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Hi, I have Joseph (Josiah) William Wilkinson marrying Elizabeth Williams in Newport in December Quarter 1860.
Could any of you supply the correct date please and/or any other details?
Al
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Hi
have you found them in 1861 census this might give the are they where living and match to the place they where married.
cheers cardiff ???
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Cardiff, thank you for your reply, have not yet found them in the 1861 but ten years later were living with his father in law, William Williams in Stow Hill in St Woollo's in Newport so presume that is where they were wed.
Al
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Hello.
My great-grandfather Josiah (William) Wilkinson, married an Elizabeth Williams. I don't have a marriage date, but I do have a birth certificate for their son, William Josiah Wilkinson, b. May 17th, 1871 in Newport, Monmouth. Their home address was 68 Jones Street, Newport.
Don't know if this helps any. I haven't gone prior to my great grandfather, but do have the progression (and some interesting data) to this point.
zekestone
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zekestone, thank you for your reply with the useful information.
I have been been researching this family for a friend, Lynton Wilkinson who lives in Nuneaton and have got back a little earlier than this, back to Nuneaton in fact!
Would you like me to put him touch with you?
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This may be the family in 1881 RG11/3072/35/2 - Warwickshire
William J WILKINSON Head 42 occ. House painter
Elizabeth Wife 41
Ellen REES dau. marr. 21
Henrietta dau. 19
Mary dau. 15
Rosener dau. 12
William J son 10 (1871)
Jane J dau. 6
Elizabeth dau. 4
Clara dau. 1
Mary E 4 grand/dau
all born NEWPORT, Monmouth
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IGI extracted christenings St. Woolas, Newport
parents named Josiah WILKINSON & Elizabeth
Ellen WILKINSON 25/12/1860
Henrietta 10/1/1863
Mary Ann 24/3/1865
Mary 17/2/1867
Rosina 18/4/1869
William Josiah 4/6/1871
Martha 29/6/1873
no marriage details for Josiah & Elizabeth though ???
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Thank you Ladyhawk for your interest, I already have all the census results except for the 1861 which has proved very elusive. I suspect they were living in Newport at the time probably with the wife's father, William Williams, as the birthplace of the children given in the later census's reveals, they were with him in 1871 also.
Al
PS. I think the details on the sensus for 1881 were not quite correct as father William was born in Coventry!
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Hi Al in Vane,
The family do appear to be pretty elusive in 1861 :-\
The 1881 census info. posted was from IGI familysearch, perhaps the birth place of William J WILKINSON has been mis transcribed. If that is the correct family I'm wondering if Josiah (William) WILKINSON & Elizabeth WILLIAMS married in St. Woolas, Newport in 1860 as some of the children were christened St. Woollos, Newport.
Perhaps you may be able to find help with their marriage details from this link, couldn’t see a marriage in Trevethin Parish but did find a christening for Elizabeth WILLIAMS father William mother Margaret :-\
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~monfamilies/stwoolosnptprt.htm
IGI extracted christenings Trevethin
parents named William & Margaret
Elizabeth WILLIAMS 13/11/1836
Rachel WILLIAMS 16/6/1822
John 18/11/1825
William 22/1/1826, 20/11/1826 & 16/5/1840
Abraham 25/4/1828 & 21/3/1829
Henry 13/11/1836
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~monfamilies/trevethinprt.htm
Trevethin Parish Records - could see these two children's names
18/11/1825 John Williams s William Williams Margaret Williams Sowhill, miner,
21/03/1829 Abraham Williams, s William Williams Margaret Williams Sowhill, miner
You may already have these details
Could be your Josiah :-\
Josiah WILKINSON
ch 16/6/1841 Nuneaton
Father William mother Ellen
Robert WILKINSON 24/3/1844
Ellen 17/1/1847
James 13/5/1849
Harriet 5/9/1852
Marriage
13/5/1839 St. Michael, Coventry, Warwick
William WILKINSON single father William
Ellen RHODES widowed
Perhaps zekestone will be able to offer more info.
Good Luck with the search :)
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Yes, William from Nuneaton, I have them there into the late 1700s but was writing from memory. I have all the bottom part of your piece Ladyhawk and will take a close look at the other which is mostly new to me. Williams did live at Stow Hill in Newport which is still extant and you have Sow Hill so probably the same place, also the Wilkinsons mainly worked in the mines as did the Williams's.
