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I am trying to find out some more about this husband and wife who were in New South Wales by 1846.
Samuel (b.1818) was from St Budeaux, Devon and Emily (b.1826) was from London. They married 1845 in London (not sure where).
They had 3 known children in New South Wales -
John b.1846
Frederick b.1848
Fransisca b. 1852
Emily died in 1868 in Cooma, NSW but I have nothing more about the family or what happened to the children.
Her brother John Nicholas Sievers (b.1837) apparently also went to Australia, but he is an absolute blank other than his birth in London.
Any information about their life in Australia would be gratefully received.
Regards and thanks
Ruth
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The Maitland Mercury & Hunter River General Advertiser NSW 31st July 1884
SUDDEN DEATH.-On Tuesday evening Samuel Thicknesse died very suddenly and in circumstances of a very melancholy character at his residence, East Maitland road. He retired to bed about 9 o'clock, and afterwards became very restless and complained of heart-burn. He subsequently got out of bed to get something to ease his pain, and Mrs. Thicknesss, who was in-bed, immediately heard a fall, and on getting up she saw her husband lying on the floor. She endeavored to raise him, and being unable to do so, she went to the front door and called for assistance, Two young men, who were passing, responded to the call, and on lifting the unfortunate man up, found that life was extinct. Dr. Russell afterwards attended. The deceased was 66 years old, was born in England, and had been a school-teacher until about twelve months ago, when he was superannuated. For some time past he had been in reduced circumstances, owing to losses, and fretted a good deal, but did not appear to be in ill-health. Yesterday afternoon an inquest was held before Mr. A.Vindin, coroner, at Mr George Galley's, Cross Keys Inn, when the above facts were elicited. Dr. Russell, in conjunction with Drs Blackwell, made a post mortem examination of the body, and found that all the organs were perfectly healthy, except the heart and kidneys, which were diseased ; and the medical evidence was that the disease of those organs was the cause of death, The Jury found in accordance with such evidence.
http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/18933832?searchTerm=thicknesse
It appears that he must have remarried after Emily died in October 1868, (his age also fits born 1818)
The Sydney Morning Herald 5th Oct 1868
Deaths
On the 28th September, at her residence, Seymour, Maneroo, EMILY SARAH EUPHEMIA, the beloved wife of Samuel THICKNESSE, after a long and painful illness, aged 42.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/13173761?searchTerm=samuel%20thickness
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Banns were read between Samuel THeodore JAMES bachelor and Emily Uphemia SIEVERS spinster minor on the 21, 28 and 5th 1845 at St Dunstan and all Saints Stepney.
there is a date of 7 Oct 1845 preceeeding the banns dates (covering 5 couples with same banns dates) wonder if it is possibly the marriage date.
Looks like the marriage was in West Ham district in the Dec 1/4
THICKNESSE Samuel James Theodore = SIEVERS Emily Sarah Euphemia 12 599
There is this curious assisted immigration
Sep 1862 aboard the OCEAN EMPRESS
Samuel THICKNESS 44 single, native place Plymouth Devon occ Schoolmaster. was C of E and could read and write
not spotting him in 1861
MMM Now this seems to fit with Logan's find. Are their 2 Samuels?
The only baptism I am spotting is
Samuel James Theodore THICKNESSE baptised 7 Jul 1819 Plymouth St Budeaux parents John and Sarah (father Captain RN)
Cheers Kris :)
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The Maitland Mercury & Hunter River General Advertiser 30th April 1853
To the Editor of the Maitland Mercury.
National School, Stanhope,
April 28th, 1853.
SIR-A false and malicious report having been circulated with intent to injure my character, stating that I had received funds from the Board of National Education for the repairs of the School House, at Stanhope, and having written to the Board of National Edu- cation stating that fact, I beg that you will have the goodness to insert in your paper, an extract of the reply I received from W C. Wills, Esq , Secretary to the Board of National Education, dated the 19ih April, 1853.-I re- main, sir, your obedient servant,
SAML. THICKNESSE,
Teacher of the National School,
Stanhope.
