
Died: 4 Oct 1999
Last Residence: 48230 Grosse Pointe, Wayne, Michigan.
SSN was issued: Michigan (1957-1958)
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Detroit Border Crossing
Margaret Kenney (Alias: Crowthers Kenney) Aged 38 years and 7 months Norn about 1895 Birthplace: Whitehouse Near Belfast.
Port of Arrival: Detroit, Michigan. Arriving 11 March 1934
Departure Contact: in Canada - Husband Mose. Windsor. Ontario
Agnes Crother. 42 Lake Mount Ave. Grosse Point. Michigan.
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The wife of William J Crother
SSDI Records
Name: Willam Crothers
Born 16 March 1915
Died Jan 1980
Last Residence: 48080 Saint Clair Shores, Macomb, Michigan,
Last Benefit: 48021 Eastpointe, Macomb, Michigan.
SSN was issued in Michigan (Before 1951)
Mary L. Crowther
Born: 2 May 1914
Died: 9 Dec 1998
Last Residence: 48080 Saint Clair Shores, Macomb, Michigan.
SSN was issued in Michigan (Before 1951)
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Hello Amanda,
A few of the deaths for the family - Sarah Millar, Ellen and Francis Sullivan were at Grosse Pointe.
The link below is for the Grosse Ponte Public Library which has a "Ask A Librarian" link and could be worth an e-mail to see if you could locate the Obituaries which may give further info on the family.
http://www.gp.lib.mi.us/
Regards
Sandra
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Hi. Several Crothers are located in Campbellford, Ontario. My mother's paternal side (Free) was from Carnew, Wicklow, Ireland and moved directly from there to Campbellford not too many generations ago. One of the Free family (maybe more) married Crothers.
Dave R
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Thanks for everyones help. This is indeed the Crothers family that I was looking for. Hopefully the websites forwarded will give me a bit more information on them.
Amanda
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Hello Amanda,
Your most welcome. Wishing you the very best of luck with your enquiries. Would be pleased to hear how you get on - fingers crossed.
Regards
Sandra
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Hello :D :D
My name is Sheri (nee Kenney) and my grandmother was Margaret Rea Crothers, my dad was Samuel David Kenney. I was searching for Moses McLintock Kenney (my grandfather) on Google just as a lark and found your post. I'm so excited--our family here has always wondered if we still had relatives in Ireland...all of my dad's siblings have passed away. I have alot of photographs as well as the family bible that was given to my dad as a gift from my Nana (Maggie) in 1946. It has some records in it as well. I would be happy to send you the info...I hope you're still on here!
I am so thrilled to have found this and all of the info you have provided. My dad passed on in 1979 so this is like having a little piece of him back. Thank you!!!
Sincerely,
Sheri
Windsor, Ontario
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Hi Sheri
I'm so excited that you contacted me. I have been trying to find out any information that I could in regards to your family. I have my family tree on ancestry.com if you are on it you can look it up. Let me tell you a little of where I am on the family tree. Your Grandmother Margaret Rea Crothers mother (Agnes Crothers nee Leitch) and my Gt Grandfather, Samuel Currie were brother and sister. Their mother was Margaret Elizabeth Currie who never married but had 3 children Agnes, Samuel David and James. Samuel David stayed in Tardree, Co Antrim, and Agnes & James emigrated. I have been trying to locate any information on James also. Only Agnes was known as Leitch the other children got her name Currie. I'm sure you are aware that only one of your grandmothers sisters stayed in Northern Ireland Annie who went on to marry Robert Samuel Allen.
I have loads of information and photos of most of my family including a photo of Samuel David which I will attach and hopefully you get this.
Please get in contact again as I'm really thrilled that you have got in contact. I'm also in contact with a man from Belfast who is related to Moses McLintock Kenney. I will pass this information onto him as I know he will be thrilled also that someone from the Kenney family has got in touch.
Look forward to hearing from you soon.
Amanda
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Hi Amanda,
This is awesome. I didn't even know my dad had this uncle he was named after. I am learning how to scan and such and will try to send you this pic of my grandparents and Uncle James Currie. I never knew him as a young man but remember him quite well as he passed away when I was a teenager (1982 or so?). I have lots more and can't wait to see what else you have. I remember my Aunt Sadie (Sarah Miller) telling me that there was a sister that stayed in Ireland, Annie but none of us ever knew anything more... Aunt Sadie was the sweetest, gentlest soul I ever knew, still miss her. Thanks for all the info on the family tree, absolutely wonderful. Great news to hear that you know of someone related to Moses Kenney...please let me know. I'm new to all of this ancestry stuff but very excited to dig more. Okay..here's the photo...write back when you can... Cheers, Sheri
ok, darn, it tells me my attachment is too big...have to get the teenager to help me. lol
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Hi Amanda,
Hope this one goes thru...
Betty and James Currie, don't know who the third lady is...
Here's my email: (*)
and I'm on facebook as Sheri Kenney-St. Amour
ttys.
Sheri
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Hi Amanda, my name is Michelle and Sheri (Kenney) was my best friend for 51 years, since we were 5 years old.
I stumbled across this page and your correspondence with each other and I wanted to pass on some very sad news to you..
In October of last year Sheri was diagnosed with stage 4 ovarian cancer and spent 10 months in the hospital and hospice combined.
After a very long battle and 2 days of terrible illness, she passed away peacefully yesterday at 3:00 a.m. in London Ontario with her loving husband John by her side.
I just wanted you to know this as I enjoyed reading your correspondence with each other and thought that my friend would want you to know. Peace be with you and your family.
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Dear Michelle,
I just wanted you to know that I was very sorry to have read about the death of your friend Sheri.
Kind Regards
Sarah