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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Yorkshire (North Riding) => Topic started by: Ezyka on Thursday 23 September 10 16:50 BST (UK)
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My Grandmother was born at Melbourne Yard, Northallerton. Does anyone know where this is? I've googled it but not been able to find out where it is. I'm also looking to find out where the boarding/lodging house on Main Street, Northallerton was. Can anyone help?
Thanks
Erica
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we live locally but cant figure out where it would be, do youhave anything else to go by to narrow it down a little esp the time scale
there is a site called www.old-maps.co.uk and you can try looking on that, shout if you need further help
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I think they were living in Melbourne Yard from around 1905. My Grandmother was born 1914. I think it might have been some kind of farm. The boarding/lodging house was from about 1850 to early 1900s I think. Do you know if there is a local family history society that might be ale to help?
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if you could give her name etc etc i will have alook at the cencus to see if any addresses ring any bells ok
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Cleveland Family History Group have a sub group for the Upper Dales and they are based around Northallerton
http://www.upperdalesfhg.org.uk/introduction.htm
Andrea
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Lodging house on: Mary Thompson b.abt 1886 Northallerton (1851 census). James Castles b.1885 Northallerton (1891 Census). James Castle b.1885 Northallerton (1901 Census). Melbourne Yard on: James Castle b.1885 Northallerton (WW1 Service Records). James Castle on the 1911 census. Also on my Grandmothers birth certificate which I don't have a copy of at present.
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Will have a look at that link. Thanks Andrea.
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ok from what i can gather if you looked on google earth now you will see quaker lane on the right hand side of the high street as you head north towards darlington, from the roundabout at the top of the high street to the railway line is north end, its around the area of the church ok.
the bit that you want is up from quaker lane towards the railway line, on the quaker side i think, its where there is a big b&q now
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i should add that northallerton also has a rather good library, i would have thought if you gave them a phone call they could help you out
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Ahh thankyou. Just looking at it now. Is the bbq area where the lodging house was or where Melbourne Yard was? I'll definately give the library a try, and also the record office. I'm probably going to visit Northallerton as my Great Grandad, James Castle, is on the War memorial at the church and I'd like some photos.
Thanks for your help ;D
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im not so sure exactly which property it was in but its definatley at that end along from b and q towards the high street, erm how far are you intending to travell to get to northallerton? as i said i go shopping there and could go with my camera if you wanted it might save you a trip?
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Quite a long way. I'm in South Northamptonshire at the moment. There are some photos online but they are copyrighted. It is the 1914-1918 war memorial at Northallerton Church. Pte J.Castle (other ranks). Maybe the library will be able to help pin point exactly where he lived :D
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oh dear!!!!!!!!! thats right outside a very good clothes shop, i have been in there and spent money in the past!!!! oh well i will go and have another look armed with my camera and an empty purse!!
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Thank you ! ;D ;D ;D
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If you look at the enumerator's route for your census areas then that should give you a good idea of the exact location of houses as you can fit them in by looking at better known places. As you have paid to look at the 1911 image you can see the route free by clicking a tab at the top of the page somewhere.
Andrea
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I've never heard of Melbourne Yard, but looking at what has been said here, it might be in the vicinity of what is the Standard Pub area, I think there may have be a Welbourne Yard, will dig out my books and have a look.
Denise
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Found it, Melbourne Yard was demolished circa 1921 to make way for the towns cinema, which is now the New Life Baptist Church.
Denise
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Oh no!! I was really hoping it was still there. Thanks for finding it. I'm hoping there will be some old pictures somewhere.
Erica
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Dear Ezyka, I am curious when you mention James Castle.
My family's name is Castle, and they lived in Fowler's Yard then moved to Beaconsfield Terrace Northallerton.
Are these your relatives?
There seems to have been another Castle family as well, they were Samuel head, Mary wife, William son, Thomas son, Fanny daughter, george son, James grandson, James grandson.
They were living at 14, Main Street Northallerton in the 1891 census.
Now I don't know if they are related to my family, we have a Samuel, William, Thomas.
yours faithfully
Stuart Castle
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Hello Ezyka, I read your message about James Castle.
You see I'm tracing my family history and we come from Northallerton.
