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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Fermanagh => Topic started by: Rustyscupp on Wednesday 15 September 10 10:39 BST (UK)
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Anyone know if there is a "Aghalurcher Graveyard Burial Register" available to view and where it can be found. I have a full listing of the headstone inscriptions already. What I seek is the register recording ALL burials including those without headstones.
Appreciate any pointers, I'm visiting the area next year and I suspect I have many of my ancestors from this area buried here, it would be nice to get confirmation. I already have the ones recorded on headstones.
Thanks
Rusty
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It is highly unlikely that there are full burial records for Aghalurcher. This site is a very old graveyard and is used by both Roman Catholic and Protestants. Family lines tend to be buried there, but would be members of other churches in the area. I believed it is council run.
I dont know if you know where Aghalurcher is, but its kinda hard to find! Blink and you would miss it! Here's a link on Google Street View
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0agr/
And the GPS is 54.2302333333,-7.44056111111
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KDDA,
Thanks for the heads up, however I have already found it on streetview, I know for sure I do have relatives buried there, and I plan to visit next year. As I have said, I already have the headstone inscription listings and seek info on persons that may be buried there without a headstone or memorial. I have been told that records "may" exist for some periods and could be under control of Sallaghy Church, This too is on my "locations to visit" along with Newtown Butler C of I Church.
My family all came from the Derryad & Dernish Is area of the former Galloon Parish (Drummully before that), Derryad is about 2.5 miles (as the crow flies) South West of the Old Ahalurcher Graveyard.
If you are a local of that part of Fermanagh, then I welcome all and any local knowledge you may have.
Rusty
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I'm a local, but still much to learn!
Just ask, if I don't know, Ill try my best to find out!
I think our crows are all drunk, they never fly in a straight line! Or maybe the people building the roads couldn't keep up with the crows!
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KDDA,
Ok if you do a couple of dogs legs and stagger the rest drunk the distance would be over the distance the crow would cover unless he had a pull at the bottle too.
ON Roads in the area, looking at a couple of paragraphs in Dermot Maguire's book "Drumlone at the Crossroads".
I quote:
"But for most people in these townlands travel meant walking it. They had been doing that since the mists of time. In the 19th century they often walked the coffin from these townlands to Aghalurcher or Donagh graveyards."
and:
"Many of us of a certain age will remember going to school on the old untarred roads with their sharp loose chippings and speckled with pot holes. Sometimes in the summer time, we tried to prove our hardiness by going to school in our bare feet over such roads. Then in 1954 the smooth tar arrived in Derrylea & other townlands."
The book is a good read for anyone researching the Galloon area, it also has appendices with a lot of BMD info for people from that area.
Rusty
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Good luck.... here it is recently cleared!
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Thanks Hallmark,
I've seem this pic before, hence my request about a burial register (which I've been told may be held at Sallaghy church). I already have the transcribed info from the known headstones there. I still plan to visit, just for a look, but don't hold any illusions I'll find much there.
Rusty
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One thing worth trying is finding out if there is a particular local undertaker who would normally be used and see if their records cover the plots.
I tried this in Monaghan and found a family firm that had carried out the funerals for well over 100 years, they had their own "map" with the plots marked out and I was able to get the Surnames for each plot regardless of g/stones. They have to know which grave to open.
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Thanks Hallmark,
I've seem this pic before, hence my request about a burial register (which I've been told may be held at Sallaghy church). I already have the transcribed info from the known headstones there. I still plan to visit, just for a look, but don't hold any illusions I'll find much there.
Rusty
Are you sure the record is in Sallaghy? Do you have any more info, ie date, names etc?
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KDDA
No not sure, just "Ive been told MAY be held at Sallaghy church", its one of my quests when visiting later this year.
However I'm also told burials were performed there until quite recently, so there must be some kind of a record somewhere.
I have a first cousin twice removed that was buried there in 1984.
I think the post by Hallmark about Undertakers may be worth following up also.
Rusty
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Do you have a name?
