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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Lancashire => Topic started by: David Layne on Saturday 28 August 10 20:38 BST (UK)
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I am interested in contcting the family of T.M. Lockyer, pilot of Spitfire R6598 of 1 PRU who was shot down 23/2/41 and ended up a P.O.W. at Stalag Luft III.
His wartime adress was.
8 Hamilton Road,
Chorley, Lancs.
I have information I wish to share.
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There don't seem to be many T M Lockyers around Lancashire.
There is a birth of a Thomas M Lockyer in Cockermouth, Cumberland in the 4th quarter of 1913. Ideally for a Spitfire pilot, hs mother's maiden name was Mitchell.
Chorley is not exactly handy for any aerodrome which would have flown Sptfires, so this may have been the address of his next-of-kin. If so, they were probably working at one of the many local factories doing war work.
The places most likely to have had workers needing billets because they were away from home would be the ROF at Euxton and Leyland Motors. The ROF had two dedicated hostels for their workers, but many would seek out a traditional landlady.
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As I said in my original post, Thomas Mitchell Lockyer's wartime address was in Chorley.
His aircraft took off from Heston (Middelsex) on a mission to Oostende and was possibly shot down by Ofw. Staege of 2./LG 2.
Thanks for the other interesting information Andrew.
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If the Cockermouth chap does match, his parents seem to be Samuel J Lockyer and Mabel Mitchell, who married in the district Q4 of 1911.
Mabel is with her parents at the 1911 census, but the best match for Samuel appears to have been in the Navy.
FreeBMD gives a pretty certain brother for Thomas, born 1915 in Cockermouth. There are three other possible siblings, the first born 1920 in Yarmouth, the others 1921 and 1924 in central London. I won't mention the names here in case they are still living.
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Andrew wrote......
"There is a birth of a Thomas M Lockyer in Cockermouth, Cumberland in the 4th quarter of 1913. Ideally for a Spitfire pilot, hs mother's maiden name was Mitchell."
I would imagine that is him, his middle name being Mitchell. Thanks Andrew, I hope a relative can be contacted.
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T. M. Lockyer was the fiancee of Miss Irene Arkless of Carlisle who was killed as an ATA pilot. I knew her brother-in-law who put me in touch with Tommy. He died a few years ago.
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Thanks longtown. I knew that Tommy had passed away.
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David - may I use Tommy's sketch of the spitfire in a privately printed local history book - Peter
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Most certainly, it needs to be shared.
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Grateful thanks for your permission. It will appear in An Aeronautical History of the Cumbria, Dumfries & Galloway Region Volume 3.
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Will you please post a scan.
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I certainly will.
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Hi
Tom Lockyer was my uncle. Sadly he passed away several years ago. I have a digital copy of part of his wartime diary if this is useful.
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Hello blueriff.
I would love to see a copy of your uncle POW diary, either on here or by e mail etc.
Your uncle and my father were in a pow camp together and I have drawings done by Tom in my fathers POW log which can be seen here.
http://wallyswar.wordpress.com/pow-log/
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Hi David
If you mail me I'll try attaching the docs to an email. It may be too large for an attachment, if so I'll put it in a cloud store and give you access/share details.
Cheers
Chris Lockyer
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I certainly will.
Any chance of the scan?
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I am interested in contcting the family of T.M. Lockyer, pilot of Spitfire R6598 of 1 PRU who was shot down 23/2/41 and ended up a P.O.W. at Stalag Luft III.
His wartime adress was.
8 Hamilton Road,
Chorley, Lancs.
I have information I wish to share.
I am his niece, Madeleine Lockyer and have only just seen your post, so I immediately registered with Rootschat. I look forward to hearing from you.
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Madlock I presume you were the successful bidder of the Lockyer artifacts recently sold on e bay, my interest in this is that "Tich" Lockyer and my father were POW's together. As you and Madeline are new to this site I do not think you have the privilege of sending each other messages, I believe you have to make 5 posts to be able to do this.
