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In 1841 I have the following JOY family in High Street Tonbridge.
William 45 Plumber
Ann 40
Caroline 20
Elizabeth 10
Stephen 8
Frederick 6
William was born in Brenchley (bap1797) Caroline married in 1841 and I have found her and her husband in the 1861 census. I can't find the others in 1861 on 1837online - they may be mis-transcribed or the older ones may have died.
If anyone can find them in Tonbridge High Street for me in 1851 I would be very grateful.
Barbara F
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Hi Barbara
I will be going to Tonbridge reference library early next week, so will have a look for you on the 1851 census.
Lindy Lou
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Hi Lindy Lou
That is really kind of you - thanks in advance.
Barbara F
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Hi Barbara
I found the following in the 1851 census:
William Joy Head M 53 Plumber K.Brenchley
Ann Joy Wife M 54 K.Maidstone
William Son U 21 K.Tonbridge
Elizabeth Daug U 23 K.Tonbridge
Frederick Son U 18 K.Tonbridge
All living at Priory Terrace, (which was part of Tonbridge town on the eastern side of the High Street, between the Lower Bridge and Brook Street Lane)
Ref: HO.107/1615 - page 32
I also came across another JOY family where the father was also born at Brenchley so didn't know if they were too do with your family tree so have included them as well.
Henry Joy Head M 31 ?ra??er K.Brenchley
Mary Joy Wife M 31 ?ra??er Wife K.Wrotham
Henry Son U 4 Scholar K.Tonbridge
Benjamin Thorne Lodger U 23 Coachman K.Tonbridge
Mary Steel Serv. U 10 House Servant K.Tonbridge
All living at 55 High Street, Booking Office. (This would have been over the road from William and his family)
Ref: HO.107/1615 - page 15
Hope this gives you the information you was seeking.
Regards
Lindy Lou
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Lindy Lou
Thank you very much for both of the extracts. I now know who was alive in 1851 so can search for deaths or marriages as well as continuing to try to track them down in 1861.
I think Henry is one of mine. I collect anything on Brenchley Joys as I am hoping to join up all of the families eventually ;D
Barbara
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Hi Barbara
I have families that come from Brenchley so when I am researching mine if I come across any JOY's I will make a note of them for you.
Lindy Lou
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Lindy Lou
Thank you for that.
Which families are you researching? I have quite a few pages of census extracts for Brenchley and am quite happy to look for your names - you may be lucky!
I have pages containing Joy families for all the censuses from 1841 - 1891.
Barbara
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Hi Barbara
The families I am researching from Brenchley are Saunders, Outteridge and Jeffery. I have the census extracts for the above and have been ploughing through the parish records for b.m.d. I will also be going to the County Records in Maidstone during the next few months to look at the Parish Chest.
So may find some Joy's while I am looking for mine.
Lindy Lou
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Lindy Lou
Thank you. Will keep a look out for your names as well when I do some more Brenchley research. I have all the PR records relating to Brenchley Joys up to 1900 so my next areas of research are the Parish Chest and wills.
Barbara
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Hi
Does anyone have a Daniel Joy, born Bedfordshsire about 1838.
Thanks
Regards
Maureen
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Maureen
Sorry. All my Joy family at that time were in Brenchley, Kent.
Barbara
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Hi does any one have any Joy's in or around the Shipbourne or Hadlow area in the mid to late seventeen hundred's ?
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Hello and welcome to Rootschat :)
My Joy family is primarily from Brenchley, which is South East of Hadlow, but I have collected quite a bit of information about Joys from Kent during my research.
Who do you have in your tree and what information are you looking for?
Barbara
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Hi Barbara.
John Joy Married Elizabeth Collins in Shipbourn 1794
Children where:
John 1807
William 1803
Marianne 1811
John Married Remillion Collins abt 1834
Children:
William 1834
John 1835
Mary Ann 1838
I'm really looking for the parents of John abt 1773, but also interested in finding any other people that have a connection to my tree, John is my Great * 4 Grandfather.
