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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Northumberland => Topic started by: Wilkinson on Tuesday 28 September 10 20:07 BST (UK)
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My maternal Grandmother was Isabella Johnson Ogle (1884). She was the youngest of 10 children - parents being Matthew(1844) and Catherine Ogle (nee Spence - 1845)). I have traced the Ogle line back to 1750 in considerable detail.
Granny's oldest brother was also called Matthew (1867). He married Catherine Dixon (1871) . They had 5 children - Thomas (abt 1891) - John (abt. 1892) - Matthew (abt.1893) - George D (abt. 1895) and Catherine (abt 1897). Unfortunately the evidence suggests that the infant George died in child birth. There is even more tragedy with probable death records for the father Matthew in 1899 and mother Catherine in 1903.
The 1911 Census tells us that the three orphaned Ogle boys are living with their mother's brother George Dixon and his family at 25 Wheatridge Row, Seaton Delaval. Thomas is 20 yrs., John D is 19 yrs. and Matthew is 17 years . All are working at the pit. Their sister Katharine (Catherine) now aged 13 years is living with their mothers sister Ellen and her husband Mark Dockerty at 54 Wheatridge Row.
My main interest is trying to find out what happened to the four Ogle children
I would also be interested in any information about my Granny's other Ogle siblings namely - Josephine (abt 1868), John (abt 1870), Margaret (abt 1872), Elizabeth (abt 1875), Thomas (abt 1875) , Jonathan (abt.1877), Rutherford (abt 1879) and Dixon (abt.1882)
Rob.
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Hi Rob
It will be easier to trace the orphaned Ogle children with their full birth details established, including middle names where applicable.
From FreeBMD:
Birth Mar qtr 1891: Thomas OGLE, Tynemouth
Birth Sep qtr 1892: John Dixon OGLE, Tynemouth
Birth Sep qtr 1893: Matthew OGLE, Tynemouth
Birth Dec qtr 1894: George Dixon OGLE, Tynemouth (and his death, Sep qtr 1895 Tynemouth aged 0)
Birth Dec qtr 1897: Catherine OGLE, Tynemouth
Anna :)
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John Dixon OGLE enlisted with the Northumberland Fusiliers in August 1914, but was discharged after a couple of months as "medically unfit - not likely to become an efficient soldier". His next of kin was given as his uncle George DIXON.
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My maternal Grandmother was Isabella Johnson Ogle (1884). She was the youngest of 10 children - parents being Matthew(1844) and Catherine Ogle (nee Spence - 1845)). I have traced the Ogle line back to 1750 in considerable detail.
I would also be interested in any information about my Granny's other Ogle siblings namely - Josephine (abt 1868), John (abt 1870), Margaret (abt 1872), Elizabeth (abt 1875), Thomas (abt 1875) , Jonathan (abt.1877), Rutherford (abt 1879) and Dixon (abt.1882)
I'm a bit confused about this part of the family. You say the parents were Matthew and Catherine - but the 1891 census shows these children as children of James Matthew OGLE and Mary ??? (1891 reference RG12/4236/69/1).
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Hi Anna,
Sorry about the error. Yes my Granny's parents were Matthew and Mary Ogle (nee Spence). Thanks for the information on birth dates and the Northumberland Fusiliers information. I wondered about whether any of them had enlisted.
I've just sussed out that Granny's brother John (1870) married yet another Catherine and had two children by 1903 called Rutherford and Lily! Also brother Dixon (1882) seems to have married an Elizabeth Ann and they have a child called May Elizabeth Ogle.
Thanks a lot for the help.
Rob.
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possible marriage for Catherine Ogle ,Tynemouth,J/F/M 1924 to Thomas Stephenson,
I can only find one child for this couple a son born 1932 Tynemouth
The Ogle children are with their uncle in 1901 ,George Dixon,
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Josephine Jane S Ogle married 26th May 1890 James Cunningham ,Earsdon,Tynemouth district ,
Children ,
Margaret 1895 ,
Robert 1897,
possible death 1951,
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Hi Radcliff,
Thanks a lot for that. Those marriage entries look very probable and are good leads. The middle initial S for Josephine is the Spence link and 2/3 of the children had the same middle initial. My Grans middle name of "Johnson" goes back another generation.
