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I am a direct line of the Wylde family from the Commandery and I am trying to get death and birth records and burial information as well as pictures of the tombstones.
Rev Charles Edmund Wylde (1732-1798)--->Robert Wylde (d 1741)--->Thomas Wylde Member of Parliament ( 1670-1740)---> Robert Wylde (b 1623)--->Robert Wylde (1595-1650)--->Thomas Wylde (not sure of his birth or death)--->Robert Wylde (1535-1607)
Any information on births, and marriages and deaths as well as place of burial would be gratefully appreciated. I do know Charles son Robert died over in Claverdon. His son Henry Ernest Wylde came to New York in 1867 and his daughter died giving birth to my grandfather.
I would love to find family to contact.
Thanks EVER so much. I am currently living in the Dallas area of Texas
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Is this the Commandery in Worcester as I expect that it would be on line - this is the only Commandery that rings a bell eith me as its a visitor attraction in Worcester City
Good Hunting
All the very best
Phil
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I forgot to say, its worth your whil writing to Worcester History Centre or the record Office at Worcester as they could give you a lot of info on the Commandery
All the very best
Phil
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Hi there Phil....I have written to them several times but no one has ever responded....will have to do some more research on my end. Thanks!
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Hi
I am not sure how far you have now got so if you can let me know what you have so far found I will see if I can add to it.
The Wylde family (Thomas) took over the Commandery in the 1540s and was a prominent family in the City.
Best Wishes
Pam
www.worcestershirepeopleandplaces.com
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I am just starting this research and really want to document things...from the net I have gathered a smidgen of info but need to document and get more dates. Thanks for all of your help. Are you related to this line at all?
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Hi Carole
I will see what I can find in my records more than likely the connection of the Wylde family to the English Civil War, have you managed to get copies of the baptism records or marriages?
Pam
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Carole
No I'm not connected to this line but I do research in the Worcestershire area for my web-site, the Wyldes was a very prominent family in Worcestershire in the mid 1550s right through and beyond the Civil War
Pam
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The more I have done this research, the more interesting family I find I have come from. One of the Wyldes married the granddaughter of Viscount Robert Tracy II....another direct line married the granddaughter of the Magistrate of Wedmore who lived in the Manor there. Every day I find out something more interesting in my history. My grandfather's mother came over from England and died from complications of his birth...so I have felt a certain love for England and would love to learn more.
Soon I want to take a trip over your way. Would love to get some advise as to places to stay. Will need a guide as well if you know of any.
Thanks once again.
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Hi Carole
Ive not checked this out yet but wonder if the family may be on Ancestry World tree as it was a promenent Worcester family - you never know how many others may be researching them
All the very best
Phil
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Hi carole
I just checked Ancestry putting in the surname Wylde with birth & death place as Worcester & all it came up with was 2 pages of Wyldes being researched at Droitwich WOR, I dont know if these would be any use to you
All the very best
Phil
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Hi Carole
Ive been paying about searching all the references I could think of for the Commardery but have found no reference to the name Wylde as yet & cant go on as my time on this library computer is almost up
All the very best
Phil
Weston-super-Mare
ps I was born in Worcester which makes it all the more madening that I cant find anything out
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Hi there...
I did find a woman named Pam who seems to know all about the Wylde from the Commandery in Worcester...
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Hi Carole/Phil
Here go's
Thomas Wylde rented the Commandery for a payment of £40 per year but in 1543 Thomas decided to purchase it and paid four hundred four score and eighteen pounds of good and lawful money of England (legal jargon). The Commandery was kept in the Wylde family for over 200 years.
The Wylds were a hitherto obscure family who had prospered in the cloth trade and became very wealthy (Thomas was the last of the family to describe himself as "clothier") he was a leading citizen in Worcester, a memeber of the twenty-four or upper chamber of the city council, who served as Baliff in 1547, High Baliff in 1549 and Alderman in 1548 and 1550. He died in 1559 or 1560 and was suceeded by his son Robert.
Robert Wylde seems to have been a rather unpleasant character, and though a member of the Forty-eight (the lower house of the city council) was frequently at odds with the civic authorities, Thomas Wylde had at his death left land at Pitchcroft valued at £5 per annum "for the erecting and establishing a free school in the city for the bringing up of youth in their ABC, maths and evensong, and other learning which should make them ready for the King's Grammer School.