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Edward Andrew Gardiner b.21 Sep 1895 at Derryadd, Galloon. Married Anna Evelyn Buchanan Dec 1949 at Carrick on Shannon, Leitrim. He died 3 Jun 1984.
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Interesting !!
Ive found a Edward Andrew Gardiner who was known as "Andy". He wasn't CoI so no point in trying Sallaghy. I believe he was a Methodist at Lisnaskea (need to confirm via phone call)
His father was also Edward, hence being known as Andy and had a brother (Name omitted due to possibly still living) who never married.
Awaiting phone call for more info. Does this sound like your guy?
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KDDA
Yes sounds like him but have all the info, I know his daughter (2nd cousin 1x removed), and am in contact with her. His brother was James Henry born 9 Dec 1893, Died 14 Mar 1976. And yes this part of the family became Methodists, although earlier generations were COI. There was also a daughter Sarah Jane that married a James Leemon, and I am in contact with their son also. Their parents were Edward Gardiner born 18 Dec 1859, Died abt 1946 Married to Elizabeth (Lizzy) Henderson born 18 Jan 1868 at Belturbet, Co Cavan, died 8 may 1859, they were married 5 Mar 1893 at Drumlane Co Cavan. I can identify and trace this family back another 2 generations, because there is a family Bible, that has a lot of the data in it (but not all for the other branches of the family including my own).
These are not the ones I need it's earlier ones, that's why I am looking to find a "burial register" for the cemetery. So I may be able to identify others that may be related that I don't know about, or as yet have been unable to link to my family. Therefore I am searching for ALL Gardiners or Bryans family that may be buried there. I already have the "published" known headstones that are recorded there, what I seek are the burials that have no headstone.
I know you are trying to help, and I am gratefull. I have compiled all (but occasionally find something new) the data available on the internet for both Gardiner & Bryans in the whole of Fermanagh. In a lot of cases the problem is linking into family group's so any and all info helps, often burial records record others eg; James son of Edward of Derrylee, sometimes just a name & date which is not so helpful.
One I seek for sure is my Gt Grandmother Mary Frances (Fanny) Gardiner Nee Bryans Born about 1862 Died ? she is shown on the 1901 & 1911 census living at Dernish Is. So died after 1911, no other info available apart from 2 sons moved to Belfast area & 1 to England between 1914 & 1924. And no the Mary Frances Gardiner shown buried at shankhill Cemetery Belfast is not her.
Rusty
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Found this pic there may be more to see after all!
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hi rusty i am married to a gardiner in england grand father joseph alexander gardiner from derrnish
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Animaldrum,
Whats your husbands/wifes mothers First name?
I suspect I know who you are, but cannot use the PM system until you have posted over 3 messages.
Rusty
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rusty
father in law know as don which may sort out if you know me, just new to this trying to get the hang of it
animaldrum
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Does your name start with an "I" or "D"?
After you reply you should be on the PM system, I'll get back to you there.
Rusty
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***Update***
For anyone searching for info on Aghalurcher Graveyard, It is still in use, and as previously mentioned family lines seem to be the general rule. I could find no specific Register when I visited in August, however the Sallaghy Church burial register does have a lot of entries relating to burials at Aghalurcher (pronounced localy as Ah-Ha-Loch-Her). Although I never had time to check any other church burial registers in the area like Lisnaskea, I would assume they would enter similar information refering to the person "buried at Aghalurcher". See attached pic.
Rusty
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Hi Rusty,
Where did you get the image of the Sallaghy Burial Register?
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KDDA,
From the Sallaghy Burial register. (With Permission)
Rusty
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KDDA,
From the Sallaghy Burial register. (With Permission)
Rusty
Sorry I meant, was it via a camera and the book? Could you PM me the person who gave you access to the book?
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Hi Rusty
I have just found out that my husband's Rutledge family lived in Aghalurcher. Would you be able to check your list of burials for this graveyard for any mention of them please?