EXTRACT.
" 2. In reply, I am desired to state, in order that you may have it officially in your power to contradict any such slanderous assertions-That you have never received any funds whatever from the Board of National Education for the repairs of the National School, at Stanhope."
1342.
http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/666575?searchTerm=thicknesse#pstart127785
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Well it is the same man Logan has found, remarried.
Samuel James Theodor THICKNESSE = Sarah Ann THURSTON Bega 1873 #1913
Can't find any Samuel THICKNESS on any census to date. All seems to fit with the passenger list re age and occupation. What on earth was he doing back in England applying for assisted passage in 1862. ???
Kris :)
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good find Krisejoint ;D
Looks like John THICKNESSE 'stomping ground' was Kiama, NSW
(John's son Lyle Thicknesse)
THICKNESSE - May 1. 1940. Lyle Hamilton, beloved son of Mr. and Mrs. J. Thicknesse. Terralong Street. Kiama, aged 24 vears. (Result of accident).
http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/27950842?searchTerm=lyle+thicknesse
(John's Wife and children named)
THICKNESSE. Elizabeth Ann -July 10 1948. at Kiama District Hospital beloved wife of John Thicknesse and dear mother of Jack, Dorrie, Jean, Clive, Sam and Lyle (deceased) aged 68 years
THICKNESSE-The Relatives and Friends of Mr John Thicknesse and Family are kindly Invited to attend the Funeral of his beloved Wife and their dear Mother ELIZABETH ANN THICK-NESSE to leave her late residence Terralong Street Kiama This Day (Monday) after a Service commencing at 3 pm. for the Kiama Cemetery K. Kendall Funeral Director Kiama
http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/18077514?searchTerm=john+thicknesse%2C+kiama#pstart1014211
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John SIEVERS (but cannot confirm this is your man, could be a 'red herring') ;)
Syndey Morning Herald 8 April 1864
WEST MAITLAND, Thursday, 7.45 pm.
At the Circuit Court to-day Michael M'Laughlin was sentenced to eighteen months' imprisonment. John Sievers, for firing with intent, on the highway, was found guilty, and sentenced to fifteen years.
http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/13088866?searchTerm=john+sievers
(Jack THICKNESSE, son of John THICKNESSE) 11April 1940 (not confirmed though, could be John W. Thicknesse son )
marriage reg no. 18128/1935 John W. THICKNESSE to Lesley J. THOMPSON, district PADDINGTON
http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/17663516?searchTerm=thicknesse (photo)
MRS. JACK THICKNESSE and her two small daughters, JANET and VALERIE. Mrs. Thicknesse was formerly Miss Lesley Thompson, of Melbourne, and Australia's champion diver, who represented this country at the Empire Games in London in 1934.
Think this should be your main 'port of call'
http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/familyHistory/searchHistoricalRecords.htm#Search
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Monaro Pioneers site has 11 references to people with surname THICKNESSE (and 1 for THICKNESS) includes this person.
http://www.monaropioneers.com/
THICKNESSE, Samuel James Theodore m 1873 in Bega to Sarah Ann THURSTON,
one child listed to this couple: Edward S THICKNESSE. b: 1886 in Bega, NSW d: 1947 in Sydney, NSW
Looks like some certs are needed to unravel the number of Samuel James Theodore THICKNESSs there are! This one could even be the one who was husband of Emily, (as Kris has already said) as he would have been 55 at the time of the marriage - although 68 at the time of the birth of Edward - still not impossible.