On 21st June 1560 the Chamber Order Book of the city council records that the Baliffs, Alderman and Chamberlains were taking action against Robert Wylde.
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"for such land and other things as Thomas Wylde deceased hath given to the City by his testament towards the finding of the school" Robert seems to have paid up when faced with this threat, but in December 1562 he was disenrancised and expelled from the Forty-eight for quarrelsome and abusive behaviour, though he was immediately reinstated on payment of a fine of 10s.
Robert Wylde died in 1607 after having drawn up a will directing that he should be buried in the Cathedral and that there should be erected "a fair tomb for the same, with a learned epitaph upon it", the tomb was to cost at least £30.
This is on the south arcade of the nave, and bears effigies of Robert and his wife Margaret who had died the preious year. He was succeeded by his son Thomas who died in 1610 leaving a young family, and who was buried in the parish church of St Peter the Great.
Thomas Wylde ll's heirs was another Robert (the names Thomas and Robert were given alternatively to the eldest son for many generations - so you may find this helpful). His name appears on the list of the officers who surrendered the Royalist garrison of Worcester to the Parliamentary forces after the seige
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of the City in 1646. He died in 1650 and was also buried in the parish church of St Peter's. (His tomb slab was removed at the demolition of the church, and can be seen in the Commandery) His son Thomas inherited.
On 23rd August 1651 King Charles ll entered Worcester with his Scottish army, to await reinforcements from Wales. The Commandery was chosen as the Royalist Headquarters, and in it, on the evening of 29th August, with the Parlimentarian bombardment of Fort Royal and Sidbury Gate echoeing around the building, Charles Generals held their Council of War.
On 3rd September Cromwell's force atrttacked the Royalist army at Powick, driving it back into the City. Charles, and his Commander-in Chief, the Duke of Hamlton, led a counter-attack from the Sidbury Gate, up against the Parliamentarian forces on Red Hill and Perry Wood. The attack was unsuccessful and the Royalists were forced back into the City. The Commandery grounds saw fierce fighting, in the midst of which Hamilton had his thigh shattered by a musket ball, and was brought into the Commandery, where he lingered in agony iuntil he died on 9th September.
The defeated Charles had meantime escaped through Worcester to Ombersley, and thence to Boscobel House, Shropshire.
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After the Battle of Worcester (in which the Commandery seems to have survived undamaged) the Wylds continued to live the lives of country gentlemen, as far as this was possible. As the City grew the orientation of the house was changed, so that the main front faced towards Fort Royal Hill and the country beyond, with an avenue of trees leading to a new entrance from Wyldes Lane. The town ditch ran between the west range of the Commandery and the City Walls. This could be very offensive in hot weather; in June 1643 Robert Wylde ll complained of it to the City Council. Because of his proximity it seems this range was abandoned for living, and was let out as tenements and workshops.
Thomas Wylde lV was one of the two Members of Parliament of the City of Worcester from 1701-1727. Standing for Parliament was an expensive undertaking in the eighteenth century if the election was contested, and it is said that Thomas impoverised himself as a result. In 1695 his father, Robert Wylde lV, had inherited an estate in Glazeley, Shropshire, from a distant cousin, and it seems that the family spent increasing periods of time there, letting the Commandery.
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Among the church plate of St Peter the Great was a paten and almsdish bequeathed by Mrs Anna Dennis of the Commandery in 1721. She was Thomas Wylde's maternal aunt.
The financia position of the Wyldes cointinued to deteriorate; the Commandery was morgaged for £1500 and in 1764 the property was sold
I have put some photo's on my facebook if you click seach for Pam Hinks and then into my photos you will see a few photo's mI will try and get some more when I go out and add them on
Take Care
Pam
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Phil
Just noticed your interest's on the Saunders family, which branch?
Pam
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The cousin mentioned of leaving his inheritance to Robert Wylde lV would possibly have been Edmond Wyld Esq who was buried at Glaseley 7th Jan 1695.
Other dates you may already have :
Robert Wylde mar Caroline Georgiana Andrews 20 Nov 1817 at Wedmore, Somerset.
Charles Edmond Wylde b 1733 died 25 Jan 1798 Deuxhill married Mary Fewtrell 4 Sept 1765 at St Leonards, Bridgenorth, Shropshire. Charles B.C.L of Merton College, Oxford
Children of above:
Elizabeth Browne Wylde b 16 Oct 1770 Glaseley
Robert Wylde b 25 Mar 1774 "
John Fewtrell Wylde b 27 Aug 1776 "
Charles Edmond Wylde b 1778 died 7 Jul 1795 "
May be worth mentioning that Charles Fewtrell was Curate in same church 1795-1798-1807
1770 16 Oct Elizabeth Browne Wylde dau of Charles Edmond Wyld & Mary bap at Glaseley.
