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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Norfolk => Topic started by: Mofamily on Friday 03 September 10 18:06 BST (UK)
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I wonder if anyone has a theory of how this could be.
My gg grandfather George Bullen b: 1853 Stow Bedon, Norfolk moved to the North East to work in the mines together with other members of his family. His father was Simon b: 1767 and his mother Mary Faux b: 1779, his mother probably being Elizabeth b: 1745.
However, since I was a child I've been told we were related to Anne Boleyn, but bearing in mind they seem to be of humble means, could they be related to Anne Boleyn or is this just too far fetched and my family are making up stories.
Any thoughts on the matter would be appreciated and any information to take the family further back would also be appreciated.
Mo
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Though i have no direct information, I would think it is certainly possible there is a connection, for at least the following reasons: 1) Many families have rich and poor branches who for some reason have fallen on hard times. 2) In the case of the Bullen or Boleyn family I seem to recall that Anne's father was attainted traitor by Henry VIII after her execution, if I am right then the family would lose all its land and property to the crown.3) Your ancestors come from the right part of England. What I would do is research the Boleyn family on the internet as far forwards as possible, and then research my own family back as far as possible, who knows the two might meet.
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If you go to this web site
www.doun.org/transcritpions/surnames you will be able to trace your family history there and there are some Bullens/Boleyn
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I'm sure one of the things that the rather grand Howard family (his in-laws) always held against Thomas Boleyn or Bullen was that he came from very humble stock - in Norfolk.
He was extremely upwardly mobile (the yuppie of his day) but I'm sure I read his grandfather or gr. or gr.gr. grandfather was an Ag Lab (happens in the best families)
I don't think its impossible at all, Mo. Why not? A country family in Norfolk probably had a lot of children, and will have spread branches all over in the intervening centuries. If you ever did trace it all you might find you were the xx cousin, xxx times removed.
The trick is going to be proving it! Precisely because Thomas Bullen came from quite humble stock you are searching parish records back and hoping that there are no breaks. He's not a 'gateway ancestor' - that would be Anne's mother's side.
I think Roger's advice is the best way to do it - find out what you can about Thomas Bullen and his family, and at the same time track yours back. You never know, do you? Good luck, and please do keep telling us what you find, and post here when you hit brick walls - the people here are the best and most generous help you'll get anywhere.
p.s. are the dates you posted correct? If your great grandfather George was born in 1853, Simon and Mary would have been in their 70s and 80s when he was born. Is there a generation missing?
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1861 census:
Stow Bedon, Norfolk
George Bullen, age 8
Parents:
Henry age 40, Ag Lab
Sarah, age 40
Children:
Daniel 14, Charles 11, John 10, George, then Benjamin 5, Eliza 3
then Henry's mother, Mary, age 82. Could she be your Mary Faux, George's grandmother not his mother? The poor lady is described as an 'out door' pauper.
the best thing is that the whole family, including Mary, was born in Stow Bedon so if you track them back through the 1851 and 1841 census you may pick up Henry's father (? possibly your Simon) and from there hope that they all used the church for baptisms, marriages and burials, and that the parish records are still intact.
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Henry Bullen
Baptised Stoke Bedon, 21 May 1820
Parents:
Simon and Mary Bullen
Henry had an elder brother: James, baptised 31 July 1815.
There are some records coming up for more than one Mary Faux, or Mary Fawkes, in Norfolk, but that wouldn't be the Bullen side anyway. I can't see a birth for Simon coming up instantly I'm afraid,
So far, so good - you just missed Henry. Only just over 300 years to go...
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1841 census:
Stoke Bedon, Norfolk
Simon Bullen, 74 Ag Lab, born Norfolk
Mary, his wife, age 62
Henry (transcribed as Henery) is 20
Robert 5 (not sure whose son he is)
- and your bonus in this one is Elizabeth Faux, age 86.
Mo, in all seriousness this is really good. OK, there was one generation missing but everything your family told you about Simon, Mary, and Elizabeth has turned out to be correct. That bodes very well for the rest of the story. Word of warning though - there is another family of Bullens, headed by James Bullen on the same census sheet. This is a small area and the Bullens look to be a big family who have probably been there a lot of generations.
Even if you are able to go back that far and link your line to that of Thomas, you will probably find you are one of many many distant relatives in a very widespread clan.
That doesn't mean it won't be brilliant fun finding out!
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Thanks everyone for your input.
I did in fact have Henry James Bullen Bapt 21.5.1820 St Botolphs Church and Sarah Peck b: 1820 Middlesex as George's parents, but got over excited when doing the post and mentioned his grandparents instead. Sorry :-[
However, this Elizabeth Faux aged 86 is a new one. I had come across an Elizabeth, but thought it may have been Simon's mother not Mary's but just left it as a "possible".
Henry James Bullen b: 1820 did have a brother called James b: 1815. James and his family moved to the North East as well before my g g grandad and his brother's did.
Thanks for the website address clairelouise, but I couldn't understand what I was looking at. Clicked on the Bullen surname and it said not found!! What is this site? Looked a bit strange. Or is that me. ;D
Thanks Mo
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Hi if you go onto the site and go to surnames and then click on the letter the surname begins with, then scroll down until you find the surname your looking for.
