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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Ayrshire => Topic started by: lesleyegreen on Tuesday 28 September 10 12:31 BST (UK)
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Hi
Looking for descendants of Thomas Muncie b 1797 and Jeannie McBeth b 1800 Troqueer, Kirkcudbrightshire, all Ayrshire. Settled in Muirkirk/Lugar/Auchinleck area.
Thanks
Lesley
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Lesley, just logged on to this site , I am a direct descendant of thomas & jean mcbeth. Don,t know when
you posted this or if you still need info. that I can help you with
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Hi,
I posted this on behalf of my second cousin away back in 2010. She too is a direct descendant of Thomas Muncie and Jeannie McBeth, their gg granddaughter, through their daughter Christina Muncie who married James McCrone in Auchinleck in 1851. Happy to share her line with you. To use the personal messaging system you have to post 3 times before we can exchange info privately.
Looking forward to speaking to you.
Lesley
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Lesley,
Have you managed, since then, to piece together information relating to McCrone / Muncie.
I have been doing this tree for 20 years and have the generation before Thomas. I am working
on the Boyes family who are my g grandmothers namesakes.I have no problems with sharing any
information that i have or indeed help with any further research you require.
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Hi,
I have looked back into the information I gathered about the Muncie and McBeth families. I have Thomas Muncie's father as being John Muncie and his mother was Margaret McCartney. Jeannie McBeth's father was Daniel McBeth and Janet Brown was her mother. I got this information from Death Certificates and IGI extracted records. If I have this wrong please let me know. Thanks
Lesley
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I have traced my family back to John Muncie, born 1760, but cannot get back further. Can anyone help?
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Hi Lesley,
I have photographs and inscriptions of Muncie/ McCrone headstones. I am also in direct contact
with living relatives of the same McCrone family. I can send you the photos for your records if you don,t already have them.
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Hi JRM,
I am stuck at that date as well, trying to locate the family when they lived in the Sanquhar/Kirkconnel
parish before moving to Muirkirk.
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I would love them, thanks. Will PM you with my email so you can send them to me. Really appreciate this. Thank you.
Lesley
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Joshbob,
Good idea!
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Joshbob
I have to send 3 postings before I can PM.
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Hi JRM, Did you receive my mail?
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This Muncie line married into my McMurdos but I don't know if they do go back into Dumfriesshire. John Muncie and Margaret McCartney married in 1788 in Muirkirk and their first two children William and Robert were born there, followed by James born in Kirkconnel, Thomas born ? and then John in Muirkirk.
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hi irenemac,
yes your right although william was babt. in douglas lanarkshire as the mccartneys were from that
area. thomas was born 27th june 1795. john was born 2nd dec. 1803.
are you researching james and george mcmurdo who married christian and margaret muncie the daughters of james and agnes craig
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Yes my interest is the McMurdos
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John Muncie and Maragert McKartney natural daughter of George McKartney in Maxehead gave in their names and married at Lagliehead 26 March 1788
George McKartney of Maxehead was married to Mary Forsyth (Forsaith) and had their son(my direct ancestor) Robert was born in 1762 George and Mary were married in Muirkirk
Muirkirk Old Parish Records Marriage
Gorge McKartney and Marie Farsaith was married at the Church May 5th 1755
I assume that George had Margaret out of wedlock before 1755 or he had a extra marital relationship.
Try as I much as I have, I cannot find a birth for John Muncie/Munsie. He probably came from the Dumfriesshire area though. You can find my tree on Rootsweb database name wilsongene which has the lineage from George McCartney.
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the mckartneys were from Haxelhead near Douglas Lanarkshire where John and Margarets first born William
was christened. there is a farmstead in that area called Hazelside which i have visited.I do not know if she was born out of wedlock as i have not researched it. John was born in Sanquhar as Census records declare but
I do not have proof as yet.
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I don't think that Hazelhead or Haxelhead is the McCartney home. The 3 references to George McCartney each say MAXEHEAD and there is no reference to Douglas Parish. Why would he not appear in the records for Douglas parish Lanarkshire rather than Muirkirk parish in Ayrshire??? I know it is tempting because of the birth of William but the original records show it each time as Maxehead ie in 1785 then 1788 and finally in 1800. As these are Muirkirk OPR's surely a place in Douglas does not equate?
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There was a Monkshead also in Douglas Parish but a few yards from Muirkirk Parish (within half a mile of Glenbuck in Muirkirk parish) which could fit the bill but although it is a lot closer to Muirkirk is still in Douglas parish. Monkshead could be corrupted to Maxehead but Hazelhead seems unlikely.
