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John William O'Fallon was born Athlone 1805.Married Jane Conry 1831 had four children.
John William born abt 1834
Alicia born abt 1838
Mathew Redmond born abt 1838
Charlotte Chadwick born abt 1839/1840.
All four children left Ireland about 1848 but with there Uncle and Auntie,nothing can be found about John William and his wife Jane,they just seem to have disappeared.
Any information would be very helpful.
Many thanks.
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John William O'Fallon was born Athlone 1805.Married Jane Conry 1831 had four children.
John William born abt 1834
Alicia born abt 1838
Mathew Redmond born abt 1838
Charlotte Chadwick born abt 1839/1840.
All four children left Ireland about 1848 but with there Uncle and Auntie,nothing can be found about John William and his wife Jane,they just seem to have disappeared.
Any information would be very helpful.
Many thanks.
hi iam new to this site , i see we may have some kind od of link , my name is william mcnally from liverpool , my grandmother was elsie veronica o;fallon , her farther was william redmond o'fallon , and my great great grandtather was mathew redomond o,fallon , was age 42 in 1881 and was a school board officer in liverpool , if u have any information i would appreciate it , was john william o'fallon his farter ? and was maiden name of mathew redmond o'fallon wife sussanha elizabeth , look for frard to hearing from u , and a bit about you ,
regauards william anthony mcnally
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Welcome to Rootschat. I'm not related but can fill in a bit of family detail for you from free online resources.
Marriage- Apr./June 1870 W.Derby volume 8b page 579
Matthew Redmond O'Fallon & Susannah Elizabeth Kneale
Deaths-
Matthew R. O'Fallon (age 64) Oct./Dec.1902 W.Derby
Susannah E. O'Fallon (age 71) Oct./Dec.1919 Birkenhead
See www.freebmd.org
Christenings for three of the children are also listed in IGI (www.familysearch.org)-
Susan Ada Gertrude O'Fallon, born 16 Nov.1877, chr. 5 June 1878 St. Timothy's, Liverpool
Albert Ernest O'Fallon, born 19 Dec.1879, chr. 12 May 1880 St. Peter's
Josephine O'Fallon chr. 25 July 1882 St. Peter's, Liverpool
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John William O'Fallon was born Athlone 1805.Married Jane Conry 1831 had four children.
John William born abt 1834
Alicia born abt 1838
Mathew Redmond born abt 1838
Charlotte Chadwick born abt 1839/1840.
All four children left Ireland about 1848 but with there Uncle and Auntie,nothing can be found about John William and his wife Jane,they just seem to have disappeared.
Any information would be very helpful.
Many thanks.
Hello and welcome to rootschat.
It looks as though you have quite a bit of information about the family so to prevent people provifing you with what you already have - where have you looked to date?
I can see the girls with relatives in 1851 but don't see Matthew until 1871 in English censuses but you are fairly specific about the date of their leaving.
Have you checked for deaths in parish records?
What about wills?
best wishes
heywood
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HI THANKS FOR YOUR HELP , I WANTES SUSSANHAS MAIDEN NAME , AND I KNOW MATHEW DIED IN 1902 , U LINKED A FEW THINGS FOR ME , I HAVE BEEN DOING THIS ABT A YEAR , AND GOT BACK ON MY DADS MUMS SIDE OF THE FAMILY O;FALLONS , BUT IAM STUCK ON MY GRANDFATHER THOMAS MCNALLY , I DID NOT KNOW HIM HE WENT TO AUSTRALIA IN THE THE LATE 40S , DAD DIDNT SPEAK OF HIM I HAVE HIS MARRIAGE CERTICATE MARRIED IN 1934 TO ELSIE VERONICA OFALLON , HE WAS BORN ABOUT 1909 A YEAR EITHER SIDE AND HIS FATHER WAS JOHN PATRICK MCNALLY BUT SEEM TO BE STUCK THERE DONT KNOW MY JOHN PATRICKS WIFE NAME OR MAIDEN , THANKS FOR UR HELP .
REGAURS WILLIAM MCNALLY
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Att. William Mc Nally
I believe your GGGrandfather Mathew Redmond O'Fallon was born abt. 1838 Roscommon. Married Susanna Elizabeth Kneale 1869. Lived 59 Belmont Road Liverpool.
Yes i think his Father was the missing John William O'Fallon.
Mathew Redmond O'Fallon was the brother of my GGrandmother Charlotte Chadwick O'Fallon.
I have most of the O'Fallon history relative to my branch but have been unable to trace John William O'Fallon and his wife Jane Conry.