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sorry ignore the message I put above this one and try this...
http://www.doun.org/transcriptions/index.php
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That transcription site looks potentially useful, despite the name I am interested in being Burton (1771entries). Regarding the Bullens (Boleyns), remember that the events which led to Anne's execution took place a few years prior to the introduction of Parish registers, so her birth or that of her siblings and parents are not going to be there to find.You will need a known surviving sibling, and then , if the registers start early enough, you might find his family and descendants etc. As has already been said, difficult, but well worth a try for the fun.
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Hi
Thanks. Looked at the transcriptions index now. What a great site. Unfortunately, the list of Bullens hasn't thrown up any known rellies, but on the Carbrooke link I found my g g Uncle Dan (Daniel Bullen b: 1846) at the Carbrooke Mill Drift Post Mill. He was my g g Grandad's (George) brother and he lived until he was 105 - and worked until that age.
Mo
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Just thinking - of the 3 children of Thomas Boleyn:
George Boleyn was beheaded before having any children (though with his poisonous wife, Jane Parker, he probably still wouldn't have had children had he lived to 100+)
Anne's only child was Queen Elizabeth I who herself died without children
Mary bore a child to Henry VIII, and more children after her marriage. They all had the surname Carey
so presumably what you are looking for is a cousin or brother of Thomas Boleyn to attach your line to
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It would have to be one or the other, or at least a grandchild of one of these for the research to stand any chance of success. Firstly I would establish how far back the records go, and proceed from there. Recently I asked whether there were any pre 1538 Parish Registers, the answer was that there are a very few. Thomas Cromwell must have got the idea from somewhere. You may be lucky; additonally other medieval records, manorial etc. may survive. Again worth a search.
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Dan Bullen was a well known figure around my area, he lived till 105 yrs old, at one time joined his brothers in Durham to work in the mines. when returning home he became a miller and hired a corn mill on the Carbrooke - Caston boundry. after which he farmed at Carbrooke both arable and stock. The farm still carries the name " Bullens Farm", Dan Bullen died on the 26th Feb 1951 he is buried at Stow Bedon along side some of his family members ,. Would you like a picture of his grave?.
Some years ago I did have contact with a chap who was working on his and the same family connection of Bullen & Boleyn..
If you go to my web site click on " Broadflash" you wil see a picture of Dan working at the grand old age of 100.
Hi
Thanks. Looked at the transcriptions index now. What a great site. Unfortunately, the list of Bullens hasn't thrown up any known rellies, but on the Carbrooke link I found my g g Uncle Dan (Daniel Bullen b: 1846) at the Carbrooke Mill Drift Post Mill. He was my g g Grandad's (George) brother and he lived until he was 105 - and worked until that age.
Mo
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Hi Blue spirit
I would love :) a photo of Dan's Grave. That would be brilliant.
I have actually already been on the Broadflash site and found the photo of Dan and it says that Dorothy is his daughter, but it was was my understanding that she is his grandaughter (Dorothy Bird). Or have I got this wrong. There is a lot of confusion as to whom he married. I have three wives - Minnie Tottman, Anna Maria Webster and Octavia Gertrude Godfrey - and the children are a real confusion. Not even sure if he had any when in the North East as he was obviously there in between census. (mind you when you reach 105 and are still working you are bound to get through a lot of wives ;D)
Do you have an old photo of the farm?
Any more info would be fantastic. Thanks.
Mo
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Thanks Maggie1895 and Redroger
Thanks for your thoughts on the matter.
I rather fancy my line of Bullens coming from one of Geoffrey Bullen's (Lord Mayor of London) brothers - don't know why :-\ A gut feeling.
May take years to unravel - if ever ???
Mo
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Correct grandaughter not daughter, miss spelling on my behalf. Uncanny, as i remember there was a little confussion on Dans wifes, i will try to find out more.
I performed a annual photo show of my collection of old photos at our local church, all seats were taken. two of the people who came along were the great grandaughters to Dan.
I will place photos in your PM box.
regards
Hi Blue spirit
I would love :) a photo of Dan's Grave. That would be brilliant.
I have actually already been on the Broadflash site and found the photo of Dan and it says that Dorothy is his daughter, but it was was my understanding that she is his grandaughter (Dorothy Bird). Or have I got this wrong. There is a lot of confusion as to whom he married. I have three wives - Minnie Tottman, Anna Maria Webster and Octavia Gertrude Godfrey - and the children are a real confusion. Not even sure if he had any when in the North East as he was obviously there in between census. (mind you when you reach 105 and are still working you are bound to get through a lot of wives ;D)
Do you have an old photo of the farm?
Any more info would be fantastic. Thanks.
Mo
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Thanks Blue Spirit
The photos are brilliant :), including John Webster Bullen (I take it that is his son and brother of Mary Ann Webster Bullen. Do you know if they were his children or Anna Maria Webster's (his wife) children from a previous marriage or just used her maiden name as a middle name. I've also got a Daniel Lock Bullen, a Bertha Agnes Bullen and a Polly. Are they his kids too ??? Couldn't quite work it out :-\
Mo
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Not to sure to be honest as i have not followed the family that much, however as you probly know the name Webster is most likly the name of the female line, as there are plenty of Webster in Stow Bedon..
I have found another lady from NC USA who has a direct interest in the family, i have emailed to ask her if its ok to forward her address to you, i am awaiting a reply...
also sent you another PM....