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Madlock,
Welcome to Rootschat!
just reply to the post twice more and you should be able to send messages :)
Heather
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Hi David,
I am Madeleine Lockyer, Tom's niece.
Sorry, but I'm a total beginner to Rootschat and communicating via forums. It was my cousin, Chris Lockyer who alerted me to the ebay auction. The description led me to a search for Wally's War and your comments on Rootschat came up on the search page, so I registered, hoping I could contact you. Unfortunately although we tried bidding, we were unsuccessful and failed to win the auction. I contacted the seller, who informed me they had bought the items from someone who had discovered them in their attic, where they had been for some thirty years. I was shocked and saddened to see Tom's personal papers being sold for profit and prior to any bids having been placed, asked the seller if they would consider either returning them to our family or passing them on to The RAF Museum. The seller politely refused as they had paid a fair price for them, but kindly sent me a photocopy of Tom's Birth Certificate. The copies that Chris has are all scans I had made of Tom's original documents which came into my possession from my father, (Tom's brother Norman) after he died. It would be interesting just to see scans of the ebay documents, but the buyer's ID seems to be hidden and strangely enough, has zero feedback. Maybe he/she is someone with another family connection who joined ebay purely because of the auction. Hope this helps to clarify my position. I would be most interested to hear your comments.
Kind regards,
Madeleine Lockyer
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Hi Heather,
Thanks for your help - I'm an absolute beginner as regards to forums. :-[
Madeleine
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Your cousin Chris and I have corresponded before about your relative Tom Lockyer, in fact it was I who told Chris about the papers being on e bay.
How frustrating for you missing out on the auction. I hope the buyer shares the information he has with you. From the information I have about Tom it seems there is a story there just waiting to be told.
My father spoke of Tom when he occasionally mentioned his time as a POW. As I recall he was known as Titch Lockyer to his compatriots.
I too had a frustrating experience with e bay. After the event I discovered my father's uniform had been sold on e bay. No matter how much begging and financial offers I resorted to making the buyer would not part with it!
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Hi David
So sorry to hear about your ebay experience. It is very painful to see your family items posted on ebay. We did ask the seller if she could ask the buyer to contact us with any photocopies of information about Tom he has purchased. Have heard nothing. Only the photocopy of his birth certificate was sent to us by the seller.
I didn't know Tom's nickname - Titch!
I thought you might like to know about the following.
Back in 2004 a friend of mine knew a wartime sailor who was interested in Tom’s experiences and after an exchange of emails with him he gave me a name of an airman in Australia by the name of Cal Younger (ex Sqr Ldr – shot down while flying a Wellington and then was a POW) who was editor of a POW Association newsletter The Kriegie. Cal networked with service men round the world and their families/friends and put many in contact with each other. He kindly put Tom’s name in the newsletter and sometime later a George Hunt from Bury, Lancs wrote to me with a photo of my Uncle Tom – George thinks it was taken when they were temporarily in Oflag XXIB (it was the same picture I already have in Tom’s Wartime Log!) They were also at Sagan. George mentioned they knew WC Maw a very good carpenter who built the wooden horse for the escape as well as a lot of the theatre and other useful items.
Also Cal is a writer and he told me of a book he had written in the early fifties about the POW experiences - obviously out of print but ironically back in 2005 I put the title in ebay and blow me a used paperback of the book was up for sale for a mere £2.50 which I bought and in it a Wing Commander Day was mentioned, the very same who is also in Tom’s Log. Fascinating book. It is called “No Flight from the Cage”. I found hardbacks on the internet as well. At the time Cal Younger had quite a few sites on the internet. Now I fear he (and George Hunt) may have passed away. But maybe other people are involved in the newsletter now. I have just checked on the net and there was a relaunch of the book in July 2013 and the book is available again.
Hope the above is of some interest.
