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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Warwickshire => Topic started by: pinklescat on Tuesday 21 September 10 14:07 BST (UK)
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Hello,
My GG grandfather was Percy Fitzpatrick Bromfield and was christened in Coventry in St Michaels in 1822. According to the IGI his mother was Frances Bromfield and there was no father recorded. Percy emigrated to Australia in 1849 and worked as a surveyor. When he died in 1908, his death certificate stated that his father was also named Percy Fitzpatrick Bromfield whose occupation was Doctor, and his mother was Frances formerly Peach.
I'd just like to know who his parents were. I imagine to be a surveyor would entail some schooling and I can't seem to find any reference on the 1841 census and his birth is before registration
Any help anyone can give would be greatly appreciated.
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My GG grandfather was also called Percy Fitzpatrick Bromfield. He was born in 1821. He graduated from Trinity College, Dublin as a surveyor. He arrived in Port Jackson (Sydney, Australia) on the 13th of August, 1849 (via Adelaide and Port Phillip) as a passenger on the Madawaska, having left London and Plymouth on March 28th, 1849.
He moved to the Mansfield region in Victoria. He had a sister Henrietta Louise Bromfield born 1823. As I write I don't have direct access to the details of his mother but I believe your reference to Frances is correct. I have a bible given to her by her mother whose name I recall to have been Eliza. I have a letter from Percy Fitzpatrick (not to hand as I write) in which he signs off "I remain always your loving father, Percy Fitzpatrick". The letter describes his employment as a physician to a member of the Italian nobility.
I realise you posted this information over 2 years ago, however if you are still interested please let me know and I will endeavour to locate the letter and give you more specific details of my great grandfather's parents.
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Hello,
This is great news! Which of percy's children are you descended from if I may ask? I am the great grandaughter of Charles Morrison. I have contacted the Coventry Archives and they have confirmed that Percy is the illegitimate son of Frances Bromfield, a dressmaker. However there are also Thomas Lingard Bromfield and Devine Bromfield who are also the illegitimate sons of a Frances Bromfield, dressmaker. I note that his sister was born in Dublin but emigrated to Australia in (roughly 1880/90 - I don't have the details to hand). I am more than happy to share any information with you and hope to hear from you soon!
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Just been looking in some old directories: Percy Fitzpatrick was a surgeon in Much Park St, Coventry between 1821 and 1830
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There was a Percy Fitzpatrick, assistant surgeon, at the Battle of Waterloo with 51st Foot
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A bit more detail on the army surgeon's career:
Percy Fitzpatrick
Hospital Mate, General Service, 23 August 1810
Assistant Surgeon, 51st Foot, 11 March 1813
Retired on half pay 25 December 1818
Half Pay commuted 23 March 1830
Peninsular War (1811-1814) and Waterloo medals
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Thank you for your quick reply and for the very helpful information from ShaunJ which indicates that Percy Fitzpatrick was not a Bromfield but the father of (at least) one of the illegitimate children of Frances Bromfield.
Percy Fitzpatrick Bromfield married Lucy Emily Cope.I understand that this was in Victoria. They had 8 children.2 died at an early age (a son and daughter).I do not have my records to hand as I write(I will try to look for them asap) so I can not give the full details of them but I have the details and will let you have them in time. Two of the children were:-
Percy William Bromfield
Walter Morrison Bromfield - he is my great grand father.He married Jessie McBride Cook.
They had a son and daughter.The son ,Walter Henry Cope Bromfield (my grandfather) born Victoria 1884 died Perth Western Australia (26?) February 1963 married May Hamilton Gray on 29th September 1917 (she was born 1883 died 30 June 1970 -West Perth). They had one child, my father Donald Hamilton Bromfield born 23 March 1922 Mt Lawley WA Died 24 April 2004.
My father married Sylvia Nolan (born 9 Sept 1919 London married Adelaide Sth. Aust. 12 Dec 1946 died Perth 6Dec 2007). I am one of four children (3 male 1 female one male died at 2 days old).
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My mother made some mention in notes that PFB and his sister lived and were educated in Dublin by the Devines. This note does not give me any more details.My memory tells my that there was some money for the two of them in Dublin but I do not have details.Your mention of Devine Bromfield is new to me but it matches the note made by my mother. I have never heard of any mention of Devine Bromfield or Thomas Lingard Bromfield before.
You mention that you are the great grand daughter of Charles Morrison.The name Morrison has a very close conection with my family. Walter Morrison Bromfield moved from Victoria in or about 1897 as my grandfather WHCB was educated on the goldfields at Coolgardie in that year and after.In1903 or 1904 WMB built a house at Kelmscott where he had an orchard and it was called Morrison Grange.The property is no longer in the family but I have used some of the stained glass windows salvaged from the house in my house.
You mention"his sister was born in Dublin".Whose sister are you making reference too? More to come.
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Hi All,
Christenings, Saint Michael, Coventry, Warwickshire;
THOMAS LINGARD Bromfield, 15 Aug 1818
PERCY FITZPATRICK Bromfield, 16 Sept 1822
DEVINE FITZPATRICK Bromfield, 07 May 1824 (Male)
Mother FRANCES Bromfield
Now did Thomas tell a "porky" at his Marriage with Percy Fitzpatrick?
