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Census Lookups General Lookups => Census and Resource Discussion => Census Lookup and Resource Requests => Topic started by: sponsford on Monday 13 September 10 13:58 BST (UK)
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Hello, I wonder if anyone can help me. Would you do me a very big favour in looking up any of these following ancestors who were all living in Cheshire during 1918.
( 1 ) Charles Edward Fisher born Dublin 22.03.1896
( 2 ) Robert Henry White Fisher born Dublin 15.11.1897
( 3 ) Walter Nesbit Fisher born Dublin 31.05.1899
( 4 ) Evangeline Booth Fisher born Dublin 08.11.1900
( 5 ) Kezian Eveline Fisher ( Kezi ) born Dublin 22.07.1903
( 6 ) William Edward Fisher Born Cheshire 1905
( 7 ) Elizabeth Kathleen W.Fisher born Cheshire 1908
( 8 ) Gorden Redfern Fisher born Cheshire 1910
Their father was William Edward Fisher and their mother was Elizabeth Fisher ( nee Williamson )
Any details you obtain regarding ( 1 ) marrages ( 2 ) deaths ( 3 ) children and ( 4 ) address would be very gratefully received.
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CheshireBMD has the following possible marriages:
1923 Charles Edward to Emmeline Meakin at Stockport, St Mary
1928 Robert H W to Hilda M Heskitt at Runcorn, civil
nothing Walter N, Evangeline B, Kezian E, William E, Elizabeth K,
http://www.cheshirebmd.org.uk/cgi/marrind.cgi
UKBMD will enable you to search more areas and FreeBMD has reasonable coverage into the 30s now:
http://www.ukbmdsearch.org.uk/index.php
http://www.freebmd.org.uk/
For children of these marriages as they could be alive RootsChat prefers us not to post details. FreeBMD allows searches using father's surname & mother's maiden name which would produce those so far transcribed.
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Thank you very much, I am helping my Uncle out with this. I have done my own tree in the UK to a degree but haven't had experience with Irish records yet. I have now got the Birth indexes for all of these. That marriage is useful, thanks!
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Hello Sponsford
Robert Henry White Fisher was my mother's father. He died when she was only 3 months old, and she never knew much about him. She always said she thought he was Irish, but my own investigations never managed to get any proof of this, in fact the only detail I ever found was his father being a Customs Officer.
If you have any further information I would be very grateful.
Thanks
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Simonbmr - welcome to RootsChat. I hope Sponsford will be able to get back to you - he/she hasn't been on this site for a few weeks, so I've sent a personal message (PM) to them about the thread. As you're a newcomer you need to have made three valid posts before you can do this (a response on this thread would count as a second post).
In the meantime I'll add the link to the National Archives guide to researching Customs Officers in case it is of interest:
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/records/looking-for-person/customs-officer.htm?WT.lp=rg-3174
Best wishes!
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Hi, thank you for the warm welcome. I was astonished when I found the thread. I have been trying to track down my mum's dad for years, and I just thought I would try Googling his name one more time, and low and behold!
Thanks again.
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Hello Simon,
This is my Mothers side of the family tree and my Uncle is working on that bit I have been working on my Fathers tree.
Where do you want to go with Robert? He is my mother's father's half-brother. I have a lot of information on the rest of our part of the tree but I don't have anything more on what happened to Robert, I can ask my Uncle if he has any more information though.
I will let you know if there is any more info.
Stew
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Hi Stew
Thanks for replying.
I see you are from Southampton, so am I. My parents moved down here from Manchester in the 50s.
I have applied for a copy of Robert's birth certificate from Dublin, so hopefully that will give me more information on his mum and dad. The family story my mother told was that after Robert died, Hilda, my grandmother, my mum nad her sister all moved in with Robert's family in London. hence our confusion over Ireland. Subsequently my grandmother and mother went to work for a family in Derby, leaving my mum's sister with family in London. As William Heskett was dead by 1928, when Robert and Hilda married, I can only assume the family in London were from Catherine's side, but she was born in Co. Tyrone? Did she remarry?