1774 25 Mar Robert son of Charles Edmund Wylde Rector & Mary bap at Glaseley
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1776 Aug 27 John Fewtrell Wylde son of Charles Edmond Wylde Rector & Mary bap at Glaseley.
1795 Jul 7 Charles Edmond Wylde JUNIOR bur
1795 Oct 2 Thomas Wylde Esq bur
1798 Jan 25 Charles Edmond Wylde Rector bur
Children of Robert and Caroline Georgina Andrews:
John Robert Wylde born 7 Sept 1819
Robert Tracey Wylde b 11 Dec 1820
Lancelot Andrews Wylde b 12 April 1822
Edward Wylde b 8 Sept 1823
Caroline Mary Wylde b 5 May 1825
Paul Wylde b 21 Aug 1826
Archibald Wylde b 30 April 1828
Sophia Fewtrell Wylde b 25 Nov 1829
Henry Ernest Wylde b 27 Apr 1832
Thomas Andrews Wylde b 3 Mar 1834
All at Claverdon, Warwick these will need to be checked out with parish records for confirmation
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Hey Pam...this is how my line went from my research...Carole---->Elizabeth Barrow Haring (Nurmi) (1921-2000)--->James Smith Haring III (1887-1965)--->Elizabeth Barrow Wylde (Haring) (1859-1887)--->Henry Ernest Wylde (who came over in 1867 and listed himself as a wine merchant) (1832-1881)---->Rev Robert Wylde (from second wife Caroline Andrews) (1774-1881)--->Rev Charles Edmund Wylde (1732-1798)--->Robert Wylde (1706-1741)--->Thomas Wylde (1670-1740)--->Robert Wylde (1623-)--->Robert Wylde (1595-1650)
Would you look over these dates in order for me to get the correct birth dates and birth places as well as death dates and death places....any information as to burial places and dates as well as marriages and dates and children would be appreciated SO much. YOU are the BEST best best!!!!
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PS Pam...Henry Ernest Wylde married Elizabeth Barrow who was the granddaughter of the Magistrate of Wedmore in Somerset where they owned and lived at the manor there. My mother was named after her.
Elizabeth Barrow (Wylde) (1826-1911)--->Charles Barrow (1811-1868)--->Magistrate John Barrow (1787-1853)
Henry Ernest Wylde and his wife are buried in Germonds Cemetery in New City, Rockland County, New York, USA.
Here is the link to findagrave.com
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=wylde&GSfn=henry&GSmn=ernest&GSbyrel=in&GSdyrel=in&GSob=n&GRid=39290548&df=all&
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How can I attach a photograph of the info that I do have?
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Morning Carole
Yes will go through dates, as for sending a photo thats why I placed them on my Facebook I could'nt send one -you could send attached to email my address is (*)
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Hi there Pam...
Apparently the moderator took your email address off ...do you know how to do the personal message system here so we can talk via your email after you give it to me.
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PS....I am planogirlintexas on facebook
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Hi Pam
That was a very interesting read that you put on these pages, I reckon there may well be a reference to the Wilde's in the Guild Hall as a lot of prominent citizens are mentioned there - one of my lot Charles james Holliday is on a plaque there as a former High Sherrif & also Bailif but Ive not yet seen this plaque
All the very best
Phil
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Hi Phil
Thankyou, interesting family - with regards to your Charles James Holiday I will keep a look out for him what date line are we looking at ?
Next time I am in the Guildhall I will look to see if I can find him on the plaque, I went to meeting a couple of months ago and noticed the list of all the prominent past citizens together with several portraits.
How the the Pier opening go?
Pam
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Hi Pam
Charles James Holliday was high sherrif of Worcester about 1926 (I cant remember the exact date as my records are at home & Im in my local library), He is mentioned in a list of sherrifs in a book at the History Centre - they also have a picture of him on file.
Regarding the Wylde family, I found a web site last Weds about the commandery & there is an article about the Wylde family on the main page -I downloaded this but didnt get time to write down the sites address
All the very best
Phil
ps if you want the info I downloaded get in touch with me at philheeks[at]yahoo[dot]co[dot]uk & I will e mail it to you as an attachment
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Hi Carole
The booklet/paper you need to read is called “Wylde of Worcestershire” by the Rev. Llewellyn Bullock BA of Rugby, Warwickshire published in 1909.
