RootsChat.Com
Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Longford => Topic started by: tmoffatt on Tuesday 14 September 10 20:21 BST (UK)
-
I have transcribed the entire 1788 & 1792 Voters Lists for Co. Longford, and have a .pdf to download with the entire transcription of 2,100+ individuals. Just reworked the website entirely at - http://mikefamhis.tk/Longford_Voters_list_1790.php (http://mikefamhis.tk/Longford_Voters_list_1790.php) link updated 2015 check under Resources in the left hand navigation bar. - Tom Moffatt
-
Tom
Thanks for access to this comprehensive work of yours. The maps are very helpful too.
My ancestors are proving hard to locate.
Mary Anderson married James Mallon in 1855 in Clongesh
Her parents were Anderson and Sharkie from the same area.
A son Patrick was born to Mary Anderson and her husband in Cambusnethan Lanarkshire in 1875 and the name changed to Mullen.Any clues as to why the name change? Which church would have been in Clongesh-anything to do with religion?
(The Mullens were Catholics.)What would have brought them to Lanarkshire ?
I'd be very grateful for any information about the district and circumstances in that time and any links which you think might help in my search.
-
Hi there - Records adre a lot scarcer for Catholics - they literally were second class folks at the time, so the land leases etc. don't help. I just checked the tithe applotment records, which was almost a head of household census when done - in the case of Clongesh it was 1825. There is only one Mallon there at the time - Charles Mallon in the townland of DEERPARK, which is adjacent to the demesne of Castle Forbes, on the north side. There were no Andersons there - and indeed Anderson is rare in Longford - only 6 listings , and all on the eastern side of the county. then in the Griffiths Valuation, there are three references to Thomas Mallon in Cloonellan Townland. It would be almost due west of Longford Town. There are no Andersons at all in Clongesh. A Margaret at Ballymahon, a couple in Longford Town. Still a rare name.
The Catholic Register in Newtownforbes does exist from 1829. Don't know where you are, but the Mormon Microfilm is #1279219 - it covers 1829 to 1881.
Except for possible Newspaper articles, that is about all I can think of.
-
thanks Tom- I am on to it!
-
Tom
The net has widened to seek Donnelly James married Bridget McMan(n)us in 29.10.1861 Longford....any lead
James Keenan married Mary Green-child Maria who moved to Lanarkshire....Longford
I am struggling to find a good link to search for Irish information on the net... a page like scotland people ...Ancestry isnt all that good I find.
What do you advise?
-
since the marriage you are searching for is before the start of full civil registration you need to know which parish it took place in, so you can check what records may be available.
I assume the family were RC ?
Ancestry has very few Irish records, and no Irish Civil or parish records.
Shane
-
It is so hard to get any information about Irish records.I must be looking in the wrong places Can you advise?
Marriages - all Rc I tHink
1.James Donnelly to Bridget Farrell or Farl Templemichael co Longford
2.Patrick Donnelly to Maria Keenan 4/8/1862
3.James Mullen or Mallon to Mary Anderson Clongesh 8/4/1845
4.James Mullen or Mallon to Mary Sharkie Clongesh 1830 approx.....
-
....
Marriages - all Rc I tHink
1.James Donnelly to Bridget Farrell or Farl Templemichael co Longford
2.Patrick Donnelly to Maria Keenan 4/8/1862
3.James Mullen or Mallon to Mary Anderson Clongesh 8/4/1845
4.James Mullen or Mallon to Mary Sharkie Clongesh 1830 approx.....
the religion makes a big difference, as the parishes, locations and availability of records are different.
RC records are on microfilm in the National Library in Dublin
Church of Ireland records are in the Representative Church Body Library in Rathfarnham.
Some records for Co. Longford are available on a pay-website run by the Irish Family History Foundation at www.rootsireland.ie But check they have the parishes and the dates you need, as not all parishes have old records.
Shane
-
....
2.Patrick Donnelly to Maria Keenan 4/8/1862
3.James Mullen or Mallon to Mary Anderson Clongesh 8/4/1845
...
religion matters most in the search for these two marriages... since non-Catholic marriages were registered from 1845.
see : Introduction to Irish Records (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,442233.0.html)
Shane
-
I just attempted to download the voter list pdf file and all I get is a black screen. HELP!
Kevin
-
Don't know what the problem was you had - I just checked the list and it downloaded fine and came up quickly. Perhaps check whether you have a reasonably updated acrobat reader.
Tom Moffatt
-
Thanks for providing such a wonderful resource.
-
Longford records are quite incredible really. Don't know if your families are Protestant or Catholic. Either way there are some truly excellent resources. From about 1750 there are a lot of leases that were registered, but that mostly works for Protestants (no surprise there!) just as the voting list does.