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Hi Simon,
That is a coincidence we are both in Southampton. My parents moved here from Wales in the 80's. My Uncle has done a lot of research and I have some stuff he sent me in the past regarding William Edward Fisher, I will see if I can find that.
Stew
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Hi Stew
Thanks for all your help.
I have a copy of Robert Fisher's death certificate, and a copy of the marriage certificate of Robert and Hilda if you would like me to scan and send them to you let me know.
Could you elaborate on your mother's father being Robert's half brother? Who was the shared parent, and do you know anything about the Fishers, or possibly the Williamsons being in London?
Simon
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Hi Simon,
That would be very kind of you, I don't ever turn away offers of information on my tree!
My mother's father was Arthur William Fisher and he is Robert's brother from Edward William Fisher & Alice.
Alice died between 1889 and 1895, Edward then married Elizabeth Susan Annie Williamson. They married on 11/01/1895 in the City of Dublin Registrary Office.
I don't know anything at the moment about family in London but will see if my uncle has any more information.
Stew
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Hi Stew
Silly question, but how do I send you the images?
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Hi Simon,
I can't PM you my email address, I notice you have your email in your profile, I will email that address and you can reply to it.
Cheers
Stew
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Hi Stew and Simon,
While looking for some family info. I stumbled on this thread and was amazed to see a list of names that are very familiar to me. Greetings from the son of Walter Nesbit Fisher!
To briefly answer Stew's original query:
Charles, Kezzie (Kezia), and Kathleen (Elizabeth) did not marry.
Robert - you know more about than do I.
Walter married and had a son and daughter (my sister and I).
Eva (Evangeline) married and had a son.
Bill (William) married but had no children.
Gordon married and had a son.
And one you missed out:
Barrie (Ethel Barrington Fisher, born Cheshire 1912) married and had 2 sons and a daughter.
They, their spouses, and Eva's son are all gone now. My other cousins I am not sure about.
My grandparents William Edward and Elizabeth Susan Annie died in 1918 and 1951 respectively.
It was a revelation to learn William was a widower when he married Elizabeth in 1895 - there's no hint on the MC. All I know for sure is his father was John M. Fisher, wine merchant, deceased by January 1895. Any other info. I have on his parents and siblings is apocryphal; so I would be grateful for any details you are prepared to provide. Of course, I shall be more than happy to pass on any further information you may want about my branch of the family.
John.
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Hello John,
Thanks for making contact it's great to find another member of the family! This web site has so far dug up 3 family members who were looking into their own part of the tree before we discovered each other.
I have passed your message onto my Uncle who is concentrating on the Fisher side and has done a lot of work already. I have been going up my fathers side of the family tree and so far that has been enough for me to handle!
Stew
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Thanks for the response Stew.
In twenty odd years of spasmodic family research, I have never encountered anyone tracing the same Fishers. Now suddenly, like buses, two come along together. We seem to be a rare breed!
In the pre-internet days I spent a lot of time researching in Dublin; but surviving records were either not then available to the public or were difficult to access - and seldom indexed. Not much was achieved, so I more or less shelved the Fisher research and concentrated on my mother's English line; which was so much easier.
Today there is a host of Irish records available - many on line; so having blown the dust off my Fisher file, I arrived here - and bumped into you and Simon. (He may not have seen my post; so I will take the liberty of contacting him via email.)
Thanks for passing on my message to your uncle. I look forward to making contact with him.
Good luck on researching your father's side of the family.
John.
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I'm just wondering if you would know if these fishers have any relation to a Nathaniel Fisher from Dublin. He was born about 1861, married an anne(corcaran i think?), had three daughters Catharine, Mary and Annie, and two sons John and James. They lived in drumcondra area?
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Hi,
Looking at Nathaniel's family in the 1901 and 1911 Censuses, I see they were Roman Catholics;
whereas our Fishers were Methodists. Therefore it is extremely unlikely the two families were related. Sorry.
I can confirm that Nathaniel married Anne Corcoran.
