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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Norfolk => Topic started by: WHATATREE on Saturday 18 September 10 07:45 BST (UK)
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Hi,
I am trying to find the birth record of Ephraim Harvey born 1839 Wilby Suffolk, His father was James Harvey I have no other information about his father or mother but any information about them would be a great help!
1841 Census shows that the children were home alone and father was a baker.
Many thanks.
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Hi,
Found this on http://pilot.familysearch.org :
Ephraim Harvey, baptism 16 May 1847. Birthplace: Wilby.
Father: James Harvey Mother: Susan
From Suffolk County BTs, Suffolk, England
Nanny Jan
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Hi Nanny Jan
Many thanks for the link I have found that some of the family were all baptised on the same day. Which is a great find as I have been looking for ages and found nothing!
I knew Ephraim was a baptist as in his will he left money to the church and the Sturgeon Orphanage.
Regards
Andrea
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Ephriam is the brother of Joshua who is one of my ancestors. I'd love to her from you eother on this page or on my emaol. (*)
Regards
Jeanette
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Hi,
Great to hear from you! I will send you a email
Many thanks
Andrea
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Hi Jeanette,
Just tried to email you but it has come back as not delivered
you can email me at:
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Regards
Andrea
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It has been a long time since I've been on this site. Since I last had communication with you I've moved to the UK. I'm still chasing my Harvey line and have had some success I'd like to share. Hopefully you are still using this site
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Great to hear from you! Where are you living now?
Hope you are settled and all is well!
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Was very pleased to see that you are still on this site.
We're living in Wilsden Green, hoping to move sometime in the next six weeks over to Crystal Palace way. Where are you.
I have made contact with a Harvey family member who we are hoping to meet up with sometime.
As to James he is very elusive isn't he. I have a copy pf his death certificate and affirms he was alive at the time of the census. He died in November 1841. Death notified by one Charity Allun. Who was probably his sitter. Also found her on the same census with husband Robert and 8 year old son Robert.
Once we havemoved we will be looking at buying a vehicle and then I want to actually go to Wilby to look at parish registers. In a previous entry there was a mention of the children being baptised. Do you know which parish/church that it took place.
looking forward to hearing from you.
Regrades Jeanette
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Hello I am descended from a Harriett Harvey who was born around 1814 in the Hoxne area. Interestingly I am pretty certain I have Jewish ancestry through my Harvey/Rayner line in the Hoxne area. I spotted elsewhere on the net that Ephraim Harvey may also have had Jewish ancestry. Do any of you know anything about this?
Regards,
Nicky
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I realize this post dates back to 2010 however the 3 children baptized the same day would be after they were admitted to the workhouse. (Alfred, Harriet and Ephraim)
1851 Alfred and Ephraim are with older brother Charles and sister Sarah in Norfolk.
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to Eppingjewish nicky,
I'll look into the Jewish connection. It is ages since I accessed my own info about him.
You say you are a descendant of a Harriet Harvey,do you know who her parents or siblings were?
to amondg, I did not not know about the baptisms you mentioned. Where did you find the information? Are you descended from any of them?
Looking forward to reading your replies
Jeanette
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Suffolk BTS on ancestry
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Thanks for that, I'll look into it
;D
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Dear Jeanette,
Thank you for the reply. The Harriett/Hariot/Hariott Harvey I'm related to was living in the 1841 and later censuses with her husband Peter Rayner in Hoxne. I know they were married in 1831 in Hoxne and that she was born sometime around 1814 in either Hoxne or Debenham. I have so far not been able to trace her parents or siblings but because of vicinity and similar dates I believe her to be related to the Harvey's such as Ephraim. The other big connection was that I had been reading somewhere on the net that Ephraim Harvey and his son were supposed to be Jewish and my ancestral DNA suggests a fourth or fifth generation Jewish ancestor. I had eliminated my other lines and also my paternal great grandmother was stopped by many Jewish people in the 1930s because they believed her to be Jewish, I'm therefore certain this is my Jewish line as it doesn't fit with any of my other lines and this paternal great grandmother is the one descended from the Harvey line and my Rayner line.
Regards,
Nicky
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James HARVEY Married Susannah LUCAS, 23 September 1823, Barking, Suffolk
( Source Familysearch.Org)
Although I cant find Susan in 1841 Census she may have remarried;
Marriage Reg;
March 1848, Hoxne, 13 671
Thomas ALDOUS/Susan HARVEY
1851 Census
Wilby, Suffolk
HO107/1796/324/2
Thomas Aldous, 52, Head, Mar, Butcher, born Stradbrook
Susan Aldous, 46, Wife, Mar, born Needham Stkd, Suffolk,
John Aldous, 23,Son, Ag Lab
Louesar Aldous, 17, Daug
Harriot Aldous, 12, Daug
James Aldous, 11, Son
William Aldous, 2, Son
Margrett Sinnors, 3, Neice
1841 Census
Thomas Aldous, 40
Caroline Aldous, 20
John Aldous, 13
Sarah Aldous, 9
Louisa Aldous, 7
Liller Aldous, 4
James Aldous, 6 Mths
HO107/1026/10/Wilby
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Hi Nicky,
Have you investigated this submitted entry on F/S;
HARRIET Harvey, Christened 22 May 1814, Bruisyard, Suffolk
Parents ZIBAH/Ziba Harvey and Mary Ann CRISP
Sibling LUCY 21 October 1827
1841 in Briusyard we have;;
Ziba Harvey, 60
Mary Harvey, 55
Lucy Harvey, 15
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Dear Trish,
Wow. Thank you very much. I had searched around in various databases and sites and hadn't been able to find any Harriet's who seemed to match. This one looks promising especially considering the year of birth fits and by the 1841 census she is under her married name Harriet Rayner.