One thing about the 1790 Voter lists - there are places where it is very difficult to decipher the writing of both names and locations. If there is a particular entry of interest, email me at * and I will get you a jpg of it.
Tom
(*) Moderator Comment: e-mail removed in accordance with RootsChat policy, to protect against spamming and other abuses. Please use the Personal Message (PM) system for exchanging personal data.
See Help-Page: http://www.rootschat.com/help/pms.php
-
What a fabulous effort and a great resource for lots of people.
Because I am still a novice at Irish research I am not sure what I am looking at, I struggle with knowing the names of places
I am looking for Thomas Elliott (Elliot / Eliot) who was a farmer County Longford - his son James Elliott who became a policeman both in Ireland and London - it says James was born Moydow, County Longford and born about 1835-1837 The Metro Police document says that James was a farmer before being a policeman however other records have James as a policeman in Ireland - according to his marriage 1861 Killucan
I am thinking that Thomas Elliott would appear in land records as he was a farmer
Any clues greatly appreciated, regards Alison - Australia
-
Unfortunately it looks like this site has been usurped or moved. Does anyone know if the transcribed list can still be found anywhere?
-
+1
I was hoping to check the list for Staunton's.
-
Found it.
http://mikefamhis.tk/Longford_Voters_list_1790.php (http://mikefamhis.tk/Longford_Voters_list_1790.php)
-
^ Thanks very much :)
-
Thanks Tom I found my Morton/Moreton family on there.
A lot of parish records for Shrule for COI were destroyed in 1922.
Baptisms 1727-1846, marriages 1727-1846 and Burials 1795-1904 are effectively non existent until the official registration period.
-
The link for the Longford 1790 comes up with an error - any suggestions ............. Alison
-
Hi there,
Just tried the links in the thread and neither are working for me ???
I'm looking for Friary's in Longford in particular, but was interested to see who was in what farmlands and the town in that year.
Any help would be much appreciated :)
-
I have a copy of Toms list for 1788 and 1792. Both are transcribed lists by Tom.
Theres a Fry but no Friary
-
That strangely makes sense. There's a family story that our ancestors were originally called Prior from Cavan and when they registered at the Colmicille parish in the early 1800's, their name was misheard/misspelt and changed to Friary.
So far, I've managed to trace them back to my g.g.g grandparents in Augheavans, Scrabby, Bernard Friary and Anne MaGouran/MaGovern/Smith, both born around 1828- 1830. It's been tricky, given that Anne's name was MaGouran for two of her children; MaGovern on the 1851 census and Smith for other children. She seemed to stay on Smith for the later children, so I'm guessing it depended on the times and places for the English-Irish morph between documents. They were in Augheavans in 1865; in Kilmore in 1866 and in Portanure in 1871. In Bernard's later marriage to Bridget Walsh in 1873, he's living in Cloonagh and lists his father as Bernard Friary.
However, this is where the suitable Bernard's stop. The earliest Friary families I can find are listed in the 1834 Leitram congregational records- no Bernard's. And it's not as if it's a common or regular name. The name is largely Longford based. In an effort to get as far as I have, I ended up doing family trees for the Kells Friary's, the Longford Friary's and the Templemichael lot. There's also a few in Meath. The name Bernard however, only crops up now and again and none I've found match an age range for either Bernard's.
Frustrated, I am! Lol.
Was hoping this record might bring up a Friary I could place, but I have a sneaky suspicion the family story might be true.
Thank you for your help :)
-
I would love to look at those Longford voters lists. I am looking for family name Navan, spelt like the town. None of the links in the thread worked. First names in this family include Robert, Samuel and William. Samuel Navan born about 1787 and died at aged 92 was the grandfather of my maternal gggrandfather. So my 4 x g grandfather. There is a family grave in Newtownforbes. Just wondering can I push back another bit. This family also has a connection to family Anderson in Cavan who are listed in a fragment of the 1821 Cavan census, which I stumbled across the other day. I would be very grateful for any help or a working link.
-
couldn't get the link to work - Looking for Thomas Elliott or his son James Elliott born 29 March 1843 Moydow, County Longford (got this from his personnel files as a London policeman) - by 1860 he was in Killucan, Westmeath
No information available on his father Thomas but was hoping he may appear on the 1790 voters list - can anyone look at the list for me, thanks ... Alison
-
I can email the 1788 and 1792 list if anyone wants it. Send me a private message with your email address. No email addresses should be posted in an open forum.
-
Thanks a million. I have pmd you my email details.
-
I hope I have sent a personal message with contact details - thanks heaps for offering the lists to look at - you are a gem
-
there does look to be a problem with the link to tmoffatt page, he is still picking up emails notifications so hopefully he will be able to help us update the link.
Regards
Sarah
-
deleted