Regards
Adi Joy
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Hi Barbara,
One of my grandfathers sisters Alice Clara Watkins married a Harold Joy.The Watkins family lived in Brenchley so was wondering if they are in your tree?
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Hi Adi
The name Remillion seems familiar but I will need to dig out some old papers and see what I have.
Hi Bulsara
I do have a Harold in my tree, born about 1882. Is this the right timescale?
Barbara
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Hi Barbara,
I have no date for Harold but Alice was born 1887 so could be him.Have you any children for him?
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I have only traced Harold G Joy to the 1901 census when his occupation was bricklayer and he was living with his parents and numerous siblings in Commercial Road, Paddock Wood.
Have just had a look at Free BMD and see there is a marriage in Tonbridge RD for a Harold G Joy in Sep Q 1910 and that Alice appears on the same page - so I think he is very likely the right Harold! Also see a birth of a Dorothy A Joy 1911 in Tonbridge RD with mother Watkins.
If he is of interest I can let you have a lot of information about his Joy ancestors - I have a fairly well proven line back to William Joy in the very early 1600s
Barbara
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Hi Barbara,
There were 3 girls Dolly,Megan and Betty.Harold and Alice lived in Paddock Wood near the station.I suppose Dorothy could have been known as Dolly although my mum(91) is called Doll by her sisters,her real name is Doris!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Barbara,
I see you also have a Larkin family.One of Alice's brothers Amos Watkins married Jemima Elizabeth Larkin in Tonbridge.
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Hi Bulsara
I think Dorothy was very likely to have been known as Dolly.
Thanks for the information about Jemima Larkin but I don't think she is one of mine.
Barbara
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Adi
I have looked at my papers but do not seem to have anything on your family. Sorry.
Barbara
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Hi Barbara , thanks for looking ;)
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Hi Barbara. I've only just found this site and registered today!
Re the Joy family from Paddock Wood.
Harold was Harold Gladstone Joy who married Alice Clara Joy.
It is correct that they had 3 children, Dolly (WAS Dorothy and died aged 12 from Diabetes), Megan (Married a James Dungate) and Betty Lucy Jane (married William Johnson from East Peckham).
Betty & William (Bill) had 2 Sons, Michael ("Mike" born 1942) and Keith (born 1950).
I am that Keith and together with my brother we are trying to piece together as much as possible of our family tree - don't have much yet and I can't get to the local sites of information (i.e. Parish Churches, etc.) because I now live in Yorkshire, Mike married a Barbara and now lives in East Sussex. For some reason mum didn't know many details about her dad's family but did manage to remember the names of her 10 uncles & aunts on her mother's side (I'm not certain that all are correct though). I can give you a list if that would be of any use in cross referencing. [I have in my possession a Bible given to Betty in memory of her sister Dorothy]. It would be very nice to hear from you and find out where you fit into the family. I can confirm that my grandparents did live near the station, actually in Station Road in one of a pair of houses (that still stand and are lived in) called Forge Cottages - that was where I was born. There was another Joy family in Commercial Road, Paddock Wood, but they are not related - All I know about them is that the father was called Billy and was a "Snob" (shoe repairer) and about the same age as my parents.
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Hi Bulsara. As can be seen from my post to Barbara, I am new here.
If you have read that post please do so as you might find some new info there.
I would love to know which of my grandmother's brothers is your grandfather - my mother was not the sort to keep in touch with family. Her attitude was "they don't contact me why should I contact them and I told her literally hundreds of times that they are probably feeling the same, especially as many had been in touch but she didn't bother to reply! So, we have very little information about her father's family and not a great deal more about her mother's family. She did tell me that Charles had a son called Douglas who had a daughter called Cheryl and my brother seems to remember that Tom had 3 daughters. One of the boys married (unknown wife) and had at least 2 daughters; Vera and Hilda. Hilda married a William Jones and they had 2 sons, William and Michael. William married twice but only had children from the first marriage. I do not know anything about Michael yet but my brother (also Michael) is in contact with him. It would be great to get in direct contact to share any other info. I could also put you and Barbara in contact with my brother. All for now. I hope to hear from you soon.
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Hi Keith and welcome to Rootschat.