From the 1911 Census:
Catherine Corcoran, Mother in Law.
From the Civil Registration Marriage Index:
Nathaniel Fisher . . . Apr-Jun 1888, Dublin North, Volume 2, Page 479.
Anne Corcoran . . . dto.
Good hunting!
John.
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Over 3 years since your last entry but just wanted to let you know that Nathaniel Fisher although he was in the census as a Catholic was born Church of Ireland/Presbyterian and later converted.
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Thanks for the update.
I see from your other post (Re: joseph lesware 1825) that Nathaniel was the son of Nathaniel Gamble Fisher (born in Londonderry circa 1825 according to the 1901 Census).
To date I have not found any historical connection between our Fishers and Londonderry, so Nathaniel G. most likely came from a different sept.
John.
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Hello,
I am researching my x2 great grandfather, NATHANIEL GAMBLE FISHER, whom, according to the 1901 census and death record, was born in Londonderry in about 1825 and was a Presbyterian.
Could you advise how I may research to find his birth record?
Here are his details:
NATHANIEL GAMBLE FISHER
Born abt 1825 in Londonderry Town
Religion: Presbyterian (married Emily McDonnell in Dublin in Church of Ireland)
Father: James Fisher
Mother: Unknown
Death: 1901 in Dublin
Any help or suggestions that you can give is most appreciated. I am a descendant of Alice Fisher (NATHANIEL AND EMILY MCDONNELL'S daughter) and Ernest John Lesware.
Kind regards,
Sharon Smillie
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...any relation to a Nathaniel Fisher from Dublin. He was born about 1861, married an anne(corcaran i think?), had three daughters Catharine, Mary and Annie, and two sons John and James. They lived in drumcondra area?
...that Nathaniel Fisher although he was in the census as a Catholic was born Church of Ireland/Presbyterian and later converted.
...from your other post (.....) that Nathaniel was the son of Nathaniel Gamble Fisher...
A Nathaniel Fisher, draper's assistant (father Nathaniel, commission agent) married Anne Corcoran on 15 April 1888 at St Lawrence O'Toole RC Church, Dublin.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1888/10767/5926756.pdf
1901 census
House 2 in Drumcondra Road, West Side (Drumcondra, Dublin)
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/Drumcondra/Drumcondra_Road__West_Side/1272263/
1911 census
House 2 in Drumcondra Road Lower (Drumcondra, Dublin)
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Drumcondra/Drumcondra_Road_Lower/24192/
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Hello,
Thank you for your reply.
Nathaniel Gamble Fisher is Nathaniel Fisher's father, I already have his information documented.
I'm having problems finding Nathaniel Gamble Fisher's birth/baptism and parents. Nathaniel Gamble was born abt 1825 in Londonderry. I've pieced together information that he was listed as a Presbyterian on the 1901 Census.
He was also a commissions agent.
I was hoping to find more information from others searching or know of the Presbyterian Church in Londonderry since the record is so old.
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Here are his details:
NATHANIEL GAMBLE FISHER
Born abt 1825 in Londonderry Town
Religion: Presbyterian (married Emily McDonnell in Dublin in Church of Ireland)
Father: James Fisher
Mother: Unknown
Death: 1901 in Dublin
You're going to struggle finding conclusive evidence in that era on the father James. For what it's worth, the only Co. Londonderry James Fisher that made it into the tithe applotment books was one in 'Ballyougery', Templemore (1823-1838). What may be the corresponding 1831 'census' entry shows him head of a family comprising 5 males and 6 females, all Presbyterian:
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/c19/007246497/007246497_00082.pdf
Ballougry townland:
https://www.townlands.ie/londonderry/north-west-liberties-of-londonderry/templemore/liberties-upper/ballougry/
There was another James Fisher entry in that 'census', in the neighbouring townland of Termonbacca, head of a family comprising 2 males and a female, Protestant but neither Presbyterian nor Church of Ireland.
You can search and see for yourself here:
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search/
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Thank you Gaffy, this is a helpful lead.
I will check this out.