Thanks again for the info. Every little bit helps, adds to the picture and opens up further possible lines of research.
Rob.
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Hi Rob,
I too have been researching this branch of the Ogles. I'm also in contact with someone in Australia who has details of Ogles who emigrated there.
Josephine Jane Spence Cunningham (known as Jessie, nee Ogle) and her husband Jimmy Cunningham were my great grandparents. I have detailed history, some photos and other records from Ogle family bible.
Also Isabella Johnson Ogle married John Fryer. I have photo of Fryers with Jessie and Margaret Ogle (who married Isaac Nicholson).
Can you give me a contact email address.
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Hi Roundboy,
I'll PM you
Rob
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Wilkinson, , I have just discovered that I have two Bedlington ancestors, late 1700s, early 1800s, who have Ogle as a first name. I'd be interested to hear more about your connection with the family as I am trying to work out how my ancestors, Watsons, ended up having the name Ogle.
Interestingly, I also have an ancestor with Wilkinson as his first name.
Martin
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I don't know if this will be any relevance or interest for you Ogles:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ogle,_Northumberland
I only know about it because my parents moved to Ogle from Blyth in the ?1970s.
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Tricia, thank you for that link although I did find it yesterday morning. It has got me very intrigued, knowing that a mystery name in my ancestry relates to a village in an area that I will be visiting fairly soon. I thought I already had a busy schedule. Thank you again. I also found that there is an Ogle county in Illinois, named after a prominent soldier on the American side in the War of Independence.
Martin
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http://www.northtyneside.gov.uk/marriage-register-test.shtml?mode=details®ister=C-5%207&entrynumber=125
I see that Josephine Ogle was married at St Alban, Earsdon by the Church code. I should be able to look up the full marriage record at some point this week, if this might be helpful for your research?
Catherine does not appear to have married in the North Tyneside part of the Tynemouth registration district. Perhaps she may have married at Horton in Blyth?
You may need a RootsChatter who is going to Woodhorn to check this out for you.
Added: Silly me! I have just realised that Rob has not been around for a good while so the marriage lookup may not be relevant.
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Hi River Tyne Lass,
Thanks for thinking about helping but as you realised I have not been around for some time. I completed all my research on the Ogle family including the information I requested here some time ago. My Granny on my mother's side was the link to the Ogle's. Her brother Matthew married Catherine Dixon and they had 5 children. Sadly parents Matthew died in 1899 and Catherine in 1903 leaving Thomas. John, Matthew and Catherine. Another son George born1894 died in infancy in 1895. The children went to live with their Mother's brother George Dixon. Thomas was killed at Gallipoli in 1915. John enlisted but was medically unfit and discharged. He died locally in 1953. Matthew emigrated to the USA and died in Houston, Texas in1967. Catherine married a Thomas Stephenson in 1924.
They certainly had a rough time when they were kids and tragedy wasn't very far away from the family.
I've tracked the Ogles back to 1700. The Northumberland Ogles can be tracked back to Humphrey De Ogle a Cousin of William the Conqueror and even William himself. Humphrey was born before 1055 and died in 1125. For services too William he was given lands in Northumberland. Note the village of Ogle.
Anyway that's enough of me rabbiting on. Thanks for thinking of my original request.
Regards,
Rob
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Wilkinson, re my Reply #10, do the names Watson, Gilhespy or Bates appear in you research between 1750 and 1810?
Martin
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Hi Martin,
Sorry but none of those names crop up in any of my research.
Rob
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Thank you, Wilkinson, they were all relatives who had the name Ogle as either a first name or a middle name. I just hoped you might be able to give me some hint as to the connection. No reply needed.
Martin