Regards,
Nicky
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Dear Trish,
The only thing though I'm wondering Trish is that in the 1851 or 1841 census Harriet's birthplace says Debenham. The village you suggested doesn't look very close to Debenham.
Regards,
Nicky
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Yes, I agree but;
If I have the right Lucy;
Lucy SMITH Married Samuel SMITH, 1845 Plomesgate, Suffolk
(Familysearch.Org)
From Census Lucy Smith is born;
1851 c 1824 Bruisyard, Suffolk
1871 c 1823 Saxmundham, Suffolk,
1881 c 1824 Saxmundham, Suffolk
1891 c 1825 Bridgenorth, Suffolk
1871 they are in Surrey, 1881/1891 London area
Cant find them 1861
Albert who appears to be their only Child is an Apprentice in 1861
Samuel is consistant in all Census as c 1819 Framlingham, Suffolk
1891 he is under Saint Smith
By 1901 he has remarried.
Possible Death Reg FreeBMD LUCY Smith 1898 Lambeth age 75 (birth c 1823)
He probably remarried Louisa Priscilla WESTLEY 1899 Reg Lambeth
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Hi Eppingjewish
Something else for you to consider:
On 2/6/1817 at Debenham 4 children were baptised to Zachariah Harvey and Martha Clutten:
Sidney b.27/3/1809
Arthur b.11/4/1812
Emily born 7/3/1814
Charlotte born 4/7/1816
In 1841 Zachariah and Martha are living in Halesworth with Charlotte 20 and a Lucy 15.
Zachariah bc.1781 died 1852 and was buried at Framlingham 11/11/1852
Martha bc.1783 bur.24/12/1857 Framlingham Cemetery
I cannot find Zachariah and Martha anywhere in 1851 although both should appear.
Son Sidney ended up in London but gives his birthplace as Halesworth (where his parents were in 1841).
You're probably now thinking 'what's this got to do with my Harriet'!!
Well, Emily Harvey b.7/3/1814 Debenham disappears off the face of the earth after her baptism - no death/burial, no marriage, no entries on census. So, was Emily later to become Harriet I wonder? Perhaps her parents decided they didn't like 'Emily' and started calling her Harriet instead or, the cleric at the time wrote the wrong name down after the baptism. Who can say!
Zachariah Harvey of Stradbroke married Martha Clutten 12/2/1809 Halesworth
Something for you to consider anyway.
Annette
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Dear Annette,
Thank you very much. Yes that would seem to fit as there appears to be no reference anywhere to a Harriet in terms of births or baptisms. I rechecked the censuses and even in the 1881 census her place of birth is still recorded as Debenham, so that does seem to be a more likely match as I'm pretty sure that she was likely born in Debenham since it's listed in the censuses.
Thank you for that.
Warm regards,
Nicky
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My husband is leading a walk around Framlingham churchyards and cemetery in the next couple of weeks, I am his assistant ;)
if I don't get the chance before then, I will see if I can check Martha's headstone as I think there is more information on it.
You can see it on John Pope's website at http://www.pope-genealogy.me.uk/framcemphoto.htm
Scroll down and it is on the left side.
SM ...
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Hi Eppingjewish,
In reading all the chats i don't think your Harriet is directly related to my Ephriam though there could be a link further back.
Ephraim's parents were James Harvey and Susannah Lucas. James Harvey Died in November 1841 at about 39, after the death of James she remarried to Thomas Aldous in 1848.Considering her age at this marriage would be almost 50 I don't think there were any children. Susannah died 7 July 1874.
Ephriam did have a sister 'Hariot' but she was born20 Dec 1838.
James and Susannah are so far missing from the 1841 census which was conducted in June of that year.
James Parents were William Harvey and (probably) Judith Musk, married 14 March 1802. Their children were James, Charity, Edward, Susan Letice, Nathan and William.
We think that William parents were Samuel Harvey and Margaret Pettit who married in Rishangles 6 April 1772.
As to the Jewish connection, it is still unproven, though the feeling is that there is Romany/Jewish ancestry in there somewhere. My DNA states European Jewish < 1%.
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Dear 329 Dolphin,
Thank you for that. Yes the connection could be a little further back as it's unlikely for people of the same surname in the same or neighbouring villages not to be related.
My Jewish ancestry is at lest 4 per cent and possibly higher.
Regards,
Nicky
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As my Harvey's are around Wilby, Stradbroke and Debenham then Rishangles is in a triangle just slightly to the west. So I'm pretty sure there will be a connection somewhere.