Thanks Blue Spirit
The photos are brilliant :), including John Webster Bullen (I take it that is his son and brother of Mary Ann Webster Bullen. Do you know if they were his children or Anna Maria Webster's (his wife) children from a previous marriage or just used her maiden name as a middle name. I've also got a Daniel Lock Bullen, a Bertha Agnes Bullen and a Polly. Are they his kids too ??? Couldn't quite work it out :-\
Mo
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Hi Blue Spirit
Thanks again for the last PM. It just keeps getting better :)
However, regarding the contact in NC USA - I would love to share family knowledge with this lady (as I have an incline as to which line she comes from and it's really exciting), but would prefer to do it via Rootschat rather than direct e-mail contact. Is that possible?
Thanks Mo
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As i understand she does not use Rootschat, Iam not sure why you would not want to contact her via email...
I will pass your message on..
Hi Blue Spirit
Thanks again for the last PM. It just keeps getting better :)
However, regarding the contact in NC USA - I would love to share family knowledge with this lady (as I have an incline as to which line she comes from and it's really exciting), but would prefer to do it via Rootschat rather than direct e-mail contact. Is that possible?
Thanks Mo
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Hi
My 4xgreat grandmother was Mary Bullen, born around 1770 in Norfolk. Havn't got further back than that, but have also long wondered the same whether there might be a link to Anne Boleyn's family, as they were from the area, and more commonly referred to as 'Bullen' in their own time. I shall watch this thread with interest maybe we can link them all up!
Re Thomas Cromwell and the parish registers, some registers in France go back to the 1330's so if he got the idea anywhere maybe from there. That said as I understand it the reason they ordered records to be kept at this point of all personal church ceremonies baptism, marriages burials, was to keep check who was complying with the new religion C of E, and who was not, and no doubt as ever tax was an issue, knowing who was who and where. Henry VIII's treasury was near bankrupt at the time I think, I'm sure I read this is why Cromwell and his lot wanted to strip the church and monastries of their lands and wealth for the crown.
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Correct Richarde, Henry, in common with many other late Medieval and early Modern Monarchs was always broke. It was something to do with their life style, and their ambitions.Though I have no known French connections, apart from a possible Hugenot name (Moule) on my mother's side, your statement about parish register commencing in France in the early 14th century will no doubt be extremely useful to other researchers.
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Hi
My 4xgreat grandmother was Mary Bullen, born around 1770 in Norfolk. Havn't got further back than that, but have also long wondered the same whether there might be a link to Anne Boleyn's family, as they were from the area, and more commonly referred to as 'Bullen' in their own time. I shall watch this thread with interest maybe we can link them all up!
Re Thomas Cromwell and the parish registers, some registers in France go back to the 1330's so if he got the idea anywhere maybe from there. That said as I understand it the reason they ordered records to be kept at this point of all personal church ceremonies baptism, marriages burials, was to keep check who was complying with the new religion C of E, and who was not, and no doubt as ever tax was an issue, knowing who was who and where. Henry VIII's treasury was near bankrupt at the time I think, I'm sure I read this is why Cromwell and his lot wanted to strip the church and monastries of their lands and wealth for the crown.
I Richarde. It would be great to link your Bullens with my Bullens. Where do they originate from? Mine were from Stow Bedon. I don't appear to have a Mary b: 1770, but I do have a Simon b: 1767. Maybe they knew each other. Who knows?
Good luck
Mo
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Dan Bullen was a well known figure around my area, he lived till 105 yrs old, at one time joined his brothers in Durham to work in the mines. when returning home he became a miller and hired a corn mill on the Carbrooke - Caston boundry. after which he farmed at Carbrooke both arable and stock. The farm still carries the name " Bullens Farm", Dan Bullen died on the 26th Feb 1951 he is buried at Stow Bedon along side some of his family members ,. Would you like a picture of his grave?.
Some years ago I did have contact with a chap who was working on his and the same family connection of Bullen & Boleyn..
If you go to my web site click on " Broadflash" you wil see a picture of Dan working at the grand old age of 100.
Hi
Thanks. Looked at the transcriptions index now. What a great site. Unfortunately, the list of Bullens hasn't thrown up any known rellies, but on the Carbrooke link I found my g g Uncle Dan (Daniel Bullen b: 1846) at the Carbrooke Mill Drift Post Mill. He was my g g Grandad's (George) brother and he lived until he was 105 - and worked until that age.
Mo
How about this for Dan Bullen. I came across it a while back. It is a quote from a children's newspaper:-
Children at work - Few people can have had a working life of 98 year, but that was the record of Mr Daniel Bullen, a farmer of Carbrooke in Norfolk, who died recently at the age of 104. He went to work when he was six, after being at school for only half a day. He was a new boy at his first school one morning, and in the afternoon of the same day he was taken away and sent to work scaring crows.
;D
Mo
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Yes i have seen this one at some point from a Bullen family member, seem to have his age of death wrong..
I have one in my files some where which is similar from 1949.
Dan Bullen was a well known figure around my area, he lived till 105 yrs old, at one time joined his brothers in Durham to work in the mines. when returning home he became a miller and hired a corn mill on the Carbrooke - Caston boundry. after which he farmed at Carbrooke both arable and stock. The farm still carries the name " Bullens Farm", Dan Bullen died on the 26th Feb 1951 he is buried at Stow Bedon along side some of his family members ,. Would you like a picture of his grave?.
Some years ago I did have contact with a chap who was working on his and the same family connection of Bullen & Boleyn..