Marriage;
16 July 1839, Holy Trinity, Coventry
Thomas Lingard BROMFIELD, Bachelor, Occp Watch Glider, abode Bishop St, Father JOHN Bromfield, Occp Weaver
Emma HEAP, Spinster, abode Bishop St, Father WILLIAM Heap, Occp Dyer
Witnesses, JAMES/MARY Bromfield
Notes, she signed x
Marriage FreeBMD;
Ambrose PEACH, Sept 1847, Warwick, 16 627
Frances BROMFIELD on same page
1851 under France TEACK, Mar, Dress Maker, born c 1799 Coventry
1861 under FANNY Peach, 59 (1802) Boarder, Mar, Dress Maker, born Coventry
1871 FRANCES Peach, Mar, Dress Maker, born c 1798 Coventry
Although down as Married Ambrose is not with her on any Census.
Trish :)
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FRANCES Bromfield **, Christened 04 December 1797, St Michael, Coventry, Warwickshire
Parents JOHN/JANE
Siblings;
SUSANNA 07 Jan 1784
JOHN 30 Nov 1786, death 11 Dec 1786
JOSH 15 Feb 1791
ALEXANDER 26 July 1793
MARY 22 Sept 1795
GEORGE 12 May 1800
THOMAS 27 June 1805
JAMES 30 Jan 1811
Looks to me that JOHN LINGARD Bromfield put his Granfathers name/occp on his M/C to Emma 1839.
His Uncle JAMES was a Witness to the Marriage (Mary might be his Wife, needs checking)
Probable Census for Frances Parents;
1841 Census
Warwick Lane,
Coventry, Warwickshire
HO107/1152/7/St Michael
John BROMFIELD, 80, Weaver, born IN County
Jennette Bromfield, 75, born in Scotland
JANE/JENNETTE/JEANETTE/JEAN are interchangable given that she was Scottish.
Possible Marriage, date fits;
John BROMFIELD
Jane TAYLOR
Marriage: 07 Aug 1783, Foleshill, Warwickshire, England
Residence: 07 Aug 1783, Of This Parish
England, Warwickshire Parish Registers, 1538-1900
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Marriage F/S.Org;
19 July 1847, Leamingtom Priors, Warwickshire
FRANCES Bromfield, Father JOHN
Ambrose PEACH, Father JOSEPH
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There's a late baptism for Henrietta Louisa Fitzpatrick Bromfield at St Thomas, Coventry on August 13th 1856:
Born 31 December 1824.
Daughter of Percy Fitzpatrick and Frances Bromfield. Father's occupation Physician.
After Coventry, Percy Fitzpatrick's trail seems to lead to Mauritius and a marriage in 1836. See http://genforum.genealogy.com/fitzpatrick/messages/1819.html. There were at least two daughters from that marriage, but that's for another post
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OFF to bed, here is the 1851 Census;
1841 Census
Much Park,
Coventry, Warwickshire
HO107/2067/251/20
James BROMFIELD, 40, Head, Mar, Painter (employing 3 men), born Coventry
Ann Bromfield, 42, Wife, Mar
Frances Bromfield, 19, Daug, Unm, Milliner and Dressmaker
Sarah Bromfield, 15, Daug, House Servant
Fennett E Bromfield, 9, Daug, Scholar
James Bromfield, 12, Son, Scholar
Isabel Bromfield , 7, Daug, Scholar
Charles Bromfield, 2, Son
Susannah Bromfield , 2mths, Daug
Fennell Bromfield 86, Mother, Widow, Formerly House Keeper, born Scotland***
Fennell age 9/86 are down on image as Jennett
Death Regs;
JOHN Bromfield, March 1851, Coventry, 16 346
JENNETT Bromfield, June 1853, Coventry, 6d 212
JAMES Bromfield, Sept 1863, Coventry, 6d 259
Marriage;
JAMES Bromfield/Ann WOOD, 10 May 1831, St John, Coventry
Trish :)
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The Pall Mall Gazette January 22nd 1868:
Deaths
On 9th December 1867, at Port Louis, Mauritius, Percy Fitzpatrick, M.D.
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Wow!! All my life I have had only part of the story and with the help of ShaunJ and Trish1120 most of the gaps have been filled in. Thank you.
I have Percy Fitzpatrick Bromfield’s site notes for the construction of a railway on Mauritius. This was for an investment that he and his father made in a sugar plantation. The venture was not a financial success. The railway was sold and removed to Madagascar. I understand that PFB was in Mauritius for two and a half years. He must have returned to England as I have the list of passengers from the sailing ship Madawaska. That ship was built in Quebec 1847 for Fieldon & Co. Liverpool.3 mast rig 127'x26'x18'(561 tons).The list records 142 passengers. PFB is on the list bound for Sydney.
My mother’s notes show that the six children of Percy Fitzpatrick Bromfield that survived to adulthood were:-
Percy William
Henry
Walter Morrison
Charles?
