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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Ross & Cromarty => Topic started by: amh155 on Monday 30 August 10 04:40 BST (UK)
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Hello,
I am new to this forum and hope someone can help with my enquiry. Are there any death or burial records for Melvaig? The LDS reel for Gairloch has no burials. Also are there any records for Lochcarron & Lochbroom prior to 1819 and 1810 respectively?
I have McGregors married to McRaes and Chisholms, and want to find parents names to prove links. Any help or contact with a fellow researcher would be wonderful.
Cheers from 'down under'
Ann
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Hi Ann :)
The OPR listings from the GRO for Scotland shows the available records for each parish.
here are the ones for the Rossshire parishes:
http://www.scotlandspeoplehub.gov.uk/pdf/list-of-oprs-57to119.pdf
Gadget
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Hi Ann,
I assume you are looking for Melvaig death records for McGregors, McRaes and Chisholms prior to 1855. In the booklet I have not many appear:
LAIDE BURIAL GROUND
0 McGregor 0 McRae 0 Chisholm
POOLEWE OLD BURIAL GROUND
0 McGregor 0 McRae 0 Chisholm
GAIRLOCH OLD BURIAL GROUND
0 McGregor
1 McRae - Flora McRae d 25.6.1853
1 Chisholm - by Simon Chisholm, father Murdoch Chisholm d Cornhill, Kerrisdale 13.2.1852 aged 62 years.
KINLOCHEWE OLD BURIAL GROUND
1 McGregor - Catherine McGregor d 21.12.1863 (husband Farquhar McLennan)
1 McRae - by Farquhar McRae, mother Catherine, d 4.4.1830 aged 23 years.
Those seem to be all the burial grounds that existed in Gairloch before 1855.
In Lochcarron the booklet has 8 headstones for McRaes, 5 for McGregors and 0 for Chisholms. If you can give the names of the McRaes and McGregors you are looking for in Lochcarron, maybe something appears.
Back to Melvaig (Gairloch is where I've researched the most), there were not so many McGregor families, actually less than 20 in all Gairloch I'd say in the 1841 census. And only one McGregor family appears in Melvaig itself:
JOHN 40 Tenant
FLORA 40
DUNCAN 10
Post the names of the McGregors from Melvaig you are searching for, and what time period, and I might be able to find something.
Cheers,
Francisco
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Hello Gadget,
Thank you very much for your reply and the info. Looks like the deaths are non-existent for Gairloch.
Cheers,
Ann
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Hi again Francisco,
I didn't realise you had both replies, I was so thrilled to get just one, let alone two.
The John and Flora McGregor you mention are my family. Flora was a Chisholm. John was born about 1802 and died in Melvaig in 1872 age 70. He lived at Croft 12, parents Duncan McGregor & Isabella McRae. He was born at Lochcarron. On the 1851 census Duncan Moffat is listed as a nephew with John & Flora (son of his sister Margaret). Flora died 1877.
John's sister Margaret was my ggggrandmother as already mentioned. She was born in Lochcarron about 1783 with parents Duncan and Ann (according to her death record from Scotlands People) and married James Moffat. With such a difference in age I wondered if Duncan married twice, and Ann was his first wife and died in Lochcarron.
Otherwise there would be several more children to find.
Now Flora Chisholm's parents were Alexander Chisholm and Mary McRae and I wonder if Mary & Isabella are related (sisters?)
I'm interested in the McRae's as my John McRae just appears in the Clan History with no mention who his parents were, and I wonder if he could be connected to these McRae's at Gairlochor a family in Lochcarron. His son Donald married Elizabeth Moffat, daughter of Margaret (McGregor) in 1829 after the McRae & Moffat families moved to Glengarry.
I hope you can follow this. Any thoughts will be greatly appreciated.
Bye for now,
Ann
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Hi Ann,
Unfortunately I don't have much access to information and records from Lochcarron, although I do have some ancestors from there, including some side branches with McRaes. And in Glengarry I have nothing.
Your link to Gairloch is clearly Flora Chisholm. I assume you have her marriage to John McGregor, 28 JUL 1825 in Gairloch. It's in the OPR (in between two of my family members), but there's no additional info, except the reference to Melvaig.