Thanks
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Hi Kessa,
Aghalurcher Burial ground dates back to around the 12 century, most burials are as traditional "old families". As there is no actual church there it tends to be used by all churches in the area. The service would be conducted at the host Church with the burial taking place at Aghalurcher. The register of the host church would record the burial and note in the register "Buried at Aghalurcher"
Sallaghy Church (COI) since 1840 has been one of them. I can confirm there are no Rutledge entries in the Sallaghy registers that still exist, the burial registers prior to 1884 were lost in the Dublin records office fire. It is possible that any records wherever the service was conducted has been lost. Early Irish burial records at best were pretty poor, if recorded at all.
There were other churches/chapels that also use Aghalurcher Burial ground, Among them Newtownbutler, Lisnaskea, Clones & I believe even Aghavea. I would guess they would be COI, but Aghalurcher has historically been multi denominational. It is still in use today, and I am told some new "Family names" have appeared.
My next port of call would be COI Lisnaskea, but remember there are also a couple of Methodist Chapels in the area also.
Attached a low res pic
Rusty
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Many thanks Rusty for your quick reply and for all the information you have sent. I will think it through carefully and work out what my next step should be. Thank you also for the lovely photo of the cemetery.
Kerrie
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Stone Carving, Aghalurcher
Sculptured headstones in Aghalurcher cemetery as well as those in Galloon, Drumully and Donagh have carved on the reverse, sometimes in relief, symbols of the skull and crossed-bones, bell, hourglass and coffin. The bell was the usual method of telling or announcing the death. The hourglass reminds us that time passes for us all. The coffin represents the resting place of the body within the grave and replaced the system of uncoffined burials of earlier times. The skull and crossed-bones remind us starkly of man’s mortality.
In her publication "Images of Stone" (Belfast, 1976, p. 97) Helen Hickey states:
In the east part of Fermanagh, at Pubble, Aghalurcher and Galloon, the stone-carvers produced a very distinctive type of grave-slab bearing the emblems of man’s mortality---skull, crossed bones, sand-timer, bell and coffin.
Just a little info for those interested.
Rusty
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I have recently been back to Fermanagh, took more pictures of this cemetery along with others around the Galloon area. They have been passed to Fermanagh Gold & IGP Archives website to publish. It is also hoped that some transcriptions will be available.
IGP Archives have already got the Aghalurcher Headstones up with many transcribed, see here: http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/fermanagh/photos/tombstones/markers.htm
I am sure many will find this of use if researching Galloon area or Southern Fermanagh.
Rusty
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Hello Rusty. I visited Aghalurcher cemetery this past May. Wonderfully ancient and in a beautiful setting. I know my direct ancestors, Archibald and Elizabeth Stutt, are buried there (1848 and 1867) but I don't know where. Do you know if there is a plot map for the cemetery?
Merv
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Hi Merv,
Some time ago I attempted to locate a source for a possible Graveyard Plot or at least some kind of Burial list. I received an email back from the department in Fermanagh Council that deals with Cemetery's. I cannot locate the email now, but the basic information was that they did hold as paper copies some information for various graveyards (but they would not specify which). These documents can be seen only if you call to view them at their offices. No copies can be made and you must be able to prove relationship to those you seek.
Note: Many of the flat Slab tombstones were flipped over to preserve the inscriptions some years ago. The grass cutting was found to be damaging some. One of my own family slabs, location known to family, was turned over in this manner. So if there is a stone there for Archibald & Elizabeth It is possible that it too was flipped.
I also attempted to locate or identify any old grave diggers from the past, to see if I could source possible records, no success there either.
I am glad you were able to visit though, given that thousands of people have probably been interred there in the history of the graveyard ,it is so peacefull and not in the least bit spooky. Just knowing some of my family are there is enough for me, even if some of the graves are unmarked.
Should you follow up with the Council, I would be interested in any developments, or progress.
Rusty
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Thanks for the reply and the info Rusty. Not wanting to sound morbid but I found it to be a beautiful setting made even more special knowing my direct ancestors were laid to rest there... and therefore I have a direct connection to the place which is wonderful.