There is also this person:
THICKNESS, Augusta Emily Frances b: 3 Mar 1850 in Market St., Wollongong, NSW d: 20 Jan 1934 in Mosman, NSW
NSW BMDs would suggest that Augusta is another child of Samuel and Emily
Death 1934 Augusta E MOULD, parents Samuel M T and Emily reg at MOSMAN #3120
Marriage: 1870 George Y MOULD = Augusta E F THICKNESSE, reg at SHOALHAVEN #3402
Doesn't appear to be a burial record on the site for Emily
Judith
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Hi there,
There is a photo of "Sam THICKNESS (Emily's father) " and "Mrs Sam THICKNESS (Emily's mother)" and many other photos including Augusta Mould and lots of biographical info at this link
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~mould/mould/book/gymould.htm
Cheers, JM
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So Samuel's 2nd wife Sarah (nee Thurston) suffered a nasty accident :o 'ouch'
The Syndey Morning Hearld, Monday 18th May 1874 page 5.
SINGULAR ACCIDENT - The Bega Gazette re- ports that Mrs. S. Thicknesse, of Bembooks, met with a
serious accident in a peculiar manner, on Friday last. Mrs. Thicknesse went out for a walk with some children, and coming to a clump of dead wattles not far from Mr. Power's house, she tried to pull down a piece of stick which was lodged in one of the trees. The very slight effort used as sufficient to cause one of the trees to break off short at the roots; the tree fell on Mrs Thicknesse, and pinned her to the ground. The children gave the alarm, and Messrs. Power and J. Kiss ran and extracted Mrs. Thicknesse from her position, and carried her home, when it was found that a shoulder and leg were dislocated, and it is feared the latter is broken.
http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/13342258/1447301?zoomLevel=3#pstart1447301
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wow! ;D thank you everybody!
The assisted passage is interesting - obviously something was happening money-wise with him if the obit is anything to go by or that newspaper report that Logan found about him allegedly defrauding. I wonder if that followed him around and he couldn't get employment as a consequence?
It certainly fits date wise if he remarried to Sarah (and the poor girl with that accident :o).
I had wondered about the child Augusta as I had spotted her randomly but could never fit her in but looking at her death, she is almost certainly Samuel & Emily's. She certainly fits in that gap between Frederick & Fransisca which bearing mind the multitude of kids people had then, was a little odd unless there had been a death then. Augusta is Samuel's mother's middle name. Emily's family were very fond of triple barrelled christian names as well.
re the baptism Kris found: - I could only ever find the one Samuel J T Thickness being born around 1818-1819 in that area too so I think its definitely him in all the information found. The fact that his father was an RN is good albeit circumstantial evidence that it was him as Emily's family (including in laws to her siblings) were all in the Navy and Captain Whoever...
the John Sievers could well be mine....I'll do a bit more digging, but anything's possible! He just disappears off the planet and going to jail could have been an option for his fate!
thank you for the photos as well JM & the information Judith. I think all in all, until someone says otherwise, its the same family.
I can fill in all the gaps now that you have all found that they hadn't dropped off the earth!!
Thanks again :)
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good find Krisejoint ;D
Looks like John THICKNESSE 'stomping ground' was Kiama, NSW
(John's son Lyle Thicknesse)
THICKNESSE - May 1. 1940. Lyle Hamilton, beloved son of Mr. and Mrs. J. Thicknesse. Terralong Street. Kiama, aged 24 vears. (Result of accident).
http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/27950842?searchTerm=lyle+thicknesse
(John's Wife and children named)
THICKNESSE. Elizabeth Ann -July 10 1948. at Kiama District Hospital beloved wife of John Thicknesse and dear mother of Jack, Dorrie, Jean, Clive, Sam and Lyle (deceased) aged 68 years
THICKNESSE-The Relatives and Friends of Mr John Thicknesse and Family are kindly Invited to attend the Funeral of his beloved Wife and their dear Mother ELIZABETH ANN THICK-NESSE to leave her late residence Terralong Street Kiama This Day (Monday) after a Service commencing at 3 pm. for the Kiama Cemetery K. Kendall Funeral Director Kiama
http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/18077514?searchTerm=john+thicknesse%2C+kiama#pstart1014211
This is John S W Thickness' son by the look of it - have found the children with mother Elizabeth Ann being born in Berry, NSW and his parents John S W & Nancy in Shoalhaven.
