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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Denbighshire => Wales => Denbighshire Lookup Requests => Topic started by: JoanneB on Monday 30 August 10 17:08 BST (UK)
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Hello,
I have only recently found my Gt Grandfather after a long, long time, hooray!
He was Edward Roberts born 1849 Llanarmon, and was a Butcher. I have him on the 1871, 1881, and 1891 censuses, I think he died shortly after that. On the 1871 and the 1881 he is said to have been born in Llanarmon, on the 1891 it says born Llansilin. I also have his marriage certificate 1870 married to a Martha Evans where his father is listed as Thomas Roberts a Butcher. I have not found them on the 1851 or the 1861 censuses which would have helped me progress.
Is there anyone who has access to records for this area who could help me?
Best Wishes
JoanneB
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Hi
It sounds as it it was Llanarmon Dyffryn Ceiriog in Denbighshire. It's only a few miles over the hills to Llansilin.
I'll check what I've got as some of my ancestors (Roberts!) came from that area.
Gadget
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On the 1851, there is a family in Llanarmon Dyffryn Ceiriog that might be yours. Thomas is a Shepherd, though
Nant y Glog, Llanarmon DC, Denbighshire
HO107/2509/62/4
Roberts
Thomas, 31, shepherd,
Margaret, 28
Thomas, 5
Edwd, 2
All down as being born Denbighshire
I'm having to go through my sources manually rather than with an index so it will take a while
Gadget
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Now this is interesting ~
On the next page and next door to the other family, is this family:
Nant y Glog, Llanarmon DC
HO107/2509/62/5
Roberts
Thomas, 62, Butcher
Ann, 65
Edward, 36, Rag Burner (?)
All b. Denbighshire
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Hello Gadget,
Thank you so much for helping me, and it does indeed look very interesting. Possibly my Gt Grandfather, Gt Gt Grandfather and Gt Gt Gt Grandfather!!! I am quite excited about this.
I looked again at Edward's marriage certificate to see if the witnesses matched any of the names, but no luck. Researching the Roberts name is difficult there are so many, and looking on Freebmd for Edward's birth, I am unsure of what would be considered a good bet. Do you think Corwen for the registration district?
Best Wishes
JoanneB
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Hi Joanne
Yes, it would be Corwen. Do you know that he was definitely born in 1849? Also, what religion they were?
If they were Church of England/Wales, Paul, one of our really helpful members, might be able to find a baptism for you :)
Gadget
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I see that Edward spent his adult life in Llangollen and was down as a brewer in the 1881
This just might be the marriage of Thomas, Senior, in Llanarmon:
8 January 1813 Thomas Roberts and Ann Jones both of the parish, by Banns. witnessses David Hughes and Thomas Lewis
It's not for certain though and need to check up the marriage of Thomas jnr.
In 1841 Thomas, snr, is here:
Nat y glog, Llanarmon DC
HO107/1399/7/5/2
Roberts
Thomas, 50, butcher
Ann, 55
Edward 26, Ag lab
David, 14
Mariah, 9
All b. County
and it looks like Thomas Roberts, jnr, is already away from his parents, working as a Male Servant
Pen y Bryn, Llanarmon DC
HO107/1399/7/6/3
Thomas Roberts, 20, MS, b. County
Gadget
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Hello Bridget :)
I couldn't see a baptism for Edward Robert or any children to a Thomas Roberts(Butcher) in Llanarmon Dyffryn Ceiriog 1840/1860 :(
Paul.
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Hello Gadget,
Thank you for all your hard work, I know how long it can take doing these searches.
Yes on the 1881 he was down as a brewer (I think a relative was a brewer at that time), but on the other 2 censuses he was listed as a butcher. My grandfather was also a butcher.
On Edward's marriage certificate he was aged 21 in August 1870 so that is confirmation that his birth year is 1849. Regarding religion I have always thought CofE as I know my grandfather and other family all were.
Thomas Jun. (father) is a butcher on Edward's marriage certificate in 1870 so if this is the family he wasn't always a shepherd.
The first name 'Austin' is a Roberts family name but I haven't come across it on any census yet except the 1911. I only mention it because it is less common that some of the other names.
The perfect outcome would be Edward's birth/baptism in 1849 in Llanarmon father Thomas a Butcher It's never that easy is it... Best Wishes Joanne
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Hello Paul,
Re:Edward Roberts and Thomas Roberts
Thank you for looking through the records for me., much appreciated.
Best Wishes
Joanne
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Hi again Joanne :)
Does it say anything about Thomas being deceased on the 1870 marriage cert?
Also, who were the witnesses and what address did Edward give?
I'm assuming that they were married at St Collen's (I was confirmed there :) )
Gadget
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Good morning Gadget,
I wanted to send you a copy of Edward's marriage certificate, but when I clicked 'attach' there was no option to download. I will have to check out how to do it later.
Residence just says Llangollen
It does not say deceased for Thomas
Marriage after Banns
Witnesses Thomas Platt and Emily ?
Church Rhosymedre, Rhuabon
Martha Evans his wife was baptised in Llansantffraid, Glyn Ceiriog
Joanne
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Hi Joanne
You can't post attachments on look up boards. It's to prevent any copyright issues arising.
I've just looked at my Rhosymedre records and it has the marriage as 1st August 1870. Edwards was 21 and a butcher and Martha was 25. Fathers - Thomas Roberts, butcher and Edward Hughes, tailor. I presume the same that you have.
Pity about the address. I'll have another look for Thomas, the butcher, but so far no luck around Llanarmon/Llansilin 1861-1871 :-\
Gadget
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Hello Gadget,
Thank you for that. When I saw 'Attach a photogragh or image' at the bottom of the message area, I could not work out why I couldn't. Yes, thats the right marriage.
Just to let you know, I am away Thursday and Friday as it's my granddaughter's birthday.
Bye for now
Joanne
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have an enjoyable time :)
The North Wales BMD
http://www.northwalesbmd.org.uk/births.html
have a few possibles for an Edward Roberts:
Corwen
1848 Local Ref - Crwn/04/42
1849 Local Ref - Crwn/04/68
1850 Local Ref - Crwn/05/26
Llansilin
1848 Local Ref - Silin/03/10
1850 Local Ref - Silin/03/56
Local Ref numbers are only applicable to the specific Local Office
All these records are at Wrexham Borough Council
http://www.wrexham.gov.uk/english/life_events/bereavement/register_office.htm
Gives tel no., address and how to apply
You could ask them to do a check for father's name, etc.
Gadget
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Thank you very much, I have made a note of everything and I will get in touch with Northwalesbmd and Wrexham when I get back.
Joanne
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hello Joanne b
I think my family tree could be connected to yours , would be great to hear back from you and see if we are connected ..
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Do I need to make a new thread for this post as it is old .?
, I have the same family tree and would like to get back further , but I don't have any parish records for llanarmon dc ..
Thank you
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Do I need to make a new thread for this post as it is old .?
, I have the same family tree and would like to get back further , but I don't have any parish records for llanarmon dc ..
Thank you
Hi,
It might be a good idea to start your own thread. JoanneB hasn't been on line since 2011
Happy New Year
Good Luck
Sandra ;D