Thank you so much for all that information, extremely useful and very much appreciated
Al
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Re Josiah Wilkinson and his son William Josiah Wilkinson. The latter immigrated to Hong Kong where his 11 children were born. He passed away in Hong Kong in 1926 at the tender age of 55 in Hong Kong. He joined the Royal Marines in 1888 and purchased his discharge in Hong Kong in 1894.
His eldest son, William Robert Wilkinson, was my grandfather.
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Hi, Many thanks for your information which is extremely interesting, I have passed it all on to my friend.
Could you tell us the name of your Grandmother and when they got married, presume it was Hong Kong? Also do you and others of the family still live there?
Al
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What I have is:
William Josiah Wilkinson born 17 May 1871 in Newport, Monmouthsire
Death 21 February 1926 in Hong Kong
Father: Josiah Wilkinson
Mother: Elizabeth Williams
Married Dorica(aka Dora) Maria Pereira in Hong Kong Born 1872 in Hong Kong
Died March 1952 in Hong Kong.
Her brother is August Pereira, his daughter is Matilda Pereira. He returned to Hong Kong from a trip to the UK and brought back a wife Annie, I believe her maiden name was Horton. She was not the mother of Matilda. Matilda's mother passed away previously, not sure in the UK or in Hong Kong.
Children of Dorica and William Josiah Wilkinson:
William Robert Wilkinson - born 1902 in Hong Kong (my grandfather). He married Lenore de Souza in Hong Kong and had 9 children. William Robert, Dorothy Mary (my mother), Norman (passed away as an infant), Norma, Hazel, Patricia, Esther, Eleanor, Angelina, David.
None reside in Hong Kong any more. The countries of residence are: U.K., Australia and Canada.
Frederick James Wilkinson - born 22 January 1902 in Hong Kong
Harry Wilkinson - born 1906 Hong Kong
Violet Wilkinson - born 1909 in Hong Kong
Elizabeth Wilkinson - no date
Henrieta Wilkinson - no date
James Wilkinson - no date
Lily Wilkinson - no date
Joseph Wilkinson - no date
Robert Wilkinson - no date
Charles Wilkinson - no date
Some of the younger children may have been born in the U.K. because William Josiah went back and forth to the U.K. regularly. Have a few interesting documents and photographs but don't know how to attach them here.
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Sorry typo on Dorica (aka Dora) Periera's brother's name
He is Augusto not August
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Very interesting so many thanks for all that information.
Have you gone back very far with the family history?
Al
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I haven't gone back any further as I have been trying to get information on the maternal side of the family as well and have hit a dead end.
Need to track down William Josiah's wife's family background and Lenora Maria's side of the family - lots of mysteries involved in their histories.
Violet - one of William J.'s daughter - married and moved to Burma. Trying to track her down as well. Elusive.
Is there a way of attaching a photograph to the posting?
Thanks,
M.
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I think you can send a personal message after six postings? I can then send you my Email address and put you in touch with my friend, Lynton Wilkinson.
I am not sure how to put photos on here but on an Email you can attach them.
Al
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Great, look forward to sharing some photos of the Wilkinsons with him. Is Lynton related to an offspring of William Josiah Wilkinson or Josiah Wilkinson?
Can't believe how large the family is. I have recently found a relative of Frederick Wilkinson (my mother's uncle) in Australia. She posted something in 2007 and I only just found it and answered, in October of 2010. The internet, and sites like this one, makes the world a very small place.
Thanks for the information.
M.
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M,
Have traced back to 1759 in Nuneaton.
Lynton came through from Josiah and Elizabeth Williams, where your William Josiah was born in 1871 his Charles Henry was born to the same parents in December 1882.
After William joined the Marines the family in 1891 was living in Bishop Street Coventry and between then and 1901 Charles moved to Glamorgan where he married Margaret Ellen Morgan in September 1901 in Pontypridd, by 1911 he had moved back to Coventry (Foleshill).
I can send you all my findings or leave it to Lynton to do so, it is up to you, you should soon be able to post privately.