There is another John W married to a Susan A in Bega but it doesn't look like he's mine as John & Susan are having children at the same time as John S W Jnr & Elizabeth.
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Hi there,
From your OP, Her brother John Nicholas Sievers (b.1837) apparently also went to Australia, but he is an absolute blank other than his birth in London and Logan's possible find http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/13088866
Here's several more cuttings, one giving his origins as Germany and indicating he was not fully conversant with English, plus one has the trial in detail..
http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/18706219
http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/18699463
http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/1870268
I mention this because it seems to me that his given names would be Anglo so perhaps the chap in the newspapers was not Emily's brother ....
NSW State Records do have Gaol Records in their archives, including Gaol Photographs, and full descriptions etc. http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/state-archives/indexes-online/gaol-records/index-to-the-gaol-photographs. I don't know for certain, but I think (from memory) in the 1860's that chap would have been serving time in Darlinghurst...
Cheers, JM
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Fransisca b. 1852
This will be her christening & death:
THICKNESS Framcissa T C - Christening; 1852
Father: Samuel J T
Mother: Emily S
Reg State: New South Wales
Ref Number: V18523199 38A
Parish: Oakville; Whittingham; Wollombi, Church of England
THICKNESSE F T Caroline - Death; 1854
Age at Death: INFANT
Reg State: New South Wales
Ref Number: V18541848 41A
Parish: Black Creek, Bulwarra; Clifden; Hinton; Morpeth; Maitland; Hunter., Church of England
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Hi there,
From your OP, Her brother John Nicholas Sievers (b.1837) apparently also went to Australia, but he is an absolute blank other than his birth in London and Logan's possible find http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/13088866
Here's several more cuttings, one giving his origins as Germany and indicating he was not fully conversant with English, plus one has the trial in detail..
http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/18706219
http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/18699463
http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/1870268
I mention this because it seems to me that his given names would be Anglo so perhaps the chap in the newspapers was not Emily's brother ....
NSW State Records do have Gaol Records in their archives, including Gaol Photographs, and full descriptions etc. http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/state-archives/indexes-online/gaol-records/index-to-the-gaol-photographs. I don't know for certain, but I think (from memory) in the 1860's that chap would have been serving time in Darlinghurst...
Cheers, JM
Thanks JM. The Sievers family were Dutch/German and it was either Emily's grandparents or parents that came over. (I've no access to my tree at the moment as am on different laptop and I can't remember which way it was) but John Nicholas was definitely London born. I think its some of Emily's aunts and uncles that were born in Germany.
I'll check out Darlinghurst if only to discount him.
Thanks again :)
Ruth
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Fransisca b. 1852
This will be her christening & death:
THICKNESS Framcissa T C - Christening; 1852
Father: Samuel J T
Mother: Emily S
Reg State: New South Wales
Ref Number: V18523199 38A
Parish: Oakville; Whittingham; Wollombi, Church of England
THICKNESSE F T Caroline - Death; 1854
Age at Death: INFANT
Reg State: New South Wales
Ref Number: V18541848 41A
Parish: Black Creek, Bulwarra; Clifden; Hinton; Morpeth; Maitland; Hunter., Church of England
Brilliant - thanks! now need to find out what the T stands for ;)
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Hi Ruth,
Brilliant - thanks! now need to find out what the T stands for
The 4 children's baptisms are on http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#start
Francina Teresa Caroline Thickness ;)
Full names and birth dates
Interesting to note Samuel lists as a master mariner on the certs on the MOULD Book site.