Any info you have would be appreciated.
alecjack
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Att Heywood
Yes have checked virtualy all available records even been to Roscommon still no luck,all other family members contacted have no information on their disappearance
Regards
alecjack
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Hello,
if you have searched then I can't think of anything else - sorry.
I did wonder why you thought the children left abt 1848 - as I said I can see the girls with their aunt and uncle but not the boys.
I did look at the time - did John W (son) end up in America- but where was he and Matthew Redmond in 1851 and 1861?
Do you know the parish they family were living in?
regards
heywood
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Hi heywood
Thanks for your interest.
I think something happened to their parents, but no real idea what.
John William emigrated to Canada/USA in about 1850. Have traced him.
Mathew Redmond went to Liverpool at about 1848/1850. Died West Derby District 1902
Alicia and Charlotte Chadwick(My GGrandmother) were taken to London by their Uncle Peter Mc Donnell and his wife Marie(nee O'Fallon) In 1851 Census they were all living at 27 Claremont Terrace St. Pancras. ages given Alicia 16 years and Charlotte 9 Years, both give birthplace as Dublin, both boys birthplace given as Roscommon.
I am of the firm belief that somebody knows what happened to the parents, they could not just have gone missing, it was the time of the famine with little or no records kept in Ireland, but the Mc Donnell's must have known and told members of the family, but it has been kept a very close secret.
With kind Regards. alecjack
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Hello again,
I'm a bit confused here - I don't see the boys with the aunt and uncle in 1851 :-\
In 1861 there is another sister with Maria- Margaret Keogh plus Charlotte and husband - is that the right family?
The families are presumably Protestant and from what I saw elsewhere- are they established - so would not have perhaps escaped the famine through poverty?
That's why I wondered if there was a will or family papers.
The parents may have just died and there is no record of their graves.
Are you sure of the townland/parish where they lived?
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Hi heywood
Thanks for your prompt reply.
I feel sure that John Wiiliam jnr emigrated to Canada/USA at the same time as girls went to London, an American contact i have believes he was only 16 when he went.
Mathew Redmond we believe went to Liverpool and was taken in by another relative, and then spent the rest of his life there.
Yes you have the right family Alicia married a John Keogh in 1859 in Hackney.
I don't think they were Protestant as my GGranmother is buried in Brighton in the Catholic section of the graveyard, however her husband was quite well off and much older than her and almost certainly Protestant, my Grandfather their son was Protestant and so was my Mother, so i think the money carried the day as far a religion was concerned.
Have been unable to find any papers and my visit to Roscommon History Centre revealed nothing, thats what makes it so interesting.
No regards townland/parish all i have has come from Charlotte's marriage and death cert. and the USA contact re. John William and marriage and death certs. for Mathew Redmond. Alicia after her marriage to John Keogh emigrated to USA and died Old Forge Lackawanna Pennsylvania abt October 1876.
Regards alecjack
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wow so we are related yes belmont rd rings a bell , i have got up to mathew redmond and did know his wife maiden name , love to chat more if u have msn , where in liverpool are u ? iam in childwall , thanks for ur reply
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i have the marriage certicate of william remond ofallon who married ada mary mcilvenna , william was age 29 when married at west derby liverpool , they where married in november 1902 , and william father mathew redmond did live in 59 belmont rd and on the certicate it says he deceased , he must of died in that year of williams wedding , william was my great grandfather , and his daughter elsie veronica o'fallon who was born in 25/11/1917 she was my nan and married thomas mcnally 10/8/1934.
william redmond was a engine fitter and mathew redmond was a cleark of works , school board officer
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Att. William Mc Nally
I have found some notes i received from another distant relative of the O'Fallons, and it says your GGrandfather William Redmond had 10 children so you must by now have 100's of relatives.
It looks like we share the same GGGrandfather John William born Athlone Roscommon abt 1805 and his wife Jane Conry who he married abt 1831 that is missing from all relatives research and its this pair that i am keen to get any information.
Are you in touch with any O'Fallons still left in the Liverpool area ? if so they may have some information handed down over the years.
