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Just a small query regarding the National Probate Calendar 1861-1941 if anyone can help please.
On the left of the index there is the deceased name and directly beneath that it says Personal Estate and an amount in pounds.
What I am asking does is mean the personal estate plus the monetary amount or is it just the monetary amount?
Thank you for any help.
Ewan
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Hi :)
I believe that it means the Personal Estate was the value of the amount in £'s
Daisy Loo
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As a general rule, prior to 1898 it refers to just the personal estate. From the 1st. January 1898 EFFECTS refers to both real estate and personal estate.
Jebber
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Thanks Daisly Loo and Jebber for your replies.
So have I got this correct? Personal Estate £300 in 1886 would mean that the deceased belongings, personal possessions would amount to £300 and that is what would be left in the will.
Ewan
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ah...now...this is where I come unstuck!
My ancestor left a will, which stated Gross vaule of Personal Estate £254:4:0, yet the will went on to leave close on 80 houses that he had built, plus workshops/yards/building etc in Ipswich - so I couldn't quite get my head round that. This will was dated 1884.
then another: referred to Gross value of estate: £722:0:0 and net value of personal Estate: Nil ! (1927) - yet the will went on to detail property and "ready money" (cash?), and was a will belonging to a spinster, whose occupation was a dressmaker, working from home.
I haven't yet managed to find answers that make sense to me! ;D ::)
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Hi
Once a person dies the bills have to be paid - any debts, the costs of the funeral and the 'Death Duties' now called 'inheritance tax' would come out of 'ready cash' if possible.
The Death Duty Registers held at The National Archives 1796-1903
...'show what happened to someone's personal estate (not freehold) after death; and what it was actually worth, excluding debts and expenses'.
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/RdLeaflet.asp?sLeafletID=107
Over the years various laws have changed on the amount of death duties collected and who has to pay them.
The 1897 Land Transfer Act (came into force 1st January 1898) seems to be the law that changed the probate index
http://www.rootschat.com/links/09ym/
scroll down to Death Duties
Further information from a law book written in 1899 on death duties and paying debts
http://www.pbenyon1.plus.com/Shilling_Law/Executors_etc.html#Death Duties
Regards
Valda
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Thank you for those links Valda and Daisy Loo for your experiences, I think I will ::) send off for one, at the moment I have the dad's and the daugter's will details, so will ::) make a decision.
Ewan
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Please can somebody post the Probate details of E. E. Kirtland ?
d. 25 11 1968 • Winkfield Row, Berkshire.
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https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/Calendar?surname=Kirtland&yearOfDeath=1969&page=1#calendar
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Thanks for that link Mckha489, I could not find it and thought membership of a database was necessary.
Does anyone know when the probate calender is due to be updated to include deaths of 1985 ?
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Have you not heard of the Find a Will website?
https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/#wills
Years covered are 1858 to present day. Not everyone will appear as some people did not make a will or for whatever reason do not appear on the list.
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thanks Girl Guide.
In answer to your question, I thought that I had seen something about finding probate in the past but that a sub was necessary.
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You are probably thinking of Ancestry who have the Probate Calendar.
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Nifty1
Thanks for that link Mckha489, I could not find it and thought membership of a database was necessary.
Does anyone know when the probate calender is due to be updated to include deaths of 1985 ?
You should always try looking at the years following the death - she is on there I will leave you to look.
The probate calendar on the government website goes to the present day, it is regularly updated
https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/
Are you checking under the right years as per attached