I note Emily and Augusta arriving in Melbourne as unassisted immigrants 1858
THICKNESSE Emily 27 and Augusta 4
and also not in 1859 SL THICKNESS aged 40 and Augusta aged 9 travelled from Melbourne to Newcastle and in 1860 Mrs THICKNESS aged 40 John 11 and Gustave 10 are listed from Melbourne to Newcastle.
http://www.prov.vic.gov.au/indexes/index_search.asp?searchid=42
A Samuel THICKNESS aboard the barge MARY ANN in 1833
http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/australia/1825-1832.htm
Cheers Kris :)
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a sibling was baptised at the same time as Samuel
THICKNESSE Margaret Susan 7 Jul 1819 Plymouth St Budeaux (Sorry I just noticed I somehow did not include mothers middle name in the baptism entry. She was Sarah Augusta.) She was buried 16 Apr 1821 St Budeaux aged 1 year and 11 months (noted as born 24 May 1819)
There was also an earlier baptism just over the border in Callington Cornwall (quite common with Naval men based in Plymouth)
Frances Augusta Ann THICKNESSE baptised 23 Jun 1811 Callington.
John THICKNESSE = Sarah Augusta FRASER 14 May 1800 St Andrew Plymouth.
I note the parents are in Bath Walcot Somerset by 1841
HO107/970/0 Folio 31 page 8
Queens Square
Bath Walcot
THICKNESSE John 65 Y Navy H P
THICKNESSE Sarah 60 N
Frances Augusta Anne THICKNESSE John William RICHARDS a college clerk from Oxford by licence 22 Jun 1836 Walcot
John died in Sep 1846 Bath 11 17
Sarah died in Sep 1863 Bath 5c 384
1861 Sarah A THICKNESSE is a lodger in the home of John SHERWOOD lodgiung house keeper in 1861. She is aged 80 born "unknown" Annuitant Naval captains widow. RG9/1693 Folio 26 Page10. Not spotting her in 1851
Documents Online is down at the moment but I see John left a will
John THICKNESSE Commander in Her Majesty's Royal Navy Bath , Somerset Online Document PROB 11/2041
also a lease in Callington
http://crocat.cornwall.gov.uk/DServe/searchpage.htm
Cheers Kris :)
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thanks again everybody - so much information! I wonder who Gustave was though, possibly another child....
Francina as the daughter's name instead of Fransisca makes more sense as Emily had a sister called Francina.
;D
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Hi Ruth,
I thought Gustave would have been Augusta.
Cheers Kris :)
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Hi Kris
Yes that crossed my mind too....think it probably is just a transcription error and Augusta and Gustave are one and the same.
:)
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Psst - interesting stuff (twins) same as Krisjoint's post
John S W Thicknesse
would be John Samuel Waverley Thicknesse
born 18th July 1846
Christened/Baptised 23rd Aug 1846
at St. James Syndey.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/09u9/
Frederick Thicknesse
would be Frederick Peter Thicknesse
born 26th March 1848
Christened / baptised 16th April 1848
at St. Lawrence, Sydney
http://www.rootschat.com/links/09ua/
Francina Thicknesse
would be Francina Teresa Caroline Thickness
born 12th Aug 1852
(note Twin of Augusta Emily Frances Thickness)
http://www.rootschat.com/links/09ub/
Augusta Emily Frances Thickness ;D ;D
born 12th August 1852
(Twin of Francina Teresa Caroline Thickness)
Christened / baptised 12th Aug 1852
at Whitingham Parish, Singleton, NSW
(2 references)
http://www.rootschat.com/links/09ud/
http://www.rootschat.com/links/09uc/
(seems shortlink timing out (ty 4 Cando letting me know) here is the 'long' link for all of the above).
http://beta.familysearch.org/s/search/index/record-search#searchType=records&filtered=false&fed=true&collectionId=&advanced=false&givenName=samuel&surname=thicknesse&birthYear=&birthLocation=australia&deathYear=&deathLocation=
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1875 NSW PO Directory
Brown Mountain south from Sydney
Thickness, Samuel, teacher, Bembooka
Cambewarra 122 miles south from Sydney
Thicknesse Frederick
1895 NSW Country Directory
Farming Section
Nowra
Thicknesse Dnl, Budjong, farmer
Thicknesse Fred P, Budjong, farmer
Thickness J S W, Budjong, farmer
1902 Sydney Directory
Country Commercial
Candelo 258 miles S, steamer to Tarthra coach thence
Thicknesse J W, Auctioneer
Gerry
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1841
An April 1841 NSW Government Gazette notifies unclaimed letters held at the Sydney GPO for Thicknesse Samuel.