If you are working on that Chisholm line, next door to John & Flora in 1841 you will find a brother of Flora, John Chisholm. Here's what I have from the census + additional info about that family:
John Chisholm 40 (He married Catherine Urquhart 11 JAN 1823 and later married Margaret MacKenzie 14 FEB 1831; he died 23 MAR 1885, aged 85)
Margaret Chisholm 35 (d 30 JUN 1895 in Melvaig, age 84)
Janet Chisholm 15 (Daughter of John's first wife, Catherine. She married John Urquhart and died 27 MAR 1864)
Alexander Chisholm 8 (Born 31 JAN 1832)
Roderick Chisholm 3 (Married Catherine McRae 20 JAN 1870, died 2 FEB 1925 in Melvaig)
The couple had at least 3 more children:
Kenneth: Apparently born 4 SEP 1834 (don't know why he doesn't appear in the 1841 census), married Isabella MacKenzie, he died 29 AUG 1911.
Margaret: Died young in 1857.
William: Born 24 NOV 1841
This Chisholm line was in Melvaig at least until the 1940's, maybe even until today!
Best luck,
Francisco
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Hi Francisco,
Thank you once again for the info. I found a Kenneth as Kenth age 7 in 1841 with McPherson widow and Ann Chisholm (widow). Could this be your missing Kenneth. Your Kenneth was the informant on the death of John McGregor in 1872, listed as neighbour.
I'd love to be able to sort out the McRaes. I wish Scotlands People was on subscription, I'd get all the deaths to link them to parents and see where they fit in the bigger picture. But for the moment I'll keep tracking the McGregors.
Bye for now,
Ann
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Hi
Just wondering if you could help me. I am looking for any information on a Donald Urquhart who married an Issabella McGregor they lived near Poolewe. Have not been able to find anything on the families. I am not sure where to find any burial records for them. They were born in the early 1770's.
Also, another family is the Chisholms. I have a Christina Chisholm who married a Kenneth Urquhart in 1828 in Gairloch. Christina's fathers name was Roderick and her mothers maiden name was Christina or Christian??
if you could help with any information it would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks
Aussielost (Kerry)
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Hi Kerry,
I couldn't find much on your families. But this could be the Urquhart/McGregor family in 1841 (with an interesting Chisholm connection):
1841 Census
Nasd, Poolewe
Donald URQUHART 65 Tenant
Isabel 60
Duncan 26
Catherine 20
Ann CHISHOLM 12 Female servant
Cheers,
Kiko
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Hi Kerry,
I had a bit of a dig about as well, and don't know how much of this you have already.
There is a tree on Ancestry that I have checked and it's mostly right. Please let me know if you can't get access to that.
Kenneth Urquhart and Christina migrated to NSW in 1839 on "James Moran" with children Kenneth, Donald, Alexander & JOhn. Then had Christina & Isabel here in NSW. There is more info if you need it.
It looks like Christina had siblings Duncan b abt 1811, John 1815 & Donald 1825 (ages from 1841 census) . Roderick & Christy Chisholm are at Ormiscaig in 1841 with the three sons
Kenneth had a sister Ann born abt 1797 died 25 Sep 1883 age 85 at Smithstown South Gairloch. Her brother Duncan was the informant on the death. It says her father Donald was a woollen weaver. Ann was married to John Chisholm a fisherman, who was deceased in 1883
Hope this makes sense and is of some help.
Cheers,
Ann
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Hi Ann,
I can't be of any help with your research but I am interested in your post to Kerry. You have a Roderick Chisholm and wife Christy (M.S. Macgregor) from Ormiscaig.
I have a Hector Mackenzie (Mellon Udrigle) married Catherine Chisholm (Ormiscaig) 4th march 1836, Catherine was born about 1810 and her parents were Roderick Chisholm and Christy (M.S. Macgregor).
I also have a Roderick Maciver (Inverasdale) married Margaret Chisholm 18th April 1832, Margaret was also born about 1810 and her parents were Roderick Chisholm and Christina (M.S. Macgregor).
Maybe you might know if they were both from this same family, I have assumed that they were but have no confirmation of it.
Cheers GMac
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Hi GMac,
I apologise to have taken so long to reply.
I've checked my info here over the past few days, for Roderick Chisholm & Christy McGregor. I believe Margaret is definitely a daughter with brothers Duncan, John & Donald. But even though Catherine is shown with the same parents on the burial record, I haven't been able to find any other proof she is a daughter as well. It seems likely, and I didn't find anything to disprove it, but they lived quite a way from the other family members.
I couldn't find Hectors death, but it was between 1881 and 1891 censuses, most likely at Opinan as well.
You seem to have the marriage record saying Catherine was from Ormiscaig, which makes it possible Catherine is a sister as well.
I had hoped to be of more help, and wish you well with your research. PLease don't hesitate to contact me again if you think I can be of more help.
Regards,
Ann
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Hi Ann,
Thanks for your help, I had given up but got a little excited when I read your post.
I should explain the connection.