If you go to my web site click on " Broadflash" you wil see a picture of Dan working at the grand old age of 100.
Hi
Thanks. Looked at the transcriptions index now. What a great site. Unfortunately, the list of Bullens hasn't thrown up any known rellies, but on the Carbrooke link I found my g g Uncle Dan (Daniel Bullen b: 1846) at the Carbrooke Mill Drift Post Mill. He was my g g Grandad's (George) brother and he lived until he was 105 - and worked until that age.
Mo
How about this for Dan Bullen. I came across it a while back. It is a quote from a children's newspaper:-
Children at work - Few people can have had a working life of 98 year, but that was the record of Mr Daniel Bullen, a farmer of Carbrooke in Norfolk, who died recently at the age of 104. He went to work when he was six, after being at school for only half a day. He was a new boy at his first school one morning, and in the afternoon of the same day he was taken away and sent to work scaring crows.
;D
Mo
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I was googling Norfolk and Stow Bedon yesterday when I accidentally found this site and this strand, so I signed up. Enjoyed reading all the messages re: Ann Boleyn/Bullen and especially about Uncle Dan. I am the lady from North Carolina who has been working on the Bullen line, via ancestry.com, where we have about a dozen living members contributing. The "Great Uncle Dan" was my great-uncle; his brother Benjamin Simon Bullen was my grandfather. My dad was the only one from the Simon Bullen-Mary Faux line that I know of so far who came to "Americer" (as he would say) and stayed to raise a family. Regarding the comments about our relation to the Anne Boleyn: this was a family story that I grew up hearing as well. The story goes that 1) we were too poor to afford the "e", so most Ann Bullens are just Ann and 2) that the Anns should never date-much less marry- any Henrys or Harrys.
On the serious side, I've become stuck with too many John Bullens born around 1740-something to figure out exactly where the line goes, so I've started working forward from Sir Geoffrey Bullen, Anne's grandfather, Lord Mayor of London and one of the patrons of Salle Church, which is near the Bullen neck of the woods.
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Reading through the Anne Boleyn discussion, there seems to be some discussion about the famous Dan Bullen, who, as I mentioned before, was my great-Uncle. I live, as they say, on the other side of the pond, so my research is limited to what I can find out from corresponding with my living cousins, none of whom currently live in the Norfolk area. So perhaps one of you readers can help. When we visited the current descendants of Great-Uncle Dan, they called their place "Home Farm". There is a reference to "Home Farm" in a historical novel I read that primarily features Anne Bullen/Boleyn's sister Mary, but, of course, covers the whole family. So is there a place called Home Farm in the Attleborough/Stow Bedon area of Norfolk or is that just a common term used that is equivalent to the family homeplace?
I have a picture sent to me by a local historian that is a road sign saying "Bullen's Farm" . So, my second question is: Is Bullen's Farm and Home Farm the same place?
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This information comes to me by word of mouth, but I'll throw it in the discussion to see if anyone else has heard it as well. There have always been discussions about Anne Boleyn vs. Anne Bullen. The former being the French spelling, which was the language of the royal court in her day, the latter being, of course the English spelling. My unofficial source tells me that the Boleyn name was originally "de Boleyn", a French or Belgian name, and they came over with William of Orange when he invaded England. I'm curious if anyone else has every heard, read, or otherwise come across the same information; and if so, what was the source? If any of you have access to ancestry.com, many of the Bullens listed in the seventeeth century and before have hyphenated names; for example, John Bullen-Boleyn, with the English spelling usually listed first.
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:) I too have heard ages ago - probably when still at school that Anne Boleyn was called Nan Bullen until she went to France . The Ancestors did apparently originate from there
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I have heard/read about them using Nan also. However, even though our family uses the name Ann, we have no Nans for many generations that I have found.
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As mentioned in my email. Home Farm,Chapel Farm and Mere Farm were all small holdings within a short distance of each other at Stow Bedon.
Home Farm house was demolished in the 1960s.
You can see an idea of the layout of the village here http://www.old-maps.co.uk/maps.html
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I was googling Norfolk and Stow Bedon yesterday when I accidentally found this site and this strand, so I signed up. Enjoyed reading all the messages re: Ann Boleyn/Bullen and especially about Uncle Dan. I am the lady from North Carolina who has been working on the Bullen line, via ancestry.com, where we have about a dozen living members contributing. The "Great Uncle Dan" was my great-uncle; his brother Benjamin Simon Bullen was my grandfather. My dad was the only one from the Simon Bullen-Mary Faux line that I know of so far who came to "Americer" (as he would say) and stayed to raise a family. Regarding the comments about our relation to the Anne Boleyn: this was a family story that I grew up hearing as well. The story goes that 1) we were too poor to afford the "e", so most Ann Bullens are just Ann and 2) that the Anns should never date-much less marry- any Henrys or Harrys.
On the serious side, I've become stuck with too many John Bullens born around 1740-something to figure out exactly where the line goes, so I've started working forward from Sir Geoffrey Bullen, Anne's grandfather, Lord Mayor of London and one of the patrons of Salle Church, which is near the Bullen neck of the woods.
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George Bullen was my great great grandfather, i.e. Dan and Benjamin's brother. If you have any questions just ask.