The LDS Library has a copy 929.242 A1 no. 139. Book Storage 0243357, although the LDS website doesn’t specify that books will be loaned, it would be worthwhile checking at one of the Dallas Family History Centres.
I will send you some info from the booklet off list. The Rev Bullock gives details of monumental inscriptions that you wanted. He also makes clear how Robert Wylde the 3rd was succeeded by his father's brother, another Robert Wylde the 4th who was your ancestor. The uncle married his nephew's wife's sister too!!
HTH
Nemo
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Hi there Allllll......
I am back to the Wylde family once again in order to make a family tree from Simon Wylde...circa 1500s down. Back to the heradry books and with all of your help I will be able to trace the family forward. Thanks once again ONE and all for all of your help!
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Well, I am indeed Simon Wylde, from Bristol .. but I assure you I was not born in 1500 ..
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Hi Carole
I am interested in the Andrews family, what info do you have on Caroline Georgina Andrews family ? I know that her parents were Major John Andrews (of the North Hants Militia) and mother Jane I found Jane's death at Houghton in 1823 and I beleive that John died in 1839 at Weyhill. My husband's line goes back to Augusta Andrews who was a sister to your Caroline as when Caroline married it was in the newspaper and she was the daughter of Major John Andrews.
Michelle
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Hello all...
I have not been on rootschat for some time...
Shelly send me your email address and I will send you an invitation to ancestry.com family tree of mine...are you here in the US?
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Hi, I am new to this site so can you tell me how to send a private message. I see from an earlier post that I have to have 3 post before I am able to sends a PM, so I will send you another one now as well.
Michelle
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Hi, I am in Australia and our line is through Caroline Andrew's sister Augusta who married John Butt at Houghton Hampshire. They came to Australia in 1856.
Cheers
Michelle
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Hi There
Have you received my PM's ?. I now know that Martha Andrews died 17 Feb 1879 and she was living with Sarah the daughter of Charlotte Maria. Shara Barrow had married a William Golding in 1844. I also know that a Mr H Andrews second son of Major Andrews married a Miss Weston in 1814 at Bath as it was in the newspaper. Augusta Andrews belongs to my husbands mother's side of the family and on her death certificate it states that her father was Major John Andrews and mother Jane.
Looking forward to hearing from you.
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Hi there Shelly...
I have quite a few children but did not have Augustus...I will work on this line this week and get a family sheet back to you! I am excited to have found a cousin....
Been busy morn to night helping different folks with all of their family trees...will go back to that branch of mine and get busy...
You will be hearing from me soon!!!!
Looking forward to it...so SO much. Thanks EVER so much
Carole from Dallas
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Tonight I ordered the death certificate of John Andrews who died in July of 1839 at Weyhill he was a Major in the north Hampshire Militia, this info came from the newspaper. I will let you know what is on it when it arrives.
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Thanks so much....this is going to be an exciting search...yes indeed!
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hi carole my name is james wild, i live in Worcester England, can you reply to me when you can i can help you :)
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I am a direct line of the Wylde family from the Commandery and I am trying to get death and birth records and burial information as well as pictures of the tombstones.
Rev Charles Edmund Wylde (1732-1798)--->Robert Wylde (d 1741)--->Thomas Wylde Member of Parliament ( 1670-1740)---> Robert Wylde (b 1623)--->Robert Wylde (1595-1650)--->Thomas Wylde (not sure of his birth or death)--->Robert Wylde (1535-1607)
Any information on births, and marriages and deaths as well as place of burial would be gratefully appreciated. I do know Charles son Robert died over in Claverdon. His son Henry Ernest Wylde
came to New York in 1867 and his daughter died giving birth to my grandfather.
I would love to find family to contact.
Thanks EVER so much. I am currently living in the Dallas area of Texas
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I descend from a branch of this family.
John Wylde, Gentleman, of Astwood and Dodderhill, Worcestershire had a daughter Frances who married Rev Richard Vernon of Hanbury, Worcestershire sometime pre 1588.
John gives the same arms as the ones used by the Wyldes of the Commandery and Astwood.
Its not certain whether he was a brother of Thomas Wylde who died 1559 or whether he was a nephew of the said Thomas.