Al
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A,
For Josiah & Elizabeth's offspring, I have:
Ellen Wilkinson 1861
Henrietta Wilkinson 1863
Mary Wilkinson 1867
Rhosa Wilkinson 1869
William Josiah Wilkinson 1871
Sara J. Wilkinson 1875 (I think she married a Wilkinson too)
Elizabeth Wilkinson 1878
Louise wilkinson 1881
Charles Wilkinson 1882
So the Charles Lynton descended from was born in 1882.
I have been researching the Hong Kong newspapers on line, dating back to 1838 and there is mention of Ellen Wilkinson. Is she the Ellen Wilkinson that was a member of Parliament?
Looking forward to the private posting.
M.
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I have
Ellen c Christmas Day 1760 married Noah Rees at Pontipridd district June 1876. She was named after her Grandmother Ellen nee Rhodes, an Irishwoman born Dublin).
Henrietta c 10 January 1863 married Edward Treherne Franklin at Coventry September 1886.
Mary c 17 February 1767 married Robert Brickwell at Coventry Dcemeber 1888.
Rosina c 18 April 1869 married Robert Hutchinson at Foleshill June 1889.
William Josiah c 4 June 1871 married Dorica Pereira in Hong Kong.
Jane Sarah b 1875 - have not found a marriage as yet. One possibly in 1891.
Elizabeth b June 1877 - Marriage not found for sure. Possible 1897.
Louise born 23 February 188- married Idris Jones, December 1900 Pontipridd.
Charles Henry born December 1882 married Margaret Ellen Morgan September 1902 Pontipridd.
Have not heard about the politician.
Al
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Hi, Just found this site and not sure how to post. My Mother Marjorie Elizabeth COOK nee WILKINSON is the Daughter of Frederick & Beatrice WILKINSON formerly of Hong Kong, now residing Australia. Her Brothers are Frederick WILKINSON (dec'd), Brian Arthur WILKINSON (Dec'd), Maurice Wilkinson, Sisters Joyce WALL nee WILKINSON (Dec'd), Maureen BROWN Nee WILKINSON(Dec'd) Joan WILKINSON (dec'd UK). The whole family being inturned in Stanley Prison in Hong Kong during WW2 by the Japanese. if someone can give me some clues in which direction to go, would be appreciated.
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I am sure CdnQuery will get to you soon, she has all the facts of the family line and appears to be directly linked to your Hong Kong line.
Al
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Thanks Al, you have restored my confidence, I await with baited breath.
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Hi,
Your mother, Marjorie, and my mother Dorothy are cousins. My mother was always called 'Girlie' so if you ever heard your mother mention a cousin 'Girlie' that would be her.
Mum speaks of Auntie Beattie all the time - she was one of her favourite aunts. I have been in touch with Louise (Brown) who, if I have it right, is married to Robert, your Aunty Maureen's son. I found a posting just before Christmas 2010 that she made in 2007 asking about Dora Wilkinson. When I came across it I was searching Hong Kong history during World War II when the posting jumped out at me.
I have sent Louise some photographs that I had of the Wilkinson family in Hong Kong. If you would like copies of it Louise could probably send it to you as I think you are in contact with her. If you are not in contact with her I could forward it to you as well.
There are other cousins in Australia, my mother's sister Patricia, her brother David and her sister Angeline also reside in Australia with their families. My grandfather and grandmother, William Robert Wilkinson, immigrated to Australia around 1960 I believe. Uncle David and Aunty Angel went with them. Aunty Pat, Uncle George and their three children immigrated quite a few years later.
Keep in touch, happy to meet you!
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Hi, Just off the phone from Marjorie (Mum). She remembers your Mum Dorothy and said she was very pretty and was living nearby in Hong Kong, but her memory is going as she's in her late 70's now. I knew George WHITE and Patsy and their sons Noel and Junior, Noel is an Ambo in Queensland and married to Janet the last I heard. No idea on Junior or his whereabouts, George passed away early to mid 80's. Have a photo of William Josiah Snr with his 11 children in HGK. Don't know how to post it or how to e-mail, can send if you want it. * if that helps. Don't know if I can post e-mails, soon find out! Please keep in touch., M.
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My Mum is 88 and her memory is going fast as well. Strange though, she remembers a lot from the past but something we discussed this morning she will have forgotten
If the photo you mentioned has Great Grandfather holding the hand of the youngest child (Jimmy I believe) and all the other children standing in a row from youngest to eldest (my grandfather) then I have that copy. Actually I sent a copy of it to Louise Brown via email before Christmas.