Emily
Frances
Percy William had 5 daughters, 1 son (Herbert)
Henry(Solicitor) had 2 sons - Stuart & Lawrence
Walter Morrison had 1 son(my grandfather WHCB & 1 daughter (known as Daisy) but Margaret?
Charles-?
Emily and Frances never married.
I am still looking for more accurate records. Good night and thank you all.
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Hello,
Percy Fitzpatrick Bromfield that was born in Coventry as illegitimate son to Frances Bromfield, dressmaker in around 1822, died in Toorak, Victoria, Australia, 1908. Is this post about the physician/train line entrepreneur about his father?
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Yes.From the information that I have contained in the letter from Percy Fitzpatrick to Percy Fitzpatrick Bromfield (Dated 1849) Percy Fitzpatrick has invested in the sugar plantation in Mauritius. I do not know if PFB had any interest in the venture but I know that he did survey the route for the railway.
I am not in a position to find my records at the moment but will let you have any more information that those records contain as soon as I find them.
I have no doubt that Percy Fitzpatrick was the father of PFB who died in 1908.
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Hello everyone, thanks for all this fantastic information! :) Thomas Lingard Bromfield is my GG grandfather and I have been researching his mother Fanny (Frances) and his (presumed) half-brothers Percy and Devine, so all this data is great. I had no idea Thomas had a half-sister, Henrietta. I haven't searched Irish records for the family yet, so it's helpful to know the family was in Dublin at one point in time.
Thomas Lingard Bromfield was Fanny's (Frances's) eldest illegitimate child and he did not live with Fanny and her other children, he was brought up by his grandparents John and Jennet Bromfield. This is why Thomas says that John Bromfield is his father on his marriage certificate to Emma Heap- John is in fact his grandfather, who brought him up. Thomas was apprenticed to a relative - another Thomas Bromfield, possibly an uncle - and became a watch maker and lived all his life in Coventry. I have always assumed that his father's name was Lingard, and that he is not Percival Fitzpatrick's son, so Percy and Devine are his half-brothers. I will keep searching!
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Hi All, I hope you dont mind, I am also Researching these Bromfields.
My Great Grandfather is Percy William Bromfield, son of Percy Fitzpatrick Bromfield.
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Hello, Percy Fitzpatrick Bromfield is my 2nd great grandfather on my mother's side. Thanks for the information in this thread. It has been very helpful.
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I have had a great interest in Percy Fitzpatrick too and I concur with the findings so far. He lived in Much Park Street in the 1820s and obviously had a strong relationship with Fanny Bromfield to have three children by her. I followed up his military service which was in the 51st regiment of foot where it appears that he served from 1810-1814 after which he retired on a 1/2 pay (not certain what this means). The records show that he was about age 15 when he started as a general medical hand. It is a good way to learn about human anatomy I suspect.
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I managed to locate Percy Fitzpatrick's war medals as well. They are located in the regimental museum which is a part of the Doncaster Museum and Art Gallery in the UK. I'd love a picture of them if anyone lives nearby or goes there. Happy to share any more info or connect with anyone who is similarly interested.
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I have an interest in his service records too revlex, and would love to share information with all, If you wish to participate I would love to hear from you via private message, to see where we all fit, and where we are from.
Dinnys
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Jennette Eliza Bromfield was my great grandmother,so I was delighted to see more info on the family, especially the mysterious Percy and siblings.Thanks.
Jennette went on to marry Henry Horatio Bailey.
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I know it has been a while since anyone posted on this thread but it has been fascinating reading to me, I think Thomas Lingard Bromfield may be the father of my GG grandmother Frances Fairbrother (Bromfield). I read from some of the posts about a Dublin connection and have been told that we have a Coventry connection! Any help to make this connection is much appreciated.
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Thomas Lingard Bromfield was a 1st cousin 3x removed and Jennette Eliza was my great grandmother. She lived in Far Gosford Street Coventry with her son and his wife Charles James Bromfield Bailey until her death in 1917.
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Hi,
Thanks so much for the prompt reply, its great to get any information. I think Thomas Lingard Bromfield was my GGG grandfather through his daughter, Frances who married Samuel Osborne Fairbrother in Dublin in 1876. I know nothing about the Coventry side of the family so its great to hear anything!! I'm especially interested in Frances Bromfield, Thomas's mother, and who his father is?
Thanks again
BonnieD
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Hi Bonnie,
I'll put what I have toghther and get back to you asap.
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Hi All, new to this from the other side of the world in Tasmania... when I should be sound asleep. My patriarchal great grandfather is one James Walter Bromfield a remittance man sent to Hobart Tasmania in the late 1800s, not sure exactly when, to then marry Eliza Cook and father 9 children, including my grandfather Cecil.
I have always wondered where he came from in the UK. Looks like he is the son of Thomas Lingard Bromfield and Emma Heap and born circa 1850 which would fit. James died around 1911. Given James was a prolific sire there is a fair group of us down under. Thanks to everyone for the posted information. If anyone would like any more on my branch please reply.