Mo
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Hi, have just discovered this web site and looked up Daniel Bullen. He is my great great grandfather, and I have started to research his family. I know that when he returned from Durham he married Anna Webster and they had one daughter called Polly (real name Alice Mary Anne,) She married a John Bird and had 4 children, Wilfred, Bertram Dorothy and Lilian. Dorothy was my grandmother. Daniel was born in Stow Bedon in 1847 and died in 1951.
Barb.
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Hi, Barb. We are second cousins, twice removed, I believe that's how you say it. In other words, according to ancestry.com, your grandmother and I are second cousins. I've been working on gathering family history on ancestry.com, along with a dozen descendants of Henry James Bullen and Sarah Peck who are scattered around the world. We haven't entered anyone born since your grandmother's generation because we are concerned about the accuracy of the information without talking (electronically, of course) to someone in "Uncle Dan's" direct line. When my Dad, Charles Bullen (1894-1971), and I and my younger brother first visited Stow Bedon in 1962, we met your grandmother and her family as well as your great great Aunt Lily and her family. We stayed at Home Farm then and in subsequent visits.
We American, English, Scottish, Canadian, South African, and most recently New Zealanders would love to correspond directly with you and share the latest edition of the Bullen family tree that has been drafted by one of the Scottish contributors. You can ask Blue Spirit for my direct email and home contact information.
Looking forward to hearing from you.
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Hi, have just discovered this web site and looked up Daniel Bullen. He is my great great grandfather, and I have started to research his family. I know that when he returned from Durham he married Anna Webster and they had one daughter called Polly (real name Alice Mary Anne,) She married a John Bird and had 4 children, Wilfred, Bertram Dorothy and Lilian. Dorothy was my grandmother. Daniel was born in Stow Bedon in 1847 and died in 1951.
Barb.
Hi Barb
My great great Grandfather was George Bullen (Daniel's (Uncle Dan) brother who married Agnes Forsyth. He moved to Durham too and stayed there.
What you have said above has confused me. You say Dan and Anne Webster only had one daughter (Polly) who married John Bird, so who are Mary Ann Webster Bullen b: 1870 and John Webster Bullen b: 1873. Are they her children from a previous marriage?
As for Polly and John Bird's children, I have Herbert (who married Jane), Eleanor, Annie, Sally, William, Dorothy, (who married George Page), Lilian (who married Mr Dove), Lilian Maude Dove Bullen b: 1902 and Wilfred Dove Bullen b: 1899.
Where did I go wrong?
Also, do you know if Dan's other wife was Minnie Tottman and if their children were Bertha Agnes Bullen, (who married Mr Baker) Daniel Lock Bullen and a female Bullen who married Mr Childerhouse?
Hoping you will reply :)
Mo
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For Barb and Mo:
The group tracing Bullen family history via ancestry.com has some same information and some different or missing. I'm most interested in getting the correct information, as Daniel Thomas Bullen (1846-1951) was my Great-Uncle. I started checking the facts and have found so many other families working on this, it will take me some time to check out all the clues. Let me give you an example.
Dan's first wife was Minnnie Tottman (1845 or 50-1872). The family trees that list her say Polly and John were her children. But they say she and Dan were married in 1873, same year our family history says Dan married Anna Maria Webster, and then the children's birth dates don't match up either way. I'm gong to send emails to the people on ancestry.com who are also researching our family and see what they say.
Also, the one thing I do know because I met both ladies: Dan had one daughter named Lily and one granddaughter named Lily. His daughter is the one who married Ellie Dove. They had a son who should be living; last time I saw him and his parents was at Home Farm in Stow Bedon in 1969.
So, anything you know for sure, please share, and I will try to match it with the records available to me on ancestry.com.
USABullen
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Hi Mo , thanks for your reply, this is the information I have but will have to check with my mother. Daniel married Anna Webster and they had two children, Polly and John. John married a Meehan and they had a daughter Lily who married E Dove and had a son John. Will have to check this out. Polly had 4 children Wilfred who was killed in the 1st world war ,Herbert who married Jane, I remember these from my childhood as my mother spent a lot of time with them. Dorothy who married George Page, who are my grandparents, and Lily who married Ned Childerhouse. A few years age a distant relative from Washington Tyne and Ware got in touch with my mother as he said his great grandfather was a Daniel Bullen a miner from Norfolk, is it the same Daniel and did he have a family while working the coalmines? I know that Daniel was a colourful character, I have several photos of him on his 100 birthday, my mum ised to help him on his farm but missed this special celebration as she was living in Rhodesia at the time. I must of met him but cannot remember as I was aged 2 when he died. Hope this is of some help to you, as I said I will ask mum about the other names you mentioned as Pollys children.
regards Barb.
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h Barb.
Trying to work out which one you are, Is Betty your mother ?. I worked for George Page during the 1960s I remember going to Swaffham Market with him every Saturday.
I too have quite a few photos of Dan and family, may well be the same pics...
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Hi Mo , thanks for your reply, this is the information I have but will have to check with my mother. Daniel married Anna Webster and they had two children, Polly and John. John married a Meehan and they had a daughter Lily who married E Dove and had a son John. Will have to check this out. Polly had 4 children Wilfred who was killed in the 1st world war ,Herbert who married Jane, I remember these from my childhood as my mother spent a lot of time with them. Dorothy who married George Page, who are my grandparents, and Lily who married Ned Childerhouse. A few years age a distant relative from Washington Tyne and Ware got in touch with my mother as he said his great grandfather was a Daniel Bullen a miner from Norfolk, is it the same Daniel and did he have a family while working the coalmines? I know that Daniel was a colourful character, I have several photos of him on his 100 birthday, my mum ised to help him on his farm but missed this special celebration as she was living in Rhodesia at the time. I must of met him but cannot remember as I was aged 2 when he died. Hope this is of some help to you, as I said I will ask mum about the other names you mentioned as Pollys children.
regards Barb.