I will email you with another photograph I have and also a wedding announcement in the Hong Kong Daily Mail that described Auntie Beattie and Uncle Freddie's wedding, it was really interesting.
Take care,
M.
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--------------- > CdnQuery
What an amazing coincidence...................we seem to have the same mother ! =)
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----> lost in the orient. FYI, Noel quit the QATB last year. Jeanette & Noel parted ways in the late 80's, he married Katherine shortly after, but alas, they have also divorced.
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ok zekestone, aka my Bro, Lost In The Orient traces roots back to W.J. Wilkinson so is kin!
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A,
For Josiah & Elizabeth's offspring, I have:
Ellen Wilkinson 1861
Henrietta Wilkinson 1863
Mary Wilkinson 1867
Rhosa Wilkinson 1869
William Josiah Wilkinson 1871
Sara J. Wilkinson 1875 (I think she married a Wilkinson too)
Elizabeth Wilkinson 1878
Louise wilkinson 1881
Charles Wilkinson 1882
So the Charles Lynton descended from was born in 1882.
I have been researching the Hong Kong newspapers on line, dating back to 1838 and there is mention of Ellen Wilkinson. Is she the Ellen Wilkinson that was a member of Parliament?
Looking forward to the private posting.
M.
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Hi
I am related to Sarah J Wilkinson and William Josiah Wilkinson through my husband's family. Sarah and William Josiah were brother and sister. Sarah J married Arthur Davies, whose daughter Beatrice Davies married Frederick James Wilkinson in 1924 in Hong Kong son of William Josiah Wilkinson. They were first cousins, I was told this by my mother -in-law.
I have just found this sight after many years. I have been talking to a Marilyn Holt in Canada.
Louise of Australia
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Hello. Would you be the same family that has two trees (Wright/Brown Tree & Brown/Wright Tree2) on Ancestry? I'm William Josiah Wilkinson's (Hong Kong), great grandson. William died at age 55 (myocardial infarction), on Feb.21/1926. He served with the Royal Marines (enlisted 1888) on HMS Audacious & HMS Palas. He purchased his discharge in 1894 at Hong Kong. He entered HM Prison (Victoria Gaol) as a warder, and left the system as the Principal Warder. He then became the 'Overseer' for the Hong Kong Land Investment & Agency Co. (1900). I'm thinking I can now post my email address as I believe I'm over the 3post mark. Would be interesting to compare notes. Addy-------> * Cheers!
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Hi
I am the same person who has the Brown/Wright tree 2 on Ancestry.com.au the tree2 is the lastest update one. My husband Robert Brown is the great grandson of William Josiah Wilkinson. His grandfather was Frederick James Wilkinson, who married Beatrice Davies Or Davis. I have been in contact with a lady in Canada who is the granddaughter of Robert William Wilkinson.
Will be in contact
Louise of Australia
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;D The lady in Canada is my sister. Also have a drove of cousins in Brisbane. Your husband would be Uncle Freddie's son then. My grandfather is William Robert Wilkinson, U. Freddie's brother. Your husband wouldn't be connected with a Wilkinson that's a member of the Queensland Police??? Looking forward to hearing from you. Cheers!
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Sorry, meant to say "your husband is Uncle Freddie's grandson".
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;D The lady in Canada is my sister. Also have a drove of cousins in Brisbane. Your husband would be Uncle Freddie's son then. My grandfather is William Robert Wilkinson, U. Freddie's brother. Your husband wouldn't be connected with a Wilkinson that's a member of the Queensland Police??? Looking forward to hearing from you. Cheers!
Hi ,
My wife's mother is Joan Wilkinson and we have a direct link to William Josiah Wilkinson born 17th May 1871.Frederick James Wilkinson in Hong Kong. If any one out there has a link please reply.
Chris. P.S. I hope l have replied in the right way, first timer.
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Would lost in the orient reply to this message as we know your mum Margery quite well. My wife is her niece. Chris
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Hi Chris,
I am very sorry but Lost in the Orients email address is no longer working.
Regards
Sarah
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Could anyone out there who has a connection to William Josiah Wilkinson born 1871 in Newport please reply to this e-mail. My mother -in-law was called Joan Patricia Wilkinson born 1929 in Hong kong. She was interned into the Camp at Stanley from 1941-1945.