I live down on the South Coast in a place called Seaford,don't think there is any O'Fallons down here but there must be relatives still in Liverpool area as this is where many of the Irish families settled in the late 1800's
Regards
alecjack
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wow he had 10 children , ive only been doing this a few months and have no contct with ofallons , to be honest i dont know if my nan who is elsie veronica ofallon { mcnally ] had brothers and sisters , i think she had 1 sister who lived in llandudno in wales , and love to know who her brother and sisters where , do u have anything at all if there was a alex in the fmaily ?
regards
william anthony mcnally , there are strong links to the ofallon name , my dad was william mathew , his brother was john and brother thomas and sister bernadette
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Att. William Mc Nally
Have only got bits and pieces, but have details of your GGrandfathers brothers and sisters one of which was Albert Earnest O'Fallon born 19/12/1881Liverpool died abt 1942 at 13 Greencroft Road Wallasey Wife's name Hannah Kitching Born 14/01/1878 Settlebeck Sedburgh Yorkshire died abt 1950 at 44 Greencroft Road Poulton Wallasey.
They had 4 children.
Robert Redmond Born 6/2/1899 Killed France 1917
Irene Josephine Born 1/10/1900 Dyke Street Liverpool
Nora Lilian Born 10/11/1902 23 Salisbury Road Liverpool
Mathew Earnest Born ? 23 Salisbury Road Liverpool. Died Preston Lancs. 1960 ?
Hope this gives you something to go at.
Regards
alecjack
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Hello again alecjack,
The only references I can see online are those from USA which you must have regarding JW jnr.
Fallon (O') and Conry seem to be very common in that area and I imagined it would be difficult to track down the right families and area. The gentleman in USA says he has done a lot of research. I was going to ask you how you know the mother is jane Conry unless it has been passed down through the family.
The link between the McConnells (is that the right name as Maria is McDonnell in 1861?), the Keoghs and the Fallons seems to be evident in 1851 and 1861 censuses.
There is a death for a Ross Keogh which would perhaps substantiate the other reports re these particular Keoghs and the lost house at Keoghville that the USA chap states elsewhere.
What is interesting/confusing between those two censuses, is those other 'children' who don't seem to fit with the McConnells:
Henry Colls son 14 yrs b Middlesex
Isabella Colls daughter 1 yrs b Middlesex
regards
heywood
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Hi heywood
Thanks for your interest in the O'Fallons, perhaps we may get there in the end
I have all the USA information, most of it coming from George Duffy, all my other contacts in the UK have based most of theirs on Duffy also, i think he started in the 50's, he is a descendant of the Keogh's.(Alicia marries John Keogh 1859 Hackney, emigrates, dies Old Forge Pennsylvania 5/10/1876)
Regarding Jane Conry the USA data is as follows.
John William O'Fallon B Athlone Roscommon abt 1805, thought to have died 3/3/1838 (I am suspicious of this data, if correct childrens birth dates look wrong for Mathew Redmond abt 1838 and Charlotte 1838-1840, JW Jnr. 1834 and Alicia 1838 or he is not the right JW O'Fallon snr.)
Married Jane Conry 1831 Duaghter of Mathew Conry of Kindrum. Co. Roscommon, as revealed in the index of Marriage License Bonds, Diocese of Elphin. LDS film No. 0100868. She was born 1810.
There does exists a marriege settlement deed between the O'Fallon's and the Conry's Circa 1831. It is thought to be among the Registry of Deeds in Dublin and the LDS church are thought to have a microfilm of it No. 0100868
The link to the Mc Donell's is that Peter married J W O'Fallon Snr sister Maria thus becoming the Auntie and Uncle and it was them that took the two girls to London,that fact i have proven on UK census 1851.
One very interesting detail i found which is very much a long shot, i found a Jane Conry in the 1841 census, Birmingham, right age,right time, right name if returned to maiden name, but no marriage or death cert for UK,did she then emigrate/return to Ireland ??
There is so much mystery surrounding this family that is makes it virtually impossible to leave this investigation alone, most of the decendants have given up.
With kind regards
alecjack
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hi thanks for some more information , in this message mathew and nora lived in 23 salisbury road , well my gg father was felix mcilvenna my nans grandfather who lived in 64 salisbury road , felix mcilvenna daughter ada married william redmond ofallon in 1902 , so looks like the familys grew up close to each other .
do you have list of william redmond ofallon and ada ofallon children please , and do u have information on how william redmond ofallon and mathew redmond ofallon on how the died ? thanks for ur help .
as i said iam new to this quite addictive , iam getting a lot from nans side ofallons , but my grandfather thomas mcnally , up to now brick wall he was born abt 1909 and married august 1934 to elsie veronica ofallon , but he left my nan in the late 40s and went to australia , never seen him or met , i know thomas father was john patrick mcnally
regaurds william anthony mcnally
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Hello William,
If you look at Free BMD http://www.freebmd.org.uk/
you can search for births - there are three O'Fallon births which are post 1916 which show mother's name McIlvenna. Before this time, the registers didn't give mother's name.