Hi Barb
Thanks for the info. Do you have dates for the above as I am still confused. I thought (along with USABullen) that Minnie Tottman was Polly and John's mother. Also, on your post dated 9.1.11 you said Polly's children were Wilfred, Bertram (not Herbert), Dorothy and Lilian.
Yes, it is the same Daniel Thomas Bullen (although I thought it was only George and Benjamin who stayed in the North East and had a family. I thought Dan went back to Norfolk. My family come from Bournmoor which is not far from Washington, Tyne and Wear. In fact my father is buried in the churchyard next door to Washington Old Hall.
Benjamin and his family's gravestone is in St Barnabas' churchyard just down the road from where my family still live.
Mo
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Hi Mo , thanks for your reply, this is the information I have but will have to check with my mother. Daniel married Anna Webster and they had two children, Polly and John. John married a Meehan and they had a daughter Lily who married E Dove and had a son John. Will have to check this out. Polly had 4 children Wilfred who was killed in the 1st world war ,Herbert who married Jane, I remember these from my childhood as my mother spent a lot of time with them. Dorothy who married George Page, who are my grandparents, and Lily who married Ned Childerhouse. A few years age a distant relative from Washington Tyne and Ware got in touch with my mother as he said his great grandfather was a Daniel Bullen a miner from Norfolk, is it the same Daniel and did he have a family while working the coalmines? I know that Daniel was a colourful character, I have several photos of him on his 100 birthday, my mum ised to help him on his farm but missed this special celebration as she was living in Rhodesia at the time. I must of met him but cannot remember as I was aged 2 when he died. Hope this is of some help to you, as I said I will ask mum about the other names you mentioned as Pollys children.
regards Barb.
Hi again
After you said that Wilfred was killed in WW1 I tired to find his military records and what I did come across was the roll of honour at http://www.breckland-rollofhonour.org.uk/carbrooke.html
What confuses me is that he is named as Private J W (Wilfred John) Bullen son of John and Mary Bird. Why Bullen?
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Hi Mo,
Have spoken to mother and this is the information she has given me. Daniel came back from Durham and married Anna Webster. They had two children Alice Mary Ann known as Polly and John. Polly had two boys outside of marriage ( father unknown) and when she fell pregnant again Daniel insisted she marry, this was to John Bird father of Dorothy and Lily.This is why Wilfred and Bertie both had the Bullen surname! Minnie Totman couldnt have been their mother ( Polly and John) as they were born after she died, we think he married her while in Durham and returned to Norfolk after her death, but he never spoke of this time to the family here. Hope this helps things look clearer.
regards Barb
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Hi Barb
Thank you so much for your reply.
I understand now who Bertram and Wilfred were. Could their father have been a Mr Brown, I think I saw that on a census somewhere? Will need to check.
If you have any queries regarding my side (i.e. George - Great Uncle Dan's brother) I will be only to happy to oblige.
Thanks again
Mo
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Thought I might just post this here as I have not received any updates on the family here in Norfolk.With the exception of the below.
I have just been given a small box which contained newspaper cuttings (EDP) most of which were with reference to various people from Stow Bedon Norfolk,some of which include the Bullen family including 14 letters and 11 postcards some posted with Stow Bedon scenes and others posted from Durham. I only have these in my possession for a few days.
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Hi
Just returned from hols and have only just seen this message. The post cards from Durham to Stow Bedon (Bullen) - who were they addressed to and who were they from? Dan? Charles? George? Benjamin? Did they have anything interesting to say?
Mo
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Hi, This is particularly for "Mo"
I too have grown up with my mother forever saying we were related to the Bullens of Hever, and her surname was Bullen. The Hever castle leaflet years ago used to mention a branch of the family in the West Country, which was her father (Albert Bullen) I'm trying to pin my mother down more, but I know Albert came from Norfolk, and fell out with his relations. (he could fall out with his shadow) My Mum goes on about "proof" which she'd seen at her Grandfather's, but after his death the family tree, which was in a cabinet vanished. I'm trying to get more names, but "cousin Charles" seems familiar. You've mentioned a Charles once I think. It's likely we're all related!
Have you finished your search Mo and reached the Tudor Bullens?
Molly
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Hi Mollymogs
I don't think I'm going to be of much help unfortunately.
First of all I haven't been able to go further back than about 1767 on my side of the family.
We do have a number of Charles', but I haven't heard of an Albert. What was your mother's grandfather's name?
Also, I have no information of anyone in the West Country. I have mainly the North East and Yorkshire. The rest seem to have stayed in Norfolk.
The Charles' I have are both born in 1849. (cousins). One the son of James who moved to the North East and the other son of Henry who stayed in Norfolk as far as I can see.
If you could give me a little more information I might be able to help.
Mo
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Sorry, Only just noticed this reply.
I have since returned the box lot, just keeping copies of the scenes and people of Stow Bedon, As i don't have any direct connection with the family, I did not bother about copying the other details.. Had not heard from anyone connected here, if i had seen this before i could have made some copies...