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I checked the birth for William Muncy or Munsie in 1788 and there is no birth register for him in Douglas parish? The birth record for William Muncy in Muikirk old parish records is as follows
"Muncy : John Muncy and Margaret McKartney a son born upon the 6th of May 1789 named William
ditto ditto a son born 5th June 1791 and named Robert Paterson (Muncy)
ditto a son born 26th October 1793 named James (Muncy)
ditto a son born 27th June 1795 named Thomas
The above John Muncy and Marg't McKartney then residing in Burnside a son born upon 2 December 1803 and baptised in their house upon the 3, named John."
Now where does the (Robert) Paterson come in?
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I apologise. I see that William was baptised as MUNCIE in Douglas parish. However if George McKartney lived in Hazelhead why was he not buried in Douglas and why are all the Maxehead references in Muirkirk?
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On the 1788 O.P.R for Muirkirk is certainly not MAXEHEAD as the writer has written numerous capital M`s . Was George a tenant farmer?The ministers of the day kept a record for the parish, as the birth and
christening of william highlights that he was born on the 6th and baptised 10 miles away in Douglas, there must be a connection,you need a good reason to travel 10miles with a newborn to be baptised. Thats if
they travelled or were they there in the first place?
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You are correct. I checked the original image for the marriage of Robert McKartney and Betty Matthison in 1785 and it is defintely HAXEHEAD. Please send me the details of of the birth of William in Douglas parish or if you can via Irene MacLeod send the image if you have it. I wonder why all the children of George McKartnie and Marie Forsaith other than Margaret were living in Muirkirk when their father was in Douglas? Job prospects better? James their son was definitely born in MUIRKIRK but now I can't find the details of the OPR birth register in my files. I am not sure what you mean that William's parents travelled 10 miles to get him baptised? Did it say they were from Muirkirk parish in the baptism of William who I take it is born in Hazelhead in Douglas??. Am I missing something in the original information? I would love it if that George was in Hazelhead Douglas but I still have nagging doubts. I will check the birth register original sometime but if you can send me a copy I would be much obliged. Cheers Robbie
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I just realised we are talking about Hazelhead but only HAZELSIDE can be found on the old maps? Is it easier to believe that a Hazelhead is the McCartney home in Douglas Parish but can't be found on the old maps in comparison with a Haxehead in Muirkirk which also can't be found on old maps? I look forward to the transcription of the birth register for William's birth. Wish we could get a reference to this place somewhere. Maybe the Register of Sasines will have Haxehead or Hazelhead registered?
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I may have solved the problem of Haxehead. There is a Hawkshead Wood in Muirkirk and housing named Hawkshead Terrace. Could this be the illusive Haxehead? Hawkshead and Haxehead don't sound much different?
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False alarm on Hawkhead! I found it in a Muikirk History Quiz. However the answer was wrong as I checked it on Google Earth and the wood is Hawkshaw and the street Hawkshaw Terrace! I'll give up!
I still can't believe that folk married in Muirkirk church were not designated as of Douglas Parish in Lanarkshire when registered in Muirkirk. My ancestors marriage record
Old Parish Records Marriage Muirkirk
Robert McKarney son to George McKartney in Haxehead and Betty Matthison daughter to John Matthison herd in Mid Wellwood gave in their names and were proclaimed in order to marriage upon the 26th June and married 15th July 1785
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The plot thickens. According to the original birth record for William Muncie there is no mention on Hazelhead?
Old Parish Register Birth Douglas Lanarkshire
May 10th 1789
Muncie - William lawful son to John Muncie and Margaret McCartney in Douglas was born on the 6th: Inst; and baptised today
I take it then that it is pure conjecture that he must have been born at a place called Hazelhead which because there is a Hazelside must exist? Unless there is another birth or piece of information telling me other wise I will not be convinced that Haxehead (or as I erroneously called Maxehead) is in Muirkirk. Maybe we will never be able to locate it but as far as I am concerned the McCartneys home was in Muirkirk.
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Could be right robbie we will keep at it and hopefully get a breakthrough. I have thought that, Paterson, came from
a gran or grandfather on the mccartney side.
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So to make it clear, I believe that Haxehead was actaully in Muirkirk and not Douglas. Hazelhead (or as you thought that Hazelhead was actaully Haxehead) in Douglas has no historical reference to it in Douglas Parish and that only Haxehead is referred to in the Muirkirk parish records and is not referred to as in Douglas parish. I am working on Haxehead (which could be a place called Hawkshead?) and is a place in Muirkirk parish and may be in the Register of Saines or other historical doument pertaining to Muirkirk parish.
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Hello
I believe Thomas had a brother called James and this is the line I come from
Always happy to talk to other researchers
Steffieg6@hotmail.co.uk