All the best
Madeleine
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Hi all,
I stumbled across this forum whilst researching Irene Arckless. I am researching those who were killed in the Air Transport Auxiliary for a proposed book. I am interested in any background on Irene and details of her engagement to Thomas Lockyer, I believe they knew each other from childhood.
I have tried to trace any surviving family of Irene but so far I have drawn a blank.
I very much look forward to hearing from you.
Jim
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I am the niece of the above who was killed whilst serving in the ATA. Someone was looking for information concerning her re research for a book. Happy to be contacted.
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Hi there and welcome to Rootschat.
topics have been merged
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Many thanks for the prompt Shaun,
I will message her back.
Jim
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As a she's a new member a PM may not work
"Please note: If you are sending PMs to new members who have less than three posts you will receive an error message, that your limit, or allowed number has been reached. (note that it says your limit, although it actually refers to the recipient.) "
http://www.rootschat.com/help/pms.php
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Hi, it was me who posted regarding Irene Arckless. I have private messaged you but Shaun has just pointed out that as you are a new user you will probably not receive it.
If you reply to this post twice I will private message my email address (unless of course the first got through and you have it already!).
Looking forward to communicating.
Jim
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Hi Jim,
Pleased to make contact. Hope I can be of help.
Sue
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Hi Sue,
I very much look forward to communicating.
Jim
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Hello All,
I'm new to this forum having come across it by chance. I note that there are some messages from relatives of the late Tom Lockyer. I have information in which they might be interested.
I'm not sure how I can make direct contact but if somebody could advise me I'll happily get in touch.
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A warm welcome to Rootschat Michobb!
When you have made a couple more posts, you will be able to send and receive private messages to people. Just reply to this post a couple of times.
Hopefully, all the people who have replied to the post will have been notified that a new post has been made.
Heather
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Well done, need at least a couple more.
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Just a reminder of the invitation for the relatives of the late Tom Lockyer to get in touch :o
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I have notified a nephew of this post via Facebook.
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Thank you
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Hi Michobb
I'm the late Tom Lockyers nephew. Do you have contact details?
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You have a PM
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He may not have enough post to enjoy PM privileges. If you hear nothing I can act as a conduit.
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Hi, I am researching Irene Arckless and wondered if you could contact me
Best wishes, Jo
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Hi, I am researching Irene Arckless and wondered if you could contact me
Best wishes, Jo
I am Irene Arckless's niece. A showcase about her and Tommy Lockyer has just gone on display at the Maidenhead Heritage centre where they have an exhibition celebrating the 80th anniversary of the ATA. The museum curator would appreciate any further information on the couple to add to their records. I believe you would probably have the most up to date information from the research you did for your book if you would be willing to share that.
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There is a new specific website for the ATA being developed by the Maidenhead Heritage centre www.atamuseum.org Any information on Irene Arckless, Tommy Lockyer or indeed any ATA pilot would be gratefully received.
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Hi and welcome to Rootschat Muffin...you may already have it but this article was in the Liverpool Daily Echo dated Jan 5th 1943.
Carol
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Hi and welcome to Rootschat Muffin...you may already have it but this article was in the Liverpool Daily Echo dated Jan 5th 1943.
Carol
Hello Carol. Many thanks for this and, no, I hadn't already seen this article. It is amazing how much information is out there. I am keen to put a story together for Renee and Tommy so it is recorded in the ATA museum archives. Although I am Renee's niece I don't know the full story about the couple although I am finding out a lot from the internet. Renee died before I was born but my father, Oswald Buglass [ who met Renee at the Border Flying Club Carlisle] did take me to meet Tommy Lockyer some years ago. Thanks again. Dyan
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T.Lockyer
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Lockyer on the right. His pals called him "Tich."
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Many thanks. I only have two photos of Tommy in my possession so it is interesting to see these. I am trying to find out where and when Tommy Lockyer and Renee Arckless met. I believe they were both members of the Border Flying Club in Carlisle but don't know if this is where they first met. I would also like to know when Tommy died. Thanks again. Dyan