Sorry.
Hi
Just returned from hols and have only just seen this message. The post cards from Durham to Stow Bedon (Bullen) - who were they addressed to and who were they from? Dan? Charles? George? Benjamin? Did they have anything interesting to say?
Mo
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Nevermind Blue Spirit.
Thanks anyway.
Mo
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Hi I to have a Connection with Dan he was my GG Uncle, my G Grandmother was Frances Bullen, Dans older sister, her son and only child was my grandfather, he was George Henry Bullen, and my mother was Agnes Bullen.
I suspect she was named after Bertha Agnes Bullen, who my Grandfather named as his next of kin in his army service records. I have photos of the chapel and church at Stow Bedon and Dan’s grave and the grave of John Webster Bullen. I visited Bullens farm some years ago and spoke to the present owner, I have photos of the farm and the village. A number of Bullens are mentioned on the war memorial there.
I also some time ago spoke to Dan’s g granddaughter I think she was or granddaughter; she said that Dan had several illegitimate children hence the Webster Bullens.
If anyone would like an email with the photos just ask thanks Ashley
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Mo, I see you have a Norfolk interest. The Duke of Norfolk was father in Law to Ann Boleyn also the Jerningham family from Costessy were related to her by marriage. You might try finding links to these two families.
Peter
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Peter - and Ashley - welcome to Rootschat. Hope you enjoy it
Peter, I'm slightly puzzled by your comment about the Duke of Norfolk. Anne Boleyn's (late) father in law was Henry VII, as she only married once (unless you count the putitive handfasting with Percy of Northumberland) and her husband was Henry VIII.
Anne's mother was born a Howard, and that was the connection, blood connection rather than marriage, to the Dukes of Norfolk - the Duke of Norfolk at the time of both Anne and Katherine Howard's marriages to Henry VIII was Uncle to both of them. That didn't stop him bringing in a guilty verdict and death sentence on his own niece.
Thomas Boleyn, or Bullen, Anne's father, was the son of a family who had, as it were, sprung from the ranks and one of the most fascinating parts of this thread for me has been watching the posts from so many Bullens or Boleyn descendants. Thomas had a meteoric rise in Tudor England and not all his family or relatives rose with him - to find all the posts about the branches of the family who continued in the country and didn't tread the path to London has been fascinating (as with Ashley's) and can I thank all of them on behalf of those of us obsessed with medieval history for bringing the family so much to life.
(I say 'all of us' but perhaps it's only me!)
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That didn't stop him bringing in a guilty verdict and death sentence on his own niece.
Perhaps that if he found her not guilty he would incur Henry's displeasure and likely face the block himself concentrated his mind?
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walter langley edward parsons wrote a book called SALLE the story of a norfolk parish, its church, manors and people,,,, he was the vicar around 1900,, of salle
his book relates the bullen, boleyn family from agr, labourers to land owners, and some very interseting stories of the family,, book about £30 to £40 now and quite rare,, worth a purchase if you are serious about the family
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Hi all,
Seems I found a lot of relatives. I been researching my family for 2 years and never run across the Royal link before, but I'm new to this forum. My link to this is that Simon Bullen (1767) is my 3x great g/father and these posts make interesting reading. Question is has anyone put in a claim for the throne???? :).
I'd be interested in how is the research going.
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Hi
Welcome to Rootschat.
Which of Simon's children are you descended from.
Mo
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Hi Mo,
I'm descended from Mary Ann (my 2x great grandmother), Emily Rose (my great grandmother). I've got back as far as John Bullen (1744), John Bullen (1720), now I've got stopped. I've also had trouble locating the ladies maiden names with those two Johns, but no doubt I'll find them eventually.
How is the research into the Bullen - Boleyn link going?, any luck?
Regards,
R
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Hi there
I'm decended from Henry James (1820) Mary Ann's brother. I haven't got any further back than Simon (1767). Who is John - Simon's father???
Can't be much help I'm afraid.
Mo
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Hi Mo,
I assume you have Simon Bullen + Mary Faux, well John Bullen (1744 - 1819) + Elizabeth Ann ? (1745 - 1823) are Simon' s parents. Then John Bullen (1720 -1748) + Mary ? (1720 - 1746) are Simon's Grandparents. Guess that'll help you.
Oh by the way, if you are descended from Henry you must be a 2nd or 3rd cousin!
Relatively yours,
R
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Thats brilliant.
Thanks R.
Relatively yours ;D
Mo
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Hi Mo,
You're more than welcome, keep in touch.
R.
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Hi R,
I noticed you were posting 2 years ago so this is a long shot but, I am currently trying to trace back the family line from Australia.
I was wondering if Simon Bullen had a brother named Edward L Bullen? I too have John Bullen and Elizabeth Ann listed as parents ( With the same dates) as well as a John and Mary as grandparents.
Any information you could share would be much appreciated :)
Thanks -Kayla
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Hi R,
I noticed you were posting 2 years ago so this is a long shot but, I am currently trying to trace back the family line from Australia.
I was wondering if Simon Bullen had a brother named Edward L Bullen? I too have John Bullen and Elizabeth Ann listed as parents ( With the same dates) as well as a John and Mary as grandparents.
Any information you could share would be much appreciated :)
Hi Kayla,
Yes he did have a brother of that name, the L is for Lyncoln. As far as I can ascertain Simon had 6 siblings. What I have is; Lydia (abt 1767), Simon (abt 1767), Edward (1768), Margaret (1769), Edward L (1773), Susannah (1776) and William (1779).