My Grandparents were John Mackenzie (Mellon Udrigle) married Mary Maciver (Inverasdale) on 2/4/1891 in Gairloch.
Catherine was Johns mother.
Margaret was Marys grandmother.
Close family I know, but I am happy with that.
Thanks again for your help Ann,
Cheers GMac
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Just wanted to say thankyou to you all for finding this information. Has helped a great deal.
Would anyone know how I would go finding out where people would have been buried at if they lived in Poolewe or Naast?? I have a Donald Urquhart married to Isabella McGregor. They were living in a croft in Naast I think no 111 or 12. When I visited there last year I searched the graveyard but could not find a headstone.
Just a question to GMac as well. Does this look like we could be related???? Through Roderick and Christy.
Regards
Kerry
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Hi Kerry,
It certainly appears that Christina Chisholm is a sister to my G Grandmother Catherine (Same parents names and same locality. Ormiscaig )
So this would make Christina my G G Aunt.
Cheers GMac
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hi I was wondering if you have any information on MacNicol family from Melvaig I know the gaelic name is Seonaid Nic Neacail she was young when she was involved with the clearances, her father's name is Angus and has brothers Angus, Callum and Fionn or Fingal, this is my friends family and I have been trying for years off and on to find this family Seonaid's testimony of the clearances can be found online any help would be appreciated thanks Lesley
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Hi, I'm searching for a William MacGregor in a haystack. It seems like a long shot, but here goes. I have bits and pieces and have been pointed to many of the names mentioned here, John McGregor & Flora Chisholm in particular. My William was born about 1860 and was a cabinet maker by trade. He came to NYC about 1886. The family that I was pointed to (in the 1861 census) 14 St Catherine St, Banff, Banffshire, Duncan & Flora McGregor, (in the 1881 census) was Duncan & Flora McGregor, , 8 Killermont St, Barony, Lanark. Duncan is likely the Son of John & Flora? Anyone have a William that vanishes about 1886? Thanks! Joe
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Hi guys I have been out of the picture due to illness.
Just wanted to thank you all for posting info very helpful.
The census document with
Donald and Isabella Urquhart. This also has Ann Chisholm. I believe she is their grand daughter. Her parents were John Chisholm and Ann Urquhart.
I will have a bit of info Ann that I will go through and get back to you.
While I'm here there are deaths and marriages I can't find in this area??
Marriage of Donald Urquhart to Isabella McGregor.
The birth of Donald Urquhart to Kenneth Urquhart and Helen Fraser.
The marriage of Kenneth Urquhart to Helen Fraser.
If families or people moved into an area from somewhere else in Scotland was there a document created or needed or did the Parish have to discuss whether they were allowed to stay??
I have been looking everywhere and not finding much. Can anyone help please??
Thanks Everyone
Kerry
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Found on the internet today, but posted in 2012
Re: Kenneth Urquhart and Christina Chisholm - Gairloch, Ross And Cromarty, Scotland
By Stanley George (Stan) Urquhart January 24, 2012 at 01:16:19
In reply to: Re: Kenneth Urquhart and Christina Chisholm - Gairloch, Ross And Cromarty, Scotland
Karlene Jones 9/08/11
Hi,I have not been on this site for a number of years but have just looked at it again and found people enquiring about my Urquhart family.I am the Stan Urquhart who compiled the book "The Urquhart Brothers from Naust"should have been spelt Naast.This was 20 odd years back and I carried out my research the hard way before internet.I read many books, one of the most interesting being "The Highland Clearances by John Peebles.It covers the clearance of farmers from the farms.This is the period my Urquharts moved to the coast around Naast in the western Highlands.
Kenneth Urquhartand his wife Christina Chisholm came to Australia from Naast in 1839.Kenneth was the son of Donald Urquhart and Isobella McGregor,an old family bible suggests that Donald was the son of Kenneth Urquhart and Helen Fraser.
In the late 1700's teh Mckenzies moved people from their land in Urquhart and Logie wester to their lands in the area of Gairloch and Poolwee.In 1802 Donald was living at Kinlochewe about 20k south of Poolewe.In 1807 the family was living at Inversdale and by 1810 the family was living at Naast.
My dad always said 2 brothers went to Canada and 2 came to Australia.Kenneth came here in 1839 and then moved to New Zealand with his family in 1855.Two of his eldest sons returned to Australia and the others remained in New Zealand.Kenneth's brother Donald moved to New Zealand in his latter life.I do not know anything of the brothers who supposedly moved to Canada.
Since doing the book I have been able to make contact with related members of the Urquhart family who come from Naast and some are still living there .