An August 1841 NSW Government Gazette notifies unclaimed letters held at the Sydney GPO for Thicknesse Mr, late of Melbourne.
1860
Supplement to the March 20th Victorian Government Gazette 1860 notifies unclaimed letters held at the Melbourne GPO for Thicknesse Mrs S J
Supplement to the Jan20th Victorian Government Gazette notifies unclaimed letters held at the GPO for Thicknesse Saml
Gerry
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Thanks Logan & Gerry
so many gaps filled in... ;D
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Emily Sarah Euphemia Sievers was the eldest child of my ancestor Peter Sievers. Peter's ancestry is known on his father's side back to Samuel Chappuzeau born 1625, and beyond. See, for example,
http://home.wanadoo.nl/audeman/vRingen/vRingen.htm and
http://www.chappuzeau.net
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John Nicholas Sievers embarked on the "Caribbean" in London in December 1861, bound for Australia, but is not listed as disembarking anywhere. He was clearly a native English speaker, though his father and uncle were certified translators, having had Dutch parents and also French ancestry. Nothing more is known of him, either before or after this event. (though he is listed in the 1851 census, I believe)
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Don't know if this will fit in?
Manchester Times Dec 29 1888
SIEVERS-THOMAS On 22 inst. at Sydney, NSW, Edward Johnstone eldest son of A J Sievers Esq., of that city to Louise Vernon youngest daughter of J W Thomas Esq., of Best House Prestwich Manchester.
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And more
Manchester Times Nov 9 1899 - On Oct 11 at Sydney, the wife of E J Sievers (Lucy Vernon Thomes) of a daughter
then
Freeman's Journal (A Dublin paper) Nov 17 1790
Sievers - November 7 at her parents residence, Best House, Prestwich, the wife of E J Sievers Esq., of Sydney of a son.
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Edward Sievers was a member of the same family. His father, Andrew J Sievers, was a son of John William Sievers, Peter's younger brother. Andrew and his wife emigrated independently of Emily. Edward became Land-Valuer General for NSW. His son Noel was a brillant scholar who was killed in action in WWI
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I don't understand a date of 1790 - should that be 1890? Otherwise this is not related.
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Of course it should be 1890 :-[
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Ruth - are you a relative of Augusta Thicknesse? Another member of the family in Australia has compiled a 45 page tree of Augusta's family, which may be of interest.
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Here is Emily's whole family.
Firstly, Hermann Ernst Sievers
1 Johann Conradt Sievers b c. 1740? Gross Mimmelage (nr Osnabrück)
+ (11/05/1764) Anna Elisabeth Adelheit Jödekens ~19-9-1734
2 Anna Catharina Adelheit Sievers ~ 21/7/1764 died 7 JUL 1839 in Rüsfort
Living descendants
2 Helena Margaretha Sievers ~8/5/66 d 22-11-1855 Badbergen
Living descendants
2 Johann Arend Conrad Sievers
2 Hermann Ernst Sievers ~9/5/1771 – 10/1829
Secondly, descendants of Hermann and Petronella
They moved to London around 1803, and then Hermann, Petronella and John William moved to Boulogne in 1825.
1 Hermann Ernst Sievers b. Badbergen nr Osnabrück 9/5/1771 d 1829 London
+ (February 20th, 1795 Amsterdam) Petronella Richier (10 March 1776 – June 5th 1849 Shoreditch)
2.1 Elizabeth Wilhelmina Sievers, Amsterdam 31 May 1795 d Rotterdam 19 Dec 1871
2.2 Ernest (aka Edward) George Frederick Sievers c1799 – 1850
+ (1830 Deptford) Arabella Wilson/Willson (sister of Eliza Willson) c.1808-1883
2.3 Peter Sievers b c1800 Hanover (British Subject) d 10th Nov 1861 aged 60
+ (1825, London) Emily Vernon Barlow Burney, born c. 1806 Liverpool died 3/11/1868
3 Emily Sarah Euphemia Sievers
Christening: 22 AUG 1826 Saint Dunstan, Stepney, London, England
Emigrated New South Wales 1846
+ (West Ham, 1845) Samuel James Theodore THICKNESS.