It is good to find another Joy researcher :)
I will look at my tree and check exactly how my family fits with yours, I know it is not a very close relationship but we do connect - somewhere in the 1700s I think!
In the meantime it would be advisable to take out the names of living people from your posts. Those details are best shared privately.
Have to go out shortly but will get back to you later today I hope.
Barbara
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Hello,It's a long time since I was on this site.My grandfather was Thomas Elon Adulphus Watkins.He married twice his first wife died leaving him with 2 small daughters my mum Doris and her sister Hilda.He had 2 more daughters with his second wife Vera and Joan.
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Hi again.
It's nice to know that there are still some of the family out there.
I have a photo of 2 of the girls but can't remember for certain which they are (I think Hilda and Vera).
If you wish I can let you have my direct email address, unless you can get it from my profile pages. Brilliant to hear from you though and I'll let my brother know about this site so he can join in too. He's going to start some local searching after Christmas so he might come up with something useful. Also my daughter (I have 2 girls and a boy) works in the Tunbridge Wells Register Office and I'm trying to get her to look up some info too. Anything I find I'll pass it on, just in case you don't have it. Thanks for the extra info. It would be nice to keep in touch (unlike my mother did). Take care and stay well. Best Wishes, Kerijo999.
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Would like to see the photo.
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Hi Keith
According to my records Harold had 10 siblings so that accords with your mother's memory. Wouild be a good idea to check our lists.
Harold was the son of Albert Joy and Sarah Sanders.
Albert was the son of Alexander Joy and Elizabeth Underdown
Alexander was the son of Alexander Joy and Elizabeth Warrener
Alexander was the son of William Joy and Sarah Playfoot/Splayfoot and the brother of William Joy who was my 5 x great grandfather.
I have a variety of details about these people eg baptisms, burials, marriage information, census. let me know what you are looking for and I will try to help.
In the meantime I realise I have not updated this part of my Joy tree for some time so I have some work to do!
Barbara
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Hi
My name is Anthony Joy, my father was Gordon Dumbrell Joy of Paddock Wood he was born in about 1916/17 is now deceased.
I too am trying to put together some family history. At the moment I have no info on the recent years i.e. late 1800's up to present. Albert (Bert) Joy, Cyril Joy, Molly Joy, Patrick Joy rings a bell, these are some names that spring to mind. My father once told me that Harold Joy who ran Paddock Wood post office was the son of one of his brothers. At the moment I have a fairly blank canvas and I would like to put some colour on it.
Any info would be helpful.
Anthony
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Hi Anthony and welcome to Rootschat. :)
Seems all the Joy family is surfacing!
Were your grandparents William Edwin Joy and Louisa Kate Dumbrell? If so, I do have information on your family. Let me know what you have already and what you are now looking for.
Barbara
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Hello Barbara
How nice it is to hear from you, they were my fathers parents and maybe when I was very young I did meet them at Paddock Wood, either in Commercial Road or Old Kent Road where they had their family living with them and also in some houses which I believe were built by the family.
I am now 68yo and would like to know more about the relatives. As I recall we were never a close knit family on our side but our roots are all in Paddock Wood/Brenchley.
I would be very pleased to know what info you may have as I have none at the moment and I consider myself to be a computer illiterate so it is going to be a very slow process for meto collect and collate the info.
All help is welcome.
Regards
Anthony
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Barbara
There was something that I remember, my father said that he had a brother lost in WW1 even before my father was born, and I believe that the brother may have been below the age requirements then to go to war!
It's all such a long time ago and it's not easy remembering things. I guess I would like to work backwards from now.
Regards
Anthony
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Hi again Anthony.
Always best to work backwards from something you definitely know to be true!
