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Hi all.
I'm normally a lurker, but have decided to post about a detail in my family tree that has been annoying me lately!
I have a printed family tree that was passed down to me, it's quite old and very sparse on details. my 4 times great grandfather is Francis Wilson Heath, born 1808. He has two sisters Ann Eliza Heath who married William Gresham and Maria Heath who married Edgar Wickham.
Francis appears on the 1871 census as visitor to William and Ann Gresham. However, I found an Ann Eliza Heath on the probate calendar released on Ancestry recently who died in 1864 and named her brother, Francis, as executor.
Do you think the printed family tree I have is wrong? As surely they wouldn't enter her on a census after she died? The probate entry must be correct as they name Ann and Francis as siblings. I apologise for the long post, I have a lot of missing links on my family tree so lots of questions to ask!
What is everyone's take on this?
Thanks, Kirsty
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Haven't checked any records yet, but my first thought is that wouldn't Ann Eliza be on the probate calendar under her maiden name of Gresham?
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Sorry Kirsty - should have said Welcome to Rootschat! Very remiss of me!! I'm sure you'll get lots of help here. Dazey
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Hi
Welcome to rootschat :)
It certainly looks like the right probate as it names Francis Wilson Heath - I presume the address means something to you.
If she had married William Gresham surely the probate would name her as Ann Eliza Gresham ??? When and where is she supposed to have married William ?
Rosie
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Francis W HEATH is with William and "Anne" GRESHAM in 1861 as well: RG9/5/2/4
The 1871 where he is with William and "Anna" GRESHAM is at RG10/10/64/34.
She's "Anna" in 1881 as well: RG11/1076/87/31, and also in 1851: HO107/1527/99/76.
Anna/Anne was born about 1812 in London (1871 specifies Islington; 1851 specifies St Andrew [Holborn]).
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And her children's christenings and her death show her as Anna Maria :)
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Ann Eliza HEATH was baptised 12 Jan 1803 at St Mary, Lambeth, according to an IGI extracted record, daughter of Richard and Ann (same parents as Francis Wilson HEATH).
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He has two sisters Ann Eliza Heath who married William Gresham and Maria Heath who married Edgar Wickham.
Ann E HEATH, 58 b Surrey, was enumerated as "sister" in the household of Edgar and Maria WICKHAM in Croydon in 1861: RG9/451/33/1.
She was with them in 1851 as well: HO107/1601/570/52.
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Maria & Edgar Wickham both died in Clapton (1879 and 1878 respectively) - late of Beulah Hill, Norwood. So it certainly looks as though Ann Eliza Heath remained single until her death in 1864
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Thank you for the welcome and thank you all for being so thorough!
All the facts point to Ann Eliza that she died unmarried, so this William and Ann must be friends to Francis rather than relatives as I first thought.
Thanks again everyone, one puzzle down several more to go ;)
Should I edit the title of this thread to say it is solved?
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Should I edit the title of this thread to say it is solved?
If you edit so as to add "Completed" to the title, the moderators will tidy it into the right place :)
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Hello Rootschat and Kirsty :)
I only came across rootschat a couple of days ago and have just found this thread!
It looks as though you have solved what happened to Anne, but I have some more information that might be of interest to you Kirsty - Francis Wilson Heath is my 3 x great grandfather and we have his death certificate and will! His son William was my 2 x great grandfather.
The first will we have was 1864, then he updated it in 1872 - giving very precise details of what was to be done with his various funds and properties. Incidentally neither will included his sister Anne, though I guess if she died in 1864 that could have been what prompted him to write his will in the first place. Do you know what date Anne died? - the will was written on 18th July 1864.
Also, from the information we have, it seems as though Francis Wilson Heath's mother was indeed Anne Heath, but his father was not Richard... I am not sure if you are aware of this Kirsty, but there's some very interesting revelations that have been passed down the family, would be great to share all of this with you :)
Alison
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Alison,
Thank you for your reply, I have sent you a personal message in hope that we can share some information. If William is your 2xgreat grandfather then we definitely close family!
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Very exciting stuff! I sent you a personal message a few days ago Kirsty, hope to hear from you soon. Alison :)
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I'm not sure if your Ann Eliza Gresham is mine but if so she was my great-gradfather's aunt. the family is listed in the 1860 census,
which was after my ggreat-grandfather had moved to his own farm. Here is the 1860 Williamson Co. TN census;
[Hartwell Grisham]
Birth: dd mm 1789 - Virginia, USA
Death: date - city, Williamson, Tennessee, USA
Marriage: date 26 Nov., 1831 - city, Halifax, Virginia
Spouse: Elizabeth P. surname: Boyd
1860 Census
Hartwell Grisham 70
Elizabeth Grisham 49
Thomas Grisham 15
Robert Grisham 11
Henery Grisham 7
Charles Grisham 1
Joseph A. Grisham 17
Eljah Woolf 44
Ann Eliza Gresham Woolf 28 born 1832 VA.
Hope This Helps
and if we're family let me know!
Mike
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Hello,
So excited to read this post and I believe we are related!
Richard Heath is my 4 x great grandfather.
His daughter Maria Heath (who married Edgar Wickham) is my 3 x great grandmother. I also saw in a marriage document that Maria Heath's marriage was solemnized in the presence of Francis Wilson Heath. I would be interested to know how they are related as I presumed they were siblings. Richard Heath was deceased at the time of Maria Heath's marriage.
Maria Heath had one daughter Julia Wickham who is my 2 x great grandmother.
Julia Wickham had 6 children, one being Julie Adelaide Elizabeth Ramsay Cox who is my great grandmother.
She lived in Blackheath, NSW Australia and had 3 children Mary Gladys, Dorothy and Rupert. Mary Gladys was my grandmother.
I also heard a 'family myth' about the Heaths being connected to Colonel Blood and receiving pension money as a result? If you know any more would be very interested to know. The furthest I can go back is to Richard Heath.
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Elizabeth,
I'm still unsure about your Gresham family but if you will email me I'll send you some documents and data that may help you to place yours in or out of my direct Gresham line. Knowing that we are related if only in a cousin line since Edward and his brother John Gresham were the 2 original immigrants to America.
I'll also give you the address of my cousin who is the director of our Gresham, Grisham, Grissom Family site where you my find other family if I'm not in your direct line. No one else has found mine in their direct lines.
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I have only just found Roots Chat and am also researching this line. Francis Wilson Heath is my 3G Grandfather through his first born Alfred Power. I have found, as others said that his sister Ann died unmarried and childless. I have not yet found any family connection with William Gresham but he is a key character in the story...
I would be very interested in making contact with others and sharing information.
Kind regards
Sarah