I found on the 1881 census a Castle family living at 14, Main Street Northallerton. They are Samuel head, Mary wife, William so, Thomas son, Fanny daughter, George son, James grandson, John grandson. It's actually written down as Castles.
Is this your family ?
My family also has a Samuel, Thomas, William Castle.
Samuel is my Great Great grandfather, Thomas is my great grandfather, William was the elder brother of Thomas.
Yours faithfully
Mr Stuart Castle
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Hello. The 1881 census you mention is indeed my Castle family. James Castle was my Great Grandad. He was the son of Sarah Castle, Samuel Castles daughter from his first marriage.
Erica
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Hi Yorkie2 and welcome to rootschat
I have merged your second post with this thread as it was a bit isolated on its own and Ezyka may not have seen it. To answer on this topic you just click reply at the bottom.
Andrea
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Hello Andrea, Ezyka has seen it and she is it touch.
We've found out we're related through an ancestor.
His name was Samuel Castle
Yorkie2
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so that makes us cousins or something.
I'm descended from Thomas and Elizabeth Castle, their son John William was my grandfather.
I expect there are a lot of descendants about from their other children.
Small world isn't it.
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Yes, I think we are cousins!! I've sent you an email :-)
Erica
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yes thanks I got it.
Thanks again for all that family history, I'll have to show my dad, he'll be took up.
Yorkie2
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I trust you found this information from Steve Metcalfe's site about the Northallerton Memorial:
UNIT: 50th Machine Gun Corps
NUMBER: 73620
STATUS: Killed in Action
DATE OF DEATH: 27th May 1918
CEMETERY OR MEMORIAL: Commemorated on the Soissons Memorial, France
AGE: 32
James Castle was married to Mary Alice Payne and they lived at No. 2 Melbourne Yard, Northallerton. He worked as a carter before the War.
James originally served with the 1st Volunteer Battalion of the Yorkshire Regiment, until the Volunteers were replaced by the Territorial Army under the Haldane Reforms of 1908. The Territorial Army came into being on 1st April 1908 and the following day James Castle was formally sworn in as a member (no. 66) of the 1/4th Battalion of the Yorkshire Regiment, at the age of 22.
It would appear that James left the Army in April 1916, after 8 years and 6 days serving with the 4th Yorkshires, including 349 days in "France" (which was the usual euphemism for the Western Front). It is not clear why he was discharged, but his escape did not last long. Like all soldiers who leave the Army, he was placed on the "Reserve" which meant that he was liable to be recalled in time of particular need. That time came in August 1916, when he was recalled from the Reserve and posted, once again, to the 4th Yorkshires (No. 6241). One can only speculate, but perhaps it was the huge casualties being suffered in the Battle of the Somme, which was reaching its height in August 1916, which prompted James' recall.
It is not know how long he served with the 4th Yorkshires as he was subsequently transferred to the Machine Gun Corps. He went missing on 27th May 1918, shortly before his 33rd birthday, whilst serving on attachment to the 4th Yorkshires, who were heavily attacked by the Germans near St. Quentin and their positions were overrun. James' body was never identified and he is commemorated, like so many others who fell during this fighting, on the Memorial to The Missing at Soissons.
http://www.northallertonmemorials.org.uk/
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Hi Johnboy, thanks for the info on James Castle.
I've been on the Commonwealth War Graves site, on there is a picture of the Soissons Memorial and a little info of the battle in 1918.
Kind regards
Yorkie2
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Hi
Do you have a photograph of your relative whose name is on the Soissons memorial.
I am writing a book about the Aisne Battle in which he was killed and would like to include photographs of those who died.
Regards
David Blanchard
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Hi David, I only have this one image of my relative.
I hope you receive it, he was private James Castle.
73620, D company, 50th Bn, Machine Gun Corps (infantry).
He had been in the army before the war, and he was invalided out.
Either he re-enlisted, or was drafted back into the army.
Yours faithfully
Mr Stuart Castle
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Hi Stuart
Thanks for the scan of your relative.
David
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Hi David, not a problem.
I hope to see James in print, in your book.
Any idea of when the book will come out ?
Regards
Stuart
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I have finished writing it. Just sorting the photographs.
Hopefully sometime this year.
David
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I'll look out for it in the bookshops.
Stuart