So, starting with the death of your father, his death registration gives the following information
Gordon Dumbrell Joy
Birth Date:11 Feb 1916
Date of Registration:Oct 2004
Registration district:Kent
Register Number:KDC3
District and Subdistrict:564/1C
Entry Number:291
Birth dates and ages given at death can be inaccurate as they are dependant on what the person registering the death knows. In this case if we look for a birth registration we find
Births Mar 1916
Joy Gordon D Dumbrel Tonbridge 2a 1517
Dumbrel is the maiden name of the mother. Maiden names of mothers are shown on birth indexes from the September Quarter 1911. Tonbridge is the Registration District, 2a the volume and 1517 the page number. This reference enables the certificate to be located by the GRO. Note that March 1916 relates to births registered in January, February and March 1916.
A good free site for finding birth, marriage and death registrations is
http://www.freebmd.org.uk
You might want to try searching that site for surname Joy and mother's maiden name Dumbrel/ Dumbrel to find some of the siblings of Gordon.
You are right that one of Gordon's brothers died in WW1. Have a look at this entry on another excellent free site
http://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/57562/JOY,%20HARRY%20JAMES
When you start researching your family it is a good idea to collect together as many pieces of information as possible from family members including birth, marriage and death certificates. Have you subscribed to any family history research sites? Once you are back to 1911 the 10 yearly censuses are excellent for furthering your research.
Finally (for now) I have death dates for William Edwin Joy on 1 March 1936 and for his wife Louisa Kate on 3 January 1944.
Barbara
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Barbara
Thank you so much for what you are doing for me.
I have not yet subscribed to any site at the moment, but I shall do so in the New Year as I will be convalescing from an operation and will have a lot of time to start my research in earnest.
I shall visit the sites you have mentioned and let you know how I get on.
Regards
Anthony
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Looking forward to hearing from you again :)
Barbara
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Barbara
I lived at Waterloo Place in Cranbrook with my mother and father, my fathers brother Harry (Henry) James Joy who was the one killed in WW1 had also lived there with my fathers father before my father was even born!! spooky eh!
Regards
Anthony
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Hi again Anthony.
I have ancestors from Cranbrook but rather earlier. They moved to Horsmonden in the late 1770s!
I am putting together a report on the descendants of Alexander Joy and Elizabeth Underdown which I will send to you and to Keith. You are more closely related to each other than to me although I am connected to you through our common ancestors William Joy and Sarah Splayfoot. I will do this later this week I hope. In the meantime can you let me have your email address via the Personal message system please as the report will be too lengthy to post here.
Barbara
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Hi Folks , fascinating read and I realise I'm coming late to the party but my grandfather was William Edwin JOY . My grandparent's family are from the Tonbridge/Sevenoaks area by birth, marriage and death certificates and my grandmother was Amy JOY.
Does this ring any bells.. there is also an Isle of Wight connection for my dad as his birth was registered at the RYDE office. (Edwin Alfred Bruce JOY)
Chris
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Hi Chris
Always good to hear of another JOY researcher.
What dates do you have for William Edwin Joy please? Did he marry in 1920? Do you know his parents' names?
I may have some more information on this family.
Barbara
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HI Barbara,
William Edwin Joy shows as my paternal grandfather on my father's birth certificate and his mother's death certificate)
Married to Amy (later Barnes but originally McKenzie) Born in 1880 , if her age of 70 at death in 1950 is accurate. They had my father Edwin Alfred Bruce JOY on 19th Jan , 1921 (although registered his birth much later in 1936 at Ryde IOW at that time Amy's address was Sevenoaks)
Amy's Death Certificate shows a return to Tonbridge Wells
Still digging!
Chris
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Have you found Amy on the 1939 register? Was she a widow when she died?
Would be worth getting her marriage certificate to William Edwin I think.
Will let you know if I find anything.
Barbara
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They had my father Edwin Alfred Bruce JOY on 19th Jan , 1921 (although registered his birth much later in 1936 at Ryde IOW at that time Amy's address was Sevenoaks)
Amy's Death Certificate shows a return to Tonbridge Wells
Still digging!
Chris
Birth was registered in 1923 with an amendment to the entry in 1936.
Birth Mar qtr 1923
Joy Edwin A B McKenzie I. of Wight 2b see M'36
Births Mar qtr 1936
JOY Edwin A B McKenzie I.Wight 2b 877
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Yes showing as widow of William Edwin Joy on on 14th July 1950 at time of her death