William and Ada married 1902 so there were probably a few children born before 1916.
If you then look at 1911 census http://www.1911census.co.uk/
there is a free index to search and then you can download (for a fee) the census page of your family.
If you use the surname and then the 'other members of the household' part at the bottom of the search box, you can check that you have the right family.
regards
heywood
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Hello William,
If you look at Free BMD http://www.freebmd.org.uk/
you can search for births - there are three O'Fallon births which are post 1916 which show mother's name McIlvenna. Before this time, the registers didn't give mother's name.
William and Ada married 1902 so there were probably a few children born before 1916.
If you then look at 1911 census http://www.1911census.co.uk/
there is a free index to search and then you can download (for a fee) the census page of your family.
If you use the surname and then the 'other members of the household' part at the bottom of the search box, you can check that you have the right family.
regards
heywood
thank you for your message , as iam new to this , the 1911 ceusus looks a great site , but but dont have funds at moment to search that site , due to being out of work ill at moment , so thought ill look up my family tree to pass time away while i get over ilness , but thanks for ur help .
regaurds william anthony mcnally
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I understand and you will get hooked!
You can search the indexes though for free and can often get quite a bit of information from there - children etc.
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thanks for ur help , to be honest its doing my head to find out abt my grandfather , i know his name thomas mcnally and born abt 1909 , was born in liverpool , he married in 1934 to elsie vernica ofallon , he left mt nan in the late 40s to australia , me dad di not speak much abt him said he was a bit of a nasty guy , i know he was a marine fireman , but thats all i know , his father is on his marriage certicate john patrick mcnally , and love to know his wife and the year he was born , it says thomas mcnally was age 25 on his marriage certifcate they where married 10th aug 1934 so i work it out around 1909 on his birth , so if i can get link to his mum and dad john patrick mcnally .
reguards william anthony mcnally
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If you look on Lancashire BMD there is one marriage for a John P McNally- no John Patricks but lots of John McNally.
http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/
The one who is a possible fit- John P McNally married a Rose McVey in 1908 in West Derby so that would fit.
Free BMD has him as John Patrick McNally- getting more hopeful. :D
There is a Thomas McNally born 1909.
If you look again at Free BMD and enter McNally and mother's surname McVey - there are lots of children born after 1911 to this couple. Perhaps some of the names will be familiar in the family.
To make sure you have the right people here, you will have to get a marriage certificate to find their father's names. So these may have to wait a while.
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If you look on Lancashire BMD there is one marriage for a John P McNally- no John Patricks but lots of John McNally.
http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/
The one who is a possible fit- John P McNally married a Rose McVey in 1908 in West Derby so that would fit.
Free BMD has him as John Patrick McNally- getting more hopeful. :D
There is a Thomas McNally born 1909.
If you look again at Free BMD and enter McNally and mother's surname McVey - there are lots of children born after 1911 to this couple. Perhaps some of the names will be familiar in the family.
To make sure you have the right people here, you will have to get a marriage certificate to find their father's names. So these may have to wait a while.
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thanks very much it does sound promising , u said look after 1911 there are other children , cant seem to find it ill keep searching , but sounds promising , thank you
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Just go to Free BMD site
look for births
Surname: McNally
Mother's Surname: McVey
date range from 1911 - leave the end date open
District: Liverpool
hope that helps :)
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it does look promising and mcvey family lived in next street to where most of family are from , of scotland rd in liverpool , ive seen all there kids , but thomas seems there is no link to mcvey and mcnally marriage married 1908 , but there first child seems to be 1911 daughter and then abt another 8 kids , but thomas must of been first born 1909 , but there is a strong lin.k john patrick and rose mcvey , thanks for your help
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Before 1911 the records don't show the mother's name in the indexes.
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is there certain reasons for not showing in the index before 1911 ? does this happen a lot ?
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The civil registration index online is taken from the actual indexes and they did not show the mother's maiden name.
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hi hope your well ,
you said you have a few comtacts with the o'fallons , do you have any information on eileen o.fallon , she moved to llandudno and married walter barlow in 1938, they had 2 sons and walter and john , and maybe john is still alive he will be abt 62 , my sister lived in llandudno and love to try get in touch , my dad always talked abot his family in llandudno .
regards william mcnally
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Please remember that we aren't allowed to post details of living, or possibly living, people here.
oh sorry iam new too this
regards william mcnally
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Have found John William O'Fallon.
Born abt 1807
Died 1842.
Buried Glasnevin Cemetry Dublin.
Still looking for wife Jane Conry.
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I am researching this family too. Thank you for all of this great information!