3 Peter Frederick McDermott Sievers 1828
Went to USA, living descendants in Kentucky
3 John Thomas Sievers 1830-1831
3 Ronella Aldina Sievers 1834-1839
3 John Nicholas Sievers 1837 emigrated to Australia 1862, ship Caribbean - never disembarked?
3 Francina Eliza Sievers 1838 (Milliner 1861) d 1869
+ ( bef 1861) Henry Thomas, Docks clerk / commercial clerk
3 Ronella Aldina Emma Sievers 1841
+ 1860 Henry George Garner b1839 St George in the East
3 Herman Ernst Beatson Sievers 1846-1895
+ 1869 Harriet Passfield b Waltham, Essex 12/12/1851
emigrated to Canada c. 1882
2.4 John William Sievers b. 1807 (or maybe 1804?) London d. 1877 Lancs
+ (1) c.1830 Georgiana Aylwin or Alboin nee Johnstone, separated c.1837
3 Ronella Georgiana Sievers 1831 Bolougne-sur-Mer d1853
3 Andrew Johnson (or Johnstone) Sievers Oct 4th, 1832
+ Sarah Budden chrs 18 Nov 1831 : Saint James, Poole, Dorset, England d. 1884 Emigrated to Australia 1850’s, several children
+(2) (q1 1838) Eliza Wilson/Willson b. 1821 Sevenoaks (Sister of Arabella Willson, Ernest’s wife) (bigamous marriage?)
2.5 Caroline Charlotte Sievers b 27 Dec 1813 Chrs 30/9/1814 St. Olave Hart Street London
+ 1864 Rotterdam Willem Pieter KOUWENHOVEN. No issue
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Clarification: the marriage of Eliza Willson was to John William Sievers, of course (Not Andrew)
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Hi Pavane
thanks for all the info.
I am loosely related to Emily Sievers (Thickness) via a marriage. My great great grandmother's brother Thomas Fletcher married Elizabeth Wilhelmina Jessie Sievers, Emily's cousin
I've got them pretty much okay backwards, but it was just finding Emily forwards that was causing issue! ;D
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Ah - you are a Fletcher! There are a few of your cousins in touch with us. The PDF file on Augusta is 15 pages, not 44, created by Pattrick Mould.
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Hi,
Thomas Fletcher and Elisabeth were my great great grandparents. I'd love to know more about Thomas and his family. My mother told me he was a mariner!
SPMH
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Hi SPMH
Yes, Thomas was a mariner. He and Elizabeth had 16 (possibly 17) children as far as I can find. Thomas was my great great uncle. I do have quite a bit of information about them which I'm happy to share. Which of the children do you "belong to?" ;D
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Hi,
Thomas Fletcher
Daughter Ronella Jane Fletcher (Little Granny)
Daughter Jessie Ronella Roberts (Granny)
Daughter Olga Adeline Steele
Me
I have a lot of information backwards from Little Granny (she was smaller than granny!) but nothing about Thomas Fletcher and his family. It would be wonderful if you could fill me in backwards from him.
My mothers family lived north of Liverpool, but my generation has scattered around the world. My husband and I live near Cheltenham .
SPMH
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Hi
I'll PM you the family as its going a bit off track for the thread, but Thomas and the Fletchers were Liverpool and then the generation back were from Rufford, Lancashire.
Thomas was one of 13 so probably no surprise he had so many kids! My information about Ronella's siblings is patchy in places but will PM you know :)
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krisesjoint, If Samuel James Theodore Thicknesse married Sarah Ann Thurston after the death of Emily, when Sarah was widowed by Samuel, she may have married by GG Grandfather, John Everett in 1889 in Newcastle New South Wales.