Hope that helps.
Regards,
R
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Hi R,
I noticed you were posting 2 years ago so this is a long shot but, I am currently trying to trace back the family line from Australia.
I was wondering if Simon Bullen had a brother named Edward L Bullen? I too have John Bullen and Elizabeth Ann listed as parents ( With the same dates) as well as a John and Mary as grandparents.
Any information you could share would be much appreciated :)
Hi Kayla,
Yes he did have a brother of that name, the L is for Lyncoln. As far as I can ascertain Simon had 6 siblings. What I have is; Lydia (abt 1767), Simon (abt 1767), Edward (1768), Margaret (1769), Edward L (1773), Susannah (1776) and William (1779).
Hope that helps.
Regards,
R
Hi
I can find Lydia (4.1.1768 Thompson), Edward Lyncoln (8.4.1773 Thompson), William (18.7.1779 Thompson), Susannah (8.7.1776 Thompson) their parents being John and Ann in the Norfolk Archdeacons Transcripts and Bishops Transcripts, but I can't find Edward 1768 and Margaret 1769 and more importantly, Simon 1767 in Thompson.
There is someone's genealogy reference in FS to Margaret (21.8.1769 Thomson) and Edward (3.1.1768 Thompson), but can't find the actual record. Any help would be appreciated.
What is the link with Simon though?
How do we know they are his brothers and sisters?
Sorry for being a pest.
Regards
Mo
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Hi
I can find Lydia (4.1.1768 Thompson), Edward Lyncoln (8.4.1773 Thompson), William (18.7.1779 Thompson), Susannah (8.7.1776 Thompson) their parents being John and Ann in the Norfolk Archdeacons Transcripts and Bishops Transcripts, but I can't find Edward 1768 and Margaret 1769 and more importantly, Simon 1767 in Thompson.
There is someone's genealogy reference in FS to Margaret (21.8.1769 Thomson) and Edward (3.1.1768 Thompson), but can't find the actual record. Any help would be appreciated.
What is the link with Simon though?
How do we know they are his brothers and sisters?
Sorry for being a pest.
Regards
Mo
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Hi Mo,
Your information sounds correct I have Edward L Bullen listed in Thompson. Can you just confirm for me, you said his parents were listed as John and Ann. Did you mean Elizabeth Ann?
Unfortunately I cannot be of help with regards to Simon, I thought there may be a link as the names in my tree matched the discussion.
Sorry I couldn't be much help ( It's quite hard to track down records from Australia)
Cheers
Kayla :)
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Hi Kayla
No, I did mean John and Ann.
Edward Lyncoln, son of John and Ann, christened 8.4.1773 - Thompson (Norfolk Archdeacon Transcripts)
Lydia, daughter of John and Ann, christened 4.1.1768 - Thompson (Norfolk Archdeacon Transcripts)
William, son of John and Ann, christened 18.7.1779 - Thompson (Norfolk Archdeacon Transcripts)
Susannah, daughter of John and Ann, christened 8.7.1776 - Thompson (Norfolk Bishop Transcripts).
I can find no record of Simon being born in Thompson.
Personally, I do not think Simon is related to Edward Lyncoln's family (at least not directly).
I have : -
Simon Bullen son of John and Bridget (nee Norton) - Bapt 31.5.1767 Wicklewood (Norfolk Parish records)
Simon Bullen's marriage to Mary Forkse (Faux) 16.6.1800 All Saints, Wicklewood (Norfolk Bishop Transcripts and Norfolk Parish Records).
Simon Bullen and Mary Forkes (Faux) then appear to move to Rockland (note - there is no record of them having children in Wicklewood, although Simon's siblings do) where they have their first born (9 months later) - Robert 15.3.1801- Rockland (Norfolk Bishop Transcripts).
They then go on to have other children baptised in Rockland and then eventually Stow Bedon.
But - that is my take on the matter.
Thanks for getting back.
Mo
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I also have Norfolk Bullen's in my family tree. Mine originate from Field Dalling near Holt. However none of the names you mention seem to match with the ones I have. My first Bullen is Mary, born in 1722 in Field Dalling, Norfolk. She had siblings John, James, Benjamin, Christopher, William, Elizabeth and Jacobus. Her father was Joseph Bullen born 1695 in Field Dalling - he had siblings Egmont and Ann.. His father was Edmund Bullen born 1660 in Field Dalling. I have no siblings for him. His father was Robert Bullen, born 1632 in Norwich and had siblings Jane, Susan and Mary. His father was James Bullen born 1600 in Field Dalling and this is as far back as I can go.
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Now got back to John Bullen born 1530ish and married to Agnes Nosyland on 19 Nov 1554.
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Hi
I'm revisiting this old post to reach the people who have an interest in the Bullen family from Stow Bedon.
Most people know about "Great Uncle Dan" - Daniel Thomas Bullen who died at the age of 105, but I wonder if anyone knows the whereabouts of Daniel Lock Bullen. He appears on the 1871 Census aged about 6 and then again in 1881 aged 16 then disappears. He is down as Henry and Sarah's grandson, but it doesn't actually say whose son he is (although I assume he was Daniel Thomas Bullen's son - although that is speculation on my part).
What happened to him?
Any ideas.
Mo