Although I have a marriage certificate of this event, I'd love to know if they are one and the same people. If so they went on to have three children themselves.
LeeCee
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Hi 🤗,
Samuel and Emily are my 3xg grandparents :)
I am currently in Bath on a family history adventure with my sister and have just come across your chat while doing some research.
My branch of the tree goes
Samuel Thicknesse 3xg
John Samuel Waverley 2xg
Margaret Isabella Wiegand g
Nancy Isabella Mead gmother
Hazel June Brown mother
Julianne Smallwood me
I probably can answer a few unanswered questions if you have any left ;D
Off to the abbey today and the guildhall to relocate the graves of John and Sarah my 4xgs 😊
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HI,
I do have some gaps in my tree. I don't know the forenames of these people. Any info would be welcome.
Thanks
Neil
Weigand married Margaret Issabella
Mead married Nancy Isabel
Barry Royston Mead married NN
Brown
Grady married Mary Jane
Williams married Ellen Grady
Holt married Nancy Grady
Lillington married Sylvia Weigand
Frederick Henry Weigand married NN
John William Weigand married NN
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And coincidentally, my father's aunt (Nellie Jennings) married a Smallwood around 1909
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Hi Neil,
Yes I can fill in some gaps for you and I am wondering if you are the Neil that compiled the Chappezeau family History 🤔
Not sure about the Grady's but could maybe find them when I get home as currently in Bath 🇬🇧
Exact dates also you will have to wait for but will definitely fill you in so keep an eye on this chat 🤗
Horace George Weigand married Margaret Isabella Thicknesse
Frederick Charles Mead
married Nancy Isabella Thicknesse Weigand
Herbert Matthew Brown
married Hazel June Mead
Barry Royston Mead
married Pamela Cranny
Hilton Weigand
married Hilda Spinks
2ndly
married Hilda Lenore Richards
James Lillington
married Sylvia Weigand
Frederick Weigand
married Daisy
William Weigand
married Enid
2ndly
married Wendy
My parents Hazel and Herbert Brown
Ross Marshall
married Jennifer Cheryl Brown
Paul Smallwood
married Julianne Brown
Gerard Devine
married Joanne Leasa Brown
Guillermo Gomez
married Rebecca Margaret Louise Brown
I hope that fills in a few blanks for you can do more but will need to check when I am home
Cheers Julianne 🤗
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Thats great thanks! I am attempting to track all descendants of Samuel Chappuzeau (1625-1701), and your family are amongst them
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Emily Sarah Sievers was the sister of my g-g-grandmother Ronella Aldina Emma Garner, nee Sievers.
Several other members of the family ended up in Australia, including Edward Johnstone Sievers, who was Land Valuer General of New South Wales, and was responsible for purchasing the land on which Sydney Harbour stands. Edward was a grandson of John William, one of Sarah's brothers.
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Emily Sarah Sievers was the sister of my g-g-grandmother Ronella Aldina Emma Garner, nee Sievers.
Several other members of the family ended up in Australia, including Edward Johnstone Sievers, who was Land Valuer General of New South Wales, and was responsible for purchasing the land on which Sydney Harbour stands. Edward was a grandson of John William, one of Sarah's brothers.
Pavane mentions E J SIEVERS ... here is his Obituary from the Sydney Morning Herald 16 July 1932 https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/16903557
The V-General found the funds for the purchase of foreshore frontages from Pyrmont to Dawes Point, including The Rocks ;) ;)
JM
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Sadly, his son Nowell Johnstone Sievers, a brilliant scholar, was killed in WWI, shortly after he had started work for the Times
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I am also in touch with Peter Bates in Australia, grandson of Edward Sievers' brother Ernest
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It seems an amazing coincidence that E.J.Sievers's direct ancestor Samuel Chappuzeau wrote, in 1669, a play called "Les eaux de Pirmont", or "